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mtykim
09-24-2009, 8:25 PM
i was thinking about buying an SVT-40 but got to worrying about that piece attached to the muzzle. i just assumed it was a muzzle brake but when i looked it up in the parts book, it is actually called a "muzzle extension/flash hider".

between the flash hider and the detachable magazine, is the rifle considered a banned assault rifle?

Sampachi
09-24-2009, 8:30 PM
They sell them at City Arms on the coast. I'm not sure if they altered their muzzle brakes. This topic seems to come up every now and then...

jamesob
09-24-2009, 9:07 PM
svt40's have muzzle breaks and not f/h's. and yes they are legal.

glennsche
09-24-2009, 9:11 PM
i had one mailed to my house with my C&R a few months back. they're good to go here. no pistol grip. so, yeah, its legal. :)

here, this is what i got delivered to my house:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/CIMG1229.jpg

SDgarrick
09-24-2009, 9:14 PM
^^^

How's it shoot?!

Palimino Stripe
09-24-2009, 9:14 PM
My SVT-40 would also agree they're fine in CA...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Palimino444/Random%20Gun%20Pics/SVT40Blurred.jpg

The real challange is finding one that won't cost you an arm and a leg...

-Palimino :D

Gunaria
09-24-2009, 9:15 PM
Yes it is.

jamesob
09-24-2009, 9:17 PM
My SVT-40 would also agree they're fine in CA...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Palimino444/Random%20Gun%20Pics/SVT40Blurred.jpg

The real challange is finding one that won't cost you an arm and a leg...

-Palimino :D

dude, what happened to your face?:D

Gunaria
09-24-2009, 9:19 PM
Face lift.

wilit
09-24-2009, 9:21 PM
Man, I really want an SVT. :(

Fate
09-24-2009, 9:28 PM
http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_91/221_146/fatesvt40.jpg

Love my SVT40!

Napalm Bulldog
09-24-2009, 10:05 PM
How much do they normally cost or where is a good place to get one? thanks.

Palimino Stripe
09-24-2009, 10:19 PM
dude, what happened to your face?:D

My identity must be kept secret. For you see- I'm in the top secret Hawaiian militia stationed in CA. I shouldn't have taken that pic in uniform :D...

-Palimino

emcon5
09-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Do any of the normal C&R vendors carry them? I don't recall seeing any.

Noonanda
09-25-2009, 5:11 AM
gunbroker is the only place you will find one, they are going between 750 - 1150. you should be able to find a nice one for around 850-950
here is a bad pic of mine
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/P4050014.jpg

glennsche
09-25-2009, 6:02 AM
^^^

How's it shoot?!

me likey. 7.62x54r semi is fun. :) its a good shooter and its fun coz its so damn big.

its kinda unergonomic tho, and its a real pain to clean. i can see why they took em out of service after a few years.

Noonanda
09-25-2009, 1:45 PM
me likey. 7.62x54r semi is fun. :) its a good shooter and its fun coz its so damn big.

its kinda unergonomic tho, and its a real pain to clean. i can see why they took em out of service after a few years.

what is unergonomic about it? as far as cleaning, you get the hang of it really quick

glennsche
09-25-2009, 2:21 PM
what is unergonomic about it? as far as cleaning, you get the hang of it really quick

i just find it unwieldy compared to the sks or the boltactions i like to shoot; the clip is kind of a pain.

cleaning this particular rifle is really hard for some reason; the front band is on super tight and needs to be rubber malleted off (yes i take off the cleaning rod). cleaning the sks or the vz58 is a snap by comparison. taking off the handguard to get to the gas system just kinda sucks. :)

dont get me wrong, i still love the gun!

EBR Works
09-25-2009, 2:35 PM
i just find it unwieldy compared to the sks or the boltactions i like to shoot; the clip is kind of a pain.

cleaning this particular rifle is really hard for some reason; the front band is on super tight and needs to be rubber malleted off (yes i take off the cleaning rod). cleaning the sks or the vz58 is a snap by comparison. taking off the handguard to get to the gas system just kinda sucks. :)

dont get me wrong, i still love the gun!

Sounds like you need to downgrade to a 91/30, comrade. ;)

But seriously, they are a bit complex with tiny parts to potentially lose. That's why they were a complete and utter failure when initially issued to the Russian army.

A pic of mine:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/impactco/SVT-40.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/impactco/mounted.jpg

AJAX22
09-25-2009, 2:42 PM
I love the SVT40.... for some reason I shoot them better than any other rifle I've ever used... don't know why, just works for me. I don't own one however.... I probably should get one one of these days.

glennsche
09-25-2009, 2:57 PM
Sounds like you need to downgrade to a 91/30, comrade. ;)

But seriously, they are a bit complex with tiny parts to potentially lose. That's why they were a complete and utter failure when initially issued to the Russian army.

A pic of mine:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/impactco/SVT-40.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/impactco/mounted.jpg


i love that DEFEND MOSCOW poster. I've got one of those too!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/CIMG1409.jpg

grossekatz
09-25-2009, 11:16 PM
I have one of the later avt styled ones. It is blast to shoot. The only problem with it is it eats up all my 54r before I take out the mosins.

SJgunguy24
09-26-2009, 12:15 AM
i love that DEFEND MOSCOW poster. I've got one of those too!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/glennsche/CIMG1409.jpg

No AK

FAIL


:p

Nice collection, i've wanted to pick up a SVT for a while. When I have the
cash I can't find one anywhere. I gotta get up to Reno.

EBR Works
09-26-2009, 7:12 AM
Video of an AVT-40 in action for those that have not seen it. IIRC, this guy lives in Mongolia: :eek:

lmN5Q2qDOmE

RudyN
09-26-2009, 2:31 PM
Several of the guys in WWII russian reenacting have SVT-40s and they like them. I am thinking of getting one someday. Right now I have four 91/30s, a M44 and a M38 so that should keep me happy for a while.

Saigon1965
09-26-2009, 4:22 PM
Everyone should have one or two -


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c240/saigon1965/CurioRelics/IMG_2110.jpg

glennsche
09-26-2009, 7:25 PM
Everyone should have one or two -


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c240/saigon1965/CurioRelics/IMG_2110.jpg

this is perfect, you've got one of each stock type.

my gf was asking me once after i got my 8th or so rifle "why do you have to keep getting new ones?"

i answered with "why do you have to keep getting new shoes?"

she laughed and said "aaaah! I see! i get it now! have fun with the collecting then."

glennsche
09-26-2009, 7:26 PM
No AK

FAIL

:p

Nice collection, i've wanted to pick up a SVT for a while. When I have the
cash I can't find one anywhere. I gotta get up to Reno.

heh! the vz58 is close enough!

i actually dont really care for semis and the whole evil black gun / assaulty type weapons. i like the bolt actions. but i did of course have to get one to have an example in the series. :)

saki302
09-27-2009, 1:45 AM
If you shoot a lot of corrosive ammo (all the cheap stuff is), you may want to invest in a stainless gas piston and piston cup. They sell new recoil springs too. A guy off the PPSH41 forums makes and sells them, his name is Bill Berg, I think...

-Dave

Xerxes
09-27-2009, 9:08 AM
i was thinking about buying an SVT-40 but got to worrying about that piece attached to the muzzle. i just assumed it was a muzzle brake but when i looked it up in the parts book, it is actually called a "muzzle extension/flash hider".

between the flash hider and the detachable magazine, is the rifle considered a banned assault rifle?


The Russians did not have flash hiders during WWII. They refer to it as a muzzle break.

I remember a thread by Gene that questioned whether you would get away with this argument or not as ti looks like a flash suppressor and a lot of folks now refer to it as such.

I don't know of any prosecutions for SVT ownership because of this.

There have been several on the M14 semi-automatic though where it had the flash suppressor installed OEM but not registered as an AW. Not sure if anyone was convicted but several copped a deal and/or gave up the rifle.

More recently many in LE have argued the flash suppressor section is unenforceable due to what is a flash suppressor versus muzzle brake versus flash hider.

Seems there are a lot of folks here that have one without a concern.

If you want to be extra safe, then put on a bolt on contraption over the magazine release.

These rifles were made to be feed from stripper clips and not magazines so you don't loose any capabilities doing such. Typically they were issued with just one or two magazines anyways so you are not really loosing a feature since due to $100 magazines I doubt you will have more than one or two of these suckers.

saki302
09-30-2009, 2:32 AM
Notice most flash hiders have an exit hole considerably larger than the bore diameter?

The SVT40 does not- looks very much like an AK muzzle brake, or Hakim brake to me. If the exit hole is close to bore diameter, the gases will be forced up, reducing recoil and enhancing flash & noise!

-Dave

Rob454
09-30-2009, 4:24 AM
Looks like a SKS on steoroids. Whats the big deal about them? Rare or super accurate or ??? Sorry Ive seen a few and shot one but I don't know much about them. Chambered for 7.62x54? That's gotta kick like a freaking mule.

saki302
10-10-2009, 9:51 PM
Rarer WW2 rifle. Historical value, FUN to shoot. The recoil is actually quite light for the caliber- a fellow at Burro was kind enough to let me fire off a mag a few years ago.

-Dave