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ar15barrels
09-23-2009, 10:08 PM
If you are like most people that own some sort of heavy barreled target gun, you have probably never shot it past 600yds because that's all the local ranges offer.

Once a month, the California Precision Rifle Club runs a shoot north of los angeles where you can stretch your rifle out to 1000yds and beyond.
The main purpose of these shoots is to get people involved in precision rifle competetion.
We will show you what's required to hit as distance.
We will show you how to use your scope knobs and reticle the way they were meant to be used to adjust for elevation and to hold-off for windage.

Each shoot is a combination of a zero session, a dope gathering session and some practice match courses of fire.

Come on out Saturday March 27th for this month's shoot.

Full details are in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=278154

A view of the targets from the firing line:
http://ar15barrels.com/gfx/the-spot4.jpg

Shooters on the line at a past shoot:
http://ar15barrels.com/gfx/caprc-line.jpg

Cal-Irish
09-23-2009, 10:10 PM
That looks amazing. One day.

reidnez
09-23-2009, 10:12 PM
Man, I really want to get involved in this. Unfortunately, my only scoped rifle at the moment is a .22-250 and I don't see that reaching out past 500.

Time to invest in something with a bit longer legs.

technique
09-23-2009, 10:14 PM
Awesome shooting spot.

ar15barrels
09-23-2009, 10:29 PM
Awesome shooting spot.

We have a target out at 1200yds now too, but it's not in the picture...

DirtRacer151
09-23-2009, 10:33 PM
We have a target out at 1200yds now too, but it's not in the picture...

Oh im all over that one on Saturday for sure!!! :D:o

technique
09-23-2009, 10:35 PM
We have a target out at 1200yds now too, but it's not in the picture...

I assume you will have an unlucky n00b walking out there to put up targets.....



Or are you able to drive out there?

ar15barrels
09-23-2009, 10:40 PM
Oh im all over that one on Saturday for sure!!! :D:o

Better have 155's or 175's because 168's ain't going to cut it...

ar15barrels
09-23-2009, 10:41 PM
I assume you will have an unlucky n00b walking out there to put up targets.....



Or are you able to drive out there?

The road goes all the way to the 1200yd target.

Jpach
09-23-2009, 10:44 PM
I really gata head up there with yalls. I found a nice load for my .308 AR with the 178 AMAX, I just havent had time to shoot lately. Soon though. Soon.

Plus I gata get rid of my Leupy with the target dot reticle. Its awesome for being super precise but the reticle is so thin that its just impractical. Cant wait till I get a Nightforce

Requiem
09-23-2009, 10:44 PM
Man, wish this were at a norcal range. This would be my perfect chance once I got my 700 sps tactical

sorensen440
09-23-2009, 10:45 PM
I might make the trip in a month or so when I get my gear together

DirtRacer151
09-23-2009, 10:45 PM
Better have 155's or 175's because 168's ain't going to cut it...

ha! My bullet weights are the least of my concerns for this weekend! I'll be happy to make hits at 300 :p
If all goes will though i would really like to try some of those 155s for next months shoot. They sound promising!

Should be fun learning though... i can't wait. All you guys wanting to get in to this come on out. I have room for one more in my truck from the IE area

BillyGoatMachine
09-23-2009, 11:25 PM
If it wasn't a 11 hour drive for me, I'd be there for sure. That would be perfect for my SRS Lapua mag.

oops
09-24-2009, 12:14 AM
Better have 155's or 175's because 168's ain't going to cut it...



why won't 168's make it.. sorry but those are what I have been using and would like to know what the best weights are

ocabj
09-24-2009, 7:10 AM
168s go subsonic before 1000 yards and become unstable. I've seen it personally while pulling the target for someone shooting .308 with 168s at 1000 yards. Maybe 7 out of 10 shots were just 'lost' didn't make it on the 10'x10' target board. The three that did make it were keyholes.

JTROKS
09-24-2009, 7:41 AM
Oh! How I wish we have something like this near where I live. This is not a standard day at the range, this is like a fun picnic and a chance to meet some really cool and nice folks with same interest. There's a lot of learning to absorb too, kind of stuff you learn in the military and special weapons classes.

Darklyte27
09-24-2009, 7:48 AM
fun stuff too bad too far

Jpach
09-24-2009, 3:22 PM
Will all 168s perform like the SMK and start to tumble before 1K? What about the noslers, normas, etc?

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 3:31 PM
Will all 168s perform like the SMK and start to tumble before 1K? What about the noslers, normas, etc?

I'm betting that all 168gr hollowpoints will perform similarly.
Now a plastic tipped bullet might do better if it has a higher BC.
The issue will still be getting it to have enough velocity to make it to 1K because the plastic tip adds length to the bullet.
The length eats up usable case capacity which reduces powder charges and velocities...

Bug Splat
09-24-2009, 3:34 PM
Man, I wish I was closer. My 6.5x284 is getting mad at me for not stretching her out. :(

When is next months shoot? Maybe I can plan a business trip down there at the same time.

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 3:37 PM
Man, I wish I was closer. My 6.5x284 is getting mad at me for not stretching her out. :(

When is next months shoot?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=162630

Sunday October 25th.

evollep3
09-24-2009, 3:47 PM
Oh! How I wish we have something like this near where I live. This is not a standard day at the range, this is like a fun picnic and a chance to meet some really cool and nice folks with same interest. There's a lot of learning to absorb too, kind of stuff you learn in the military and special weapons classes.
+1 :(

Jpach
09-24-2009, 3:55 PM
I'm betting that all 168gr hollowpoints will perform similarly.
Now a plastic tipped bullet might do better if it has a higher BC.
The issue will still be getting it to have enough velocity to make it to 1K because the plastic tip adds length to the bullet.
The length eats up usable case capacity which reduces powder charges and velocities...

How fast does one have to drive a 168 AMAX to get to 1k reliably? I have the 178 AMAX behind 44.0gr of IMR 4064 going at least 2650 from my .308 AR. Does it seem plausable to launch a 168 AMAX fast enough for 1k? I plan on using the 178s anyways but Im just curious about the 168s.

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 3:57 PM
Man, wish this were at a norcal range. This would be my perfect chance once I got my 700 sps tactical

If it wasn't a 11 hour drive for me, I'd be there for sure. That would be perfect for my SRS Lapua mag.

Oh! How I wish we have something like this near where I live.

fun stuff too bad too far

+1 :(

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=142733
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=193256

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 3:59 PM
How fast does one have to drive a 168 AMAX to get to 1k reliably?

Probably around 2800 would do it.

civilsnake
09-24-2009, 4:30 PM
I don't own a precision rifle (yet) and almost want to go anyway just to learn! Unfortunately, my Saturday is already spoken for.

swerv512
09-24-2009, 4:40 PM
Probably around 2800 would do it.

talk about pushin the powder!
i'll be at the range with the chrono working my 175 SMKs. i'm at 2740 fps with no pressure signs... i'm looking for 2800. nice place, wish it were closer...

shooting4life
09-24-2009, 4:41 PM
That looks like a lot of fun

Jpach
09-24-2009, 5:03 PM
talk about pushin the powder!
i'll be at the range with the chrono working my 175 SMKs. i'm at 2740 fps with no pressure signs... i'm looking for 2800. nice place, wish it were closer...

Dude, that is one sexy 175 SMK velocity you got there. What kind of setup you running? And what/how much powder, brass, primers?

Jpach
09-24-2009, 5:04 PM
Probably around 2800 would do it.

Hmm. Seems doable. I think Ill just make my 178s fly a little bit faster

swerv512
09-24-2009, 5:10 PM
Dude, that is one sexy 175 SMK velocity you got there. What kind of setup you running? And what/how much powder, brass, primers?

R700 (5R :rolleyes:)..
BR-2s, R-P (Remmy) brass, IMR 4064 (44.6gr)- it was a warm day (78F)

Sheepdog1968
09-24-2009, 5:18 PM
Can my Rem 700 in 308 reach out that far?

supersonic
09-24-2009, 5:19 PM
http://ar15barrels.com/gfx/the-spot4.jpg

Randall-
That's an incredible place you've got to shoot LRP down there! How close is it to your place? Can you do load development, i.e. load up 50 rds., go test them; go back home; choose another caliber/weapon system & load some more; then head back out? That would be the ultimate.

swerv512
09-24-2009, 5:20 PM
Can my Rem 700 in 308 reach out that far?

if you mean with precision- with the right bullet and pushing the right speed, of course!

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 5:22 PM
Can my Rem 700 in 308 reach out that far?

Yes.
That's what many of us use.

ar15barrels
09-24-2009, 5:24 PM
Randall-
That's an incredible place you've got to shoot LRP down there! How close is it to your place? Can you do load development, i.e. load up 50 rds., go test them; go back home; choose another caliber/weapon system & load some more; then head back out? That would be the ultimate.

It's almost 100 miles from my place.
This weekend I will be doing load development there.
I'm just bringing primed cases, bullets and a powder measure with me.
I'll work up and test the load right there.

UBFRAGD
09-24-2009, 7:31 PM
Yeah, that range picture is looking good.....as my desktop!!!

ocabj
09-24-2009, 8:00 PM
How fast does one have to drive a 168 AMAX to get to 1k reliably? I have the 178 AMAX behind 44.0gr of IMR 4064 going at least 2650 from my .308 AR. Does it seem plausable to launch a 168 AMAX fast enough for 1k? I plan on using the 178s anyways but Im just curious about the 168s.

With bullets of similar form factor in the same cartridge, the heavier bullet moving slower will generally perform better at longer range than a lighter faster bullet.

Trying to force a lighter bullet to exit the muzzle really fast often results in overpressure, and it's usually safer to shoot the heavier bullet at the slower muzzle velocity.

Yes, Palma shooters are shooting 155gr to 1000 yards with 2950-3000fps muzzle velocity, but they often have 30" barrels when help to generate that speed at safe pressures.

With a 168gr A-Max, using the Litz BC in JBM, you'd have to shoot at least 2800fps muzzle velocity to maintain bare minimum supersonic flight to 1000 yards. Even then, you'd probably want 2850fps to account for variances. That said, is 2850fps with a 168gr going to be safe in the AR10?

supersonic
09-24-2009, 11:08 PM
It's almost 100 miles from my place.
This weekend I will be doing load development there.
I'm just bringing primed cases, bullets and a powder measure with me.
I'll work up and test the load right there.

Ah, I see. I bought a LEE hand press for that very reason. I'll save you a post: I know you think LEE stuff blows *****.:p

Fjold
09-25-2009, 7:26 AM
Since the spot is at highter elevation the 168's might work fine.

At 4,000 feet elevation the 168s need less than 2,500 fps at the muzzle to remain supersonic at 1,000 yards. At 6,000 feet elevation they need less than 2,200 fps at the muzzle.

Joe788
09-25-2009, 9:40 AM
Wicked shooting spot! If only you could get some unsuspecting Taliban to stroll down that road....

ar15barrels
09-25-2009, 9:45 AM
Wicked shooting spot! If only you could get some unsuspecting Taliban to stroll down that road....

We are working on building our own mover...

BJ9pZCuaYhE

nrakid88
09-25-2009, 9:50 AM
We are working on building our own mover...

BJ9pZCuaYhE

OMG. That is awesome. i will be getting reloading supplies in a few months... so Hopefully I can try this out sometime. Will a AR-10 with a 20 inch barrel be able to make it to 1000 yards with safe loads? I am guessing the heavier bullets would be best... Anyone got suggestions to send me in the right direction?

ar15barrels
09-25-2009, 9:53 AM
Anyone got suggestions to send me in the right direction?

Get a bolt gun. ;)

nrakid88
09-25-2009, 9:54 AM
Haha, okay thanks randall. I guess I will stick with my 800 yard max.

WeekendWarrior
09-25-2009, 10:08 AM
WWRTW

swerv512
09-25-2009, 2:54 PM
nice piece of shooting randall. i definitely need to get off the bench more!!

kwest10
09-25-2009, 3:01 PM
will a 223 be able to reach? I have a remi 700 spsv that I would love to take to the max capability.

NRAhighpowershooter
09-25-2009, 3:12 PM
will a 223 be able to reach? I have a remi 700 spsv that I would love to take to the max capability.

If your barrel is a 1-8" and you shoot 80gr SMK's AND you can get them to run about 2800fps.. then.. yes... your .223 will work....

Requiem
09-25-2009, 5:19 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=142733
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=193256

Yeah, I will probably eventually do this. But free (or a $20 donation) beats $60. :(

LS6M
09-25-2009, 7:36 PM
i would love to be apart of this once i get my rifle from edm :D

ar15barrels
09-25-2009, 8:48 PM
i would love to be apart of this once i get my rifle from edm :D

Nothing over 338 lapua. ;)

LS6M
09-26-2009, 7:13 PM
Nothing over 338 lapua. ;)


oh damn :( know of any other local places to learn to shoot with a 50cal?

supermario
09-26-2009, 7:28 PM
I would love to learn some precision shooting skills but I only have a
Rem 700 30-06 with a cheap Tasco scope and no target knobs or bells and whistles on my 700. Do you need to have precisiion shooting skills to go out with you guys? Its my hunting rifle and I know how to shoot but just with my basic rifle and farthest I have shot is 300yards? Should i learn a little then go out to with you guys?

nav195
09-26-2009, 8:13 PM
Someone better post some pics of today

swerv512
09-26-2009, 9:00 PM
Someone better post some pics of today

nevermind....
duh.

p0verty
09-28-2009, 8:40 AM
nevermind....
duh.

Why duh? I don't understand why no pics. Am I just dense?

ar15barrels
09-28-2009, 8:44 AM
Why duh? I don't understand why no pics. Am I just dense?

Pics are up in the linked thread.
This thread was just to get people to come over and check out the thread in the CaPRC subforum.

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 6:43 PM
There's a new announcement thread for this month's shoot...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=230507

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 6:46 PM
Man, I really want to get involved in this. Unfortunately, my only scoped rifle at the moment is a .22-250 and I don't see that reaching out past 500.

I shot my new 223 build out to 1000 today.
The wind really pushed it around, but it's possible to hit out that far with good bullets.

Fjold
10-11-2009, 7:06 PM
I shot my new 223 build out to 1000 today.
The wind really pushed it around, but it's possible to hit out that far with good bullets.

He can't use good bullets. The 22.250 comes with a 1:14" twist barrel.

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 7:22 PM
If your barrel is a 1-8" and you shoot 80gr SMK's AND you can get them to run about 2800fps.. then.. yes... your .223 will work....

My 75gr amax's were making it to 1K and they were going 2800fps.

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 7:23 PM
He can't use good bullets. The 22.250 comes with a 1:14" twist barrel.

That could definetly be a problem.

five.five-six
10-11-2009, 7:32 PM
isn't precision shooting kinda like using a mouse ... point and click?

sounds like a good time...let me see if I can convince pregzilla to let me out for a day

Tragic Image
10-11-2009, 7:36 PM
isn't precision shooting kinda like using a mouse ... point and click?

sounds like a good time...let me see if I can convince pregzilla to let me out for a day

Preg-Zilla.... BWAHAHAHHAHA

I'm gonna have to use that one.

five.five-six
10-11-2009, 7:56 PM
I'm gonna have to use that one.

I just did.... and I have a black eye to prove it


randal, would I be able to test fire a few rounds through my romey G build while I was out there, it should be done about that time

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 8:00 PM
isn't precision shooting kinda like using a mouse ... point and click?

haha, that's a good one.

100yd shooting is often like that.
Past 300yds, not so much...

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 8:01 PM
would I be able to test fire a few rounds through my romey G build while I was out there, it should be done about that time

Once we are all done with the precision rifles, you could certainly test fire an AK.

five.five-six
10-11-2009, 8:11 PM
I was joking.. bout the mouse thing.... it's a handgun thing


I have a .308 upper you built me years ago that shoots under an inch at 200, I am thinking I will bring that


I am guessing from the terrain, that i will need nonmagnetic 7.62X39

Jyruiz
10-11-2009, 8:23 PM
isn't precision shooting kinda like using a mouse ... point and click?

sounds like a good time...let me see if I can convince pregzilla to let me out for a day


LMAO!

ar15barrels
10-11-2009, 8:32 PM
I am guessing from the terrain, that i will need nonmagnetic 7.62X39

It's BLM land.
I don't know if there are any regulations regarding steelcore ammo.
I sure would not shoot it at any rocks or steel though.

ar15barrels
10-13-2009, 10:28 PM
These shoots are building momentum.
We look forward to the near future when we will see 25-30 shooters showing up for precision rifle matches all over southern california.

CSACANNONEER
10-13-2009, 10:42 PM
I still don't have a little caliber (smaller than .510) rifle set up to do this. If I showed up with an old Mauser in 30-06 with a 3x9 on it, would I get laughed at? Or, better yet, could I show up with my K31 and shoot irons?

sleepur606
10-13-2009, 11:53 PM
I've got a bone stock .223 Remington 700 with slow twist barrel.

Would it be inappropriate to concentrate on 600yds below? I need to learn...have apparent natural aptitude at 50-200 yards. (I think it's the gun...:D)

ar15barrels
10-14-2009, 4:56 AM
I still don't have a little caliber (smaller than .510) rifle set up to do this. If I showed up with an old Mauser in 30-06 with a 3x9 on it, would I get laughed at? Or, better yet, could I show up with my K31 and shoot irons?

Irons would be rough.
Some of the targets are not even visible to the naked eye.

ar15barrels
10-14-2009, 4:57 AM
I've got a bone stock .223 Remington 700 with slow twist barrel.

Would it be inappropriate to concentrate on 600yds below? I need to learn...have apparent natural aptitude at 50-200 yards. (I think it's the gun...:D)

Almost any gun can make it out to 600.
Where it really gets challenging is PAST 600.
At out shoots, you can stop wherever you want.
We often have equipment go down that pulls people off the line.
These shoots are a great proving ground for equipment.

Midian
10-14-2009, 6:11 AM
God that looks like fun...I don't think I have the optics to even see some of those targets

five.five-six
10-14-2009, 8:41 AM
I've got a bone stock .223 Remington 700 with slow twist barrel.

Would it be inappropriate to concentrate on 600yds below? I need to learn...have apparent natural aptitude at 50-200 yards. (I think it's the gun...:D)

I have a few boxes of 62 grain silver bear I could bring


the problem is not seeing the target, the problem is getting enough elevation out of your scope

this is where 30mm tubes come into play

ar15barrels
10-14-2009, 5:33 PM
I have a few boxes of 62 grain silver bear I could bring

Don't bother.
It won't be accurate enough.
When we gather fine dope at 650, it's on rocks that are about 4" tall/wide.
If you are shooting 12" groups at that range, you can't make reliable adjustments to gather truly valid dope.
You want your ammo/gun to be 1moa capable to really get something out of these shoots.

You can't reliably make adjustments that are smaller than the accuracy level of your gun.
If we tell you to adjust down 3/4moa and your next shot goes 1moa high from the last shot, what have you learned?
This behavior is still within a 3 moa accuracy range.
If you have a 1moa gun and we tell you to dial 3/4, the bullet WILL be down by at least 1/2moa from the last shot fired.

bomb_on_bus
10-14-2009, 7:05 PM
Any idea on when the next meet will be?

The weather is finally getting to where I wont die in the heat for an all day shoot out.

five.five-six
10-14-2009, 7:15 PM
I have never shot those 62s but I was told they are very consistent.

the rifle I am brining shoots better than 1moa, however, my scope has 1moa elevation and 1/2 windage

ar15barrels
10-14-2009, 7:16 PM
Any idea on when the next meet will be?

There's a link to the thread in the first post of this thread.

ar15barrels
11-20-2009, 12:42 AM
Leave the womenfolk to brave the malls.
The next CaPRC shoot is thanksgiving weekend.
Weather is cooled down now so expect to see some awesome trace in the morning!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=239689

Veggie
11-20-2009, 1:06 AM
Wish there was something like this up north.

ar15barrels
11-20-2009, 1:19 AM
Wish there was something like this up north.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3110746&postcount=25

Veggie
11-20-2009, 1:40 AM
cool thanks

five.five-six
11-20-2009, 10:25 AM
I might be there

ar15barrels
11-25-2009, 3:42 PM
I might be there

Please RSVP in the linked announcement thread if you are coming.
We are nearly full now.

ar15barrels
12-19-2009, 7:27 PM
Our next shoot is next weekend.
If you are interested in this, but don't have a gun, come on out anyways.
You can learn a lot just sitting behind a spotting scope and calling corrections.
We can usually get you on the line behind someone else's gun as well.

ar15barrels
03-09-2010, 4:04 PM
Come out March 27th for the new shooter intro to longrange shooting.
You will start by verifying zero and then we will get you on target out to 1000yds.

Full details here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=278154

ar15barrels
03-19-2010, 9:40 PM
The "introduction to long range" shoot is only a week away now.
Gather up your gear and head on out.
Just RSVP in the thread linked above.

Joe788
07-09-2010, 9:56 AM
We are working on building our own mover...

BJ9pZCuaYhE


I just saw a video on Liveleak that made me think of this topic. This Taliban is ripping down on a road on his motorcycle like a duck in a shooting gallery. He's going so fast his turban unwraps and is flailing 30 feet behind him! Nobody appears to hit him, but some shots were very close. I imagine it would be awfully tough to hit a man sized target moving 50mph, 300+ yards away.

The video is safe for work, but some of the little thumbnail ads on the page may not be (I have AdBlock so I don't see them).

Anybody think they could hit this guy?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f07_1278676115

ar15barrels
07-09-2010, 10:30 AM
I just saw a video on Liveleak that made me think of this topic. This Taliban is ripping down on a road on his motorcycle like a duck in a shooting gallery. He's going so fast his turban unwraps and is flailing 30 feet behind him! Nobody appears to hit him, but some shots were very close. I imagine it would be awfully tough to hit a man sized target moving 50mph, 300+ yards away.

The video is safe for work, but some of the little thumbnail ads on the page may not be (I have AdBlock so I don't see them).

Anybody think they could hit this guy?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f07_1278676115

That's why there's 1 tracer every 4th or 5th round.
Just switch to full auto and swing through the target like you are shooting skeet!