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Cal-Irish
09-23-2009, 11:01 PM
Searched and couldn't find an MOA rating for the ammo. But if the shooter were doing their part. What would 55gr hp wolf ammo be grouping at 50 yards? Anyone got pics to do the talking?

technique
09-23-2009, 11:06 PM
No pics but (TAG)...I have to sight in my rifle this weekend. I shoot 62gr Wolf, not what your looking for but I'll get you some pics just the same...W/irons and W/ACOG.

2in at 50 is Average...expect a flyer or two.

Cal-Irish
09-23-2009, 11:14 PM
Thanks. I was grouping fairly okay at 50 and hitting steel was a cinch. Next time I;m going to concentrate and see what happens with an AR running irons.

heres some interesting pics from another site. This is with a bolt action gun. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/53557d05.jpg

technique
09-23-2009, 11:17 PM
believe it or not 62gr is cheaper than 55gr.

During the huge "rush" I paid $174.99 for 500rnds 62gr.

55gr was somewhere in the neighborhood of $200-$250 depending on bullet type.

Cal-Irish
09-23-2009, 11:19 PM
Prices of wolf certainly jumped around. I think the 500rds of 55gr HP I picked up were the same price you paid, but we ordered 1k rounds.

HappyG
09-23-2009, 11:20 PM
Why not test MOA at 100yds instead of 50? That's almost too close for a rifle round IMO.

Cal-Irish
09-23-2009, 11:36 PM
If anything 50yds should be a little easier to group, since eyesight and such come more into play at 50yds+..since M.O.A is proportional to distance you get a perfectly good idea at whatever distance you're shooting.

Richie Caketown
09-24-2009, 12:43 AM
my shots were 2 to 2.5in groups at 100yrds with 62gr on a Stag 2H

Acorn556
09-24-2009, 4:04 AM
Shoot more than three rounds and see what you group. Try doing 5 or 10 round groups to get a better idea. 3 round groups really don't tell much.

FeuerFrei
09-24-2009, 7:38 AM
I used to believe all the FUD regarding Wolf ammo until I tried it myself.
The stuff works and is combat accurate.
I don't know about you but when I want good accuracy I use good quality brass cased ammo from an American ammo maker.
Otherwise Wolf ammo in 556,45 and 9mm keep my guns banging away with frequency.
Just try a sample for yourself and keep chamber brushed clean and BCG lubed.

unamused
09-24-2009, 7:46 AM
^^ amen to that!!

wolf lets me shoot more (and clean more). Obviously if i was entering a competition, i would probably use some higher quality stuff but everytime ive pulled the trigger, it goes bang.

unamused
09-24-2009, 9:35 AM
I've always felt the attraction of Wolf ammo was not the accuracy, which it may or may not have, but rather the spectacle of the dirt, the smoke, and the smell, like burning yak hair. Use Wolf when you are in the mood to thoroughly clean your guns afterward. You'll feel good swabbing out all the black gunk.

hahaha... smoke you say?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/3935762100_2a4a62ccb0_b.jpg

you can kinda see it

Argonaut
09-24-2009, 10:13 AM
I think my Factory Hbar's are more accurate than the clones......I can cover most 100 yard groups with a dime and for sure a nickel with Wolf ammo.

IsaacGlass
09-24-2009, 10:25 AM
I've always felt the attraction of Wolf ammo was not the accuracy, which it may or may not have, but rather the spectacle of the dirt, the smoke, and the smell, like burning yak hair. Use Wolf when you are in the mood to thoroughly clean your guns afterward. You'll feel good swabbing out all the black gunk.

You actually smell burnt yak hair? :eek:

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 10:27 AM
4 moa is to be expected with Wolf ammo.
That's about 2" at 50yds.

evollep3
09-24-2009, 10:32 AM
I used to believe all the FUD regarding Wolf ammo until I tried it myself.
The stuff works and is combat accurate.
I don't know about you but when I want good accuracy I use good quality brass cased ammo from an American ammo maker.
Otherwise Wolf ammo in 556,45 and 9mm keep my guns banging away with frequency.
Just try a sample for yourself and keep chamber brushed clean and BCG lubed.

we did about 2-2.5 with wolf as well last weekend i have some pics i will post up later tonight

Cal-Irish
09-24-2009, 12:57 PM
Good to hear from everyone. As for cleaning, Ive been pleasantly surprised. It shot cleaner than a mix of privi and Remington in my gun.

mif_slim
09-24-2009, 1:15 PM
Heres my grouping from the SU-16 at 100 yards:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/DSC05225-1.jpg

Thats the best I ever gotten with factory load.

Cal-Irish
09-24-2009, 1:27 PM
Heres my grouping from the SU-16 at 100 yards:


Thats the best I ever gotten with factory load.

Nice, any optic?

mif_slim
09-24-2009, 1:29 PM
Nice, any optic?

Yup. haha, cant do that on the SU with no optic. Its a Nikon.

Davidoff
09-24-2009, 2:26 PM
hahaha... smoke you say?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/3935762100_2a4a62ccb0_b.jpg

you can kinda see it

That's the 50yd range at YSA. I'll be there on Saturday, perhaps even on the same bench.

As far as the Wolf, in my experience 62gr .223 Wolf ammo from a 16" carbine with a 3-9x scope at 50yds will produce a 5rd group of around 2". I still need practice with the open sights, I get 5-6" 10rd groups with irons at the same distance.

Cal-Irish
09-24-2009, 2:56 PM
Wicked smoke pic

Cal-Irish
09-25-2009, 8:00 PM
New shooter, 10 shots with irons from bench @ 50yds.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs227.snc1/7427_274613450190_635955190_9063259_3707793_n.jpg

Cal-Irish
09-25-2009, 8:07 PM
I did 3 shots per mag then a single shot to work on my sight picture acquisition.

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
09-26-2009, 8:34 AM
You actually smell burnt yak hair? :eek:

No, it's actually burning Yak Dung....


:rofl2:

unamused
09-26-2009, 9:19 AM
That's the 50yd range at YSA. I'll be there on Saturday, perhaps even on the same bench.

As far as the Wolf, in my experience 62gr .223 Wolf ammo from a 16" carbine with a 3-9x scope at 50yds will produce a 5rd group of around 2". I still need practice with the open sights, I get 5-6" 10rd groups with irons at the same distance.

haha, you got that right! ive been wanting to check out sac valley but its just too far.

torsf
09-26-2009, 11:56 AM
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/torsf_calguns/img165.jpg

10 rounds of wolf @ 50 yards. 14.5 Noveske n4, 3x ACOG, and first time out with the SSA trigger. 2 inch target. This is probably one of my best wolf groups.

Linus
09-26-2009, 12:08 PM
10 rounds of wolf @ 50 yards. 14.5 Noveske n4, 3x ACOG, and first time out with the SSA trigger. 2 inch target. This is probably one of my best wolf groups.

That's a pretty Large group, what's the distance between the two farthest shots?

MontClaire
09-26-2009, 12:13 PM
I shoot 62 gr .223 wolf fmj out to 400 yards steel blinz target. Hit's every time but I was shooting a sig556. my other rifle is ar pof gas piston upper and it hits same target same distance with similar accuracy.

sammy
09-26-2009, 3:26 PM
With my AK and an 4moa Aimpoint I get golf ball size results. With a decent optic I am sure they would be better.

torsf
09-26-2009, 11:07 PM
That's a pretty Large group, what's the distance between the two farthest shots?

Rough guess - 3 or so inches?

CSACANNONEER
09-27-2009, 6:45 AM
Yup. haha, cant do that on the SU with no optic. Its a Nikon.

Maybe you can't but, optics don't really make the gun shoot any better so, someone, who is proficient with iron sights, could do that. Notice that I did say "iron" sights and not plastic ones. Anyway, if a gun is capable of shooting groups at a certain amount of precision, the optics are not the reason the gun is capable of that precision. Optics only act as a crutch to help the shooter get the most out of his barrel/ammo combo.

Cal-Irish
09-27-2009, 11:46 AM
Maybe you can't but, optics don't really make the gun shoot any better so, someone, who is proficient with iron sights, could do that. Notice that I did say "iron" sights and not plastic ones. Anyway, if a gun is capable of shooting groups at a certain amount of precision, the optics are not the reason the gun is capable of that precision. Optics only act as a crutch to help the shooter get the most out of his barrel/ammo combo.

A pretty well thought out crutch. I don't think anyone said optics will make the gun shoot better. But they can most certainly make the average shooter a better shot. When youre at 50-100 yards acquiring the same sight picture for 10 rounds is very difficult when you're trying to drive tacks with iron.

Now add in some big magnification and you can look at the same spot on the target each and every time. This takes a big variable out of the equation; user error . The rest then is the gun, barrel and ammo.

I find shooting with an optic