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imported_dadoody
07-17-2005, 6:46 PM
I went to Turners and they have an SKS for sale for about $180. It looks nice and has a folding bayonet and flash surpressor. I think it's a Yugoslavian built one.

I'm new to rifles, and was wondering if these guns are pretty accurate and are fun to shoot?

THanks for the info.

07-17-2005, 7:01 PM
it has a muzzle brake not a flash hider. they are well built but no chrome lined bores. many also have reliability issues because of worn gas shut offs. if it is going to be your only sks i would wait and look for a chinese, russian, or romanian sks.

imported_dadoody
07-17-2005, 7:15 PM
I see.

What does the chromium lined bores do?

And I heard Chinese SKSes had some problem where the barrels came loose over time?

Rascal
07-17-2005, 7:21 PM
I will have to disagree with cowboydude2.
The Yugos are great rifles and will give you many years for fun shooting.The chrome lining is not an issue if you clean you rifle after shooting it.
Also it is easy to replace the gas shutoff valve.
There are plenty of parts for the the Yugo around.
At $180.00, that is a good price for it.
Both my Yugos shoot very straight.

Rascal
07-17-2005, 7:26 PM
Originally posted by >_>:
I see.

What does the chromium lined bores do?

And I heard Chinese SKSes had some problem where the barrels came loose over time?

Chrome line bores make it easier to clean and do last longer than nonchrome ling bores, but it will take a long long time before you shoot out the barrel.

patman
07-17-2005, 7:30 PM
Chromium bores mean less stress when you use mil-surp ammo that's cheap and corrosive. You can clean things when you get home without spraying (or also cleaning) windex/ammonia on things immediately after shooting.

BWise is a champion of Chrome! [ I like the idea also ]

LongBch_SigP226
07-17-2005, 7:37 PM
SKS is a bargain rifle. Heck, rifle is so cheap, you destroy one, go out and buy another one! For occasional plinking, you probably don't need chrome lined barrel.

maxicon
07-17-2005, 7:43 PM
Yes, they're reasonably accurate and lots of fun to shoot, but they're not target guns. $180 is the going rate for them in most of California.

It's hard to go wrong with one, particularly if you get to pick over a few and find one in nice shape. Ammo is cheap, they're super reliable, they're easy to maintain, and recoil is light.

I don't think you can buy a better center-fire rifle for under $200. Next nearest thing is a used Mini-14 or 30 for twice as much.

max

imported_dadoody
07-17-2005, 8:10 PM
Yeah SKS sounds great.

I guess yugo should be fine. I am probably just going to shoot it out in the desert.

Plus I am a clean freak anyways.

jon.ocab@gmail.com
07-17-2005, 8:11 PM
I bought an M59 from Turners. It sits in the closet doing nothing. I thought it would be a fun gun to shoot and ammo is cheap, but it is the most boring gun I own. It's not very accurate, so I don't have fun shooting it.

If you are a collector, it's nice to have one in the collection. But I prefer lots of other rifles to it.

I've had my M59 SKS for a year and shot maybe 100 rounds through it. When I bought my first Garand, I probably put 500 rounds through it in the first month (and ended up buying 2 more).

If you're idea of fun is shooting without abandon, the SKS is second only to the 10/22 as far as cheap fun goes.

Rascal
07-17-2005, 8:43 PM
It's accurate enough to make 8 out of 10 shots hit a 10" plate at 250 yards, iron sights.

jimx
07-17-2005, 8:48 PM
Originally posted by Rascal:
I will have to disagree with cowboydude2.
The Yugos are great rifles and will give you many years for fun shooting.The chrome lining is not an issue if you clean you rifle after shooting it.
Also it is easy to replace the gas shutoff valve.
There are plenty of parts for the the Yugo around.
At $180.00, that is a good price for it.
Both my Yugos shoot very straight.

+1

railroader
07-17-2005, 9:11 PM
I have 2 59/66 yugo's and a norinco sks. Quality wise I give the edge to the yugos but all sks's are a hoot. Mine will shoot about an inch and a half groups at 50 yards if I do my part. I like them so much I'm waiting on another norinco I got off of gunbroker. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=34114001 . As for non chrome barrels I wouldn't worry about it unless you plan on shooting corrosive surplus ammo then you have make sure you clean it properly after you shoot. If you stick with new production russian ammo like wolf or silverbear etc. you don't have to worry about it being corrosive. If you get one from turner's make them let you look at a few they have in the back. I had a guy trying to bring out just one saying that was all they had. For more info: http://www.sksboards.com/ Mark

imported_dadoody
07-17-2005, 9:24 PM
hmm...

so many differing opinions <_<

rkt88edmo
07-18-2005, 6:32 AM
Fun to shoot, yes!

As for accuracy, I don't know about their inherent mechanical accuracy, but the triger pull is fairly heavy, and the iron sights are not wonderful. Those two factors alone are probably the major contributors to the SKS's reputation of 'poor' accuracy. Lastly there is the fact that everyone uses Wolf or other russian ammo in them which is going to add to your accuracy.

Buy an SKS and enjoy it, the prices are only going to go up.

50 Freak
07-18-2005, 9:43 AM
I've had 3 SKS's over my lifetime of collecting. All Norinco's. Two were paratroopers and one was full lenght. I used them a little and I have to say they are pretty reliable. But that is about it. Reliable. Horrible accuracy. Not too fun to shoot.

Ended up selling one and giving the other two away to friends. They (Norincos, Yugos, Russians) are great deals for plinkers. But personally I'd save money and buy something that can hit a barn at 200 yards.

delloro
07-18-2005, 10:09 AM
SKSs are a hoot, no doubt. can't image not owning one.

yugoslavia does not have chromium ore. no reliable access since Tito was caught somewhere betwen the East and the West. so he did without.

chrome bores are almost always better but almost always unnecessary. in your case, all you need to so is make sure the bore is clean and shiny with no frost or pitting and you are good to go. shoot non-corrosive ammo and you will not miss the chrome lining much if at all.

if you do not have a SKS, then get that yugo. besides, the yugos had the best wood of all the SKSs.

TonyNorCal
07-18-2005, 5:44 PM
Short answer: Yes, good deal for what you're getting. SKS's are solid, reliable carbines (actually the Yugo is heavy enough that it's more of a rifle) which fire an inexpensive round which is sufficient for most sub-200 yard applications.

Do yourself a favor...take a bore light or flashlight and make sure to have a good look down the pipe. If they'll let you (and you know how) take the bolt out and have a really good look at the throat. As mentioned above, Yugos are not chrome-lined and if your rifle was once issued to some conscript who didn't care about cleaning then corrosive ammo may have had an effect (there can also be cleaning rod damage). By the way, I think it's highly unlikely that any of these Yugo SKSs are actually 'unissued' in the sense that they never were in the hands of troops. Unissued is far more likely to mean that it was re-arsenaled and then never 're-issued'. However, they can still be in almost new condition.

Chrome-lining. As mentioned above it's not a huge deal (especially on a $200 rifle). Is it better to have? Sure. Chrome lining does two things...1.) Help prevent corrosion (which can be important in a ComBloc army of conscripts with corrosive ammo) 2.) Increase bore life. However, neither is essential. A non-chome bore out of a Yugo will last many thousands of rounds (provided you're not rapid firing all day) and many hundreds of dollars worth of ammo (probably more than you'll shoot it). Best thing to do, as mentioned above, is pick a good bore to start with.

On to corrosive ammo. It's not a big deal. All you need to do is use some hot soapy water (or ammonia/water mix...but be sure to flush all the ammonia out), swab and pour it through the bore, and wipe off the bolt and gas cylinder parts. Done. Takes 5 minutes max. Corrosive ammo is corrosive due to salts in the primer. All you need to do is neutralize/wash from the weapon these salts. It's not the issue some make it out to be. By the way, lots of the cheap commercial 7.62x30 ammo currently on the market is not corrosive.

On a related note...if the idea of inexpensive shooting resonates with you then get a C&R licesne. $30 for 3 years. While you can't order a Yugo directly* (they're under 50 years in age), you can get Russian SKSs, Mosins, Mausers, and many other cool weapons laden with historical connection, cheap to feed, and fun to shoot. Nothing beats having a rifle sent directly to your home.

*Apparently some distributors do ship Yugos to Cali C&R holders, and I'm not quite sure about why (are they uniformed?). I personally wouldn't order one as I understand it to not be legal and it's better to err on the side of caution.

stillbigmac
07-18-2005, 7:46 PM
I love shooting my yugo SKS. I ablsolutely hammer a 5 gallon bucket at 200 yards off a bipod. It is by no means a precision rifle... I dont know of anything else that takes the amout of abuse my SKS does and likes it http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There is a great amount of satisfaction in crushing 5 gallons of rocks with a .30 cal rifle for pennies a shot http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif When the true oil on my stock starts smoking I give it a rest http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I cant wait to try my new SVT, I bet it's a blast too.

imported_dadoody
07-18-2005, 10:30 PM
So far it seems 75/25, most of the people siding with the SKS. I guess I need to thoroughly inspect.

vaporone_859k@hotmail.com
07-19-2005, 2:52 AM
I was a little worried before getting my first Yugo SKS. I had read reports of them just being spray n pray typerifles. After taking mine out and watching my (no gun owning almost never shoots) friend pound a bowling pin several times per stripper clip at 40 or so yards, I knew I hadn't made a mistkae. Absolute blast to shoot? Check. Dirt cheap ammo? Check. Dirt cheap for the rifle? Check. At least moderately accurate? Check.

Definitely a fun rifle to own and take out shooting. And for the price? Why the hell not? Do it up, you'll have a blast. And hey, if you don't, I'd love to add another one to MY collection http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mdhpper
07-20-2005, 2:49 PM
SKS's are fun rifles. I highly recommend them. inexpensive rifle, inexpensive ammo= LOTS of fun!

Gisherwitz
07-20-2005, 3:48 PM
Most people who knock the SKS haven't shot one. But, in considering the price, available and cheap ammo, lack of maintenance the SKS needs and how much fun the gun is to shoot all point to getting to the SKS. Once you shoot it, you will not be dissappointed. It is one of the most fun guns to shoot and contrary to popular belief, has respectful accuaracy. If you want a tack driver that does sub-1MOAs then this is not the gun for you. But, it can deliver 2" to 3" inch groups at 100 yds. It all depends on you.

It is a great starter gun to bridge to other guns. And at any range you go to, there will be plenty of people either with SKSs or who know them to help you with any problems.

You have to get a least one. Then you will need two. The rest depends on how compulsive you are. Look at it this way, for $200 there isn't much downside.

imported_dadoody
07-20-2005, 8:37 PM
Damn. I was 1/2 hour too late. Turner's is all sold out at every store.

icormba
07-21-2005, 11:52 AM
no worries, there should be more in the next few months. Free America is still selling them for under $100 for "shooters".
No telling what will be in the long term future though!

And yes, they are great for a first rifle and outstanding for a plinking gun.

2nd that about the yugo wood! the wood on the yugo's is GREAT! well, as long as you get one with elm or walnut. I don't care for the beech.

imported_dadoody
07-21-2005, 12:58 PM
what? You mean I'm paying X2 more than I should be paying??? >http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And getting less? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (No grenade launcher attachment)

T_T

imported_dadoody
07-21-2005, 6:59 PM
Originally posted by >_>:
what? You mean I'm paying X2 more than I should be paying??? >http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And getting less? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (No grenade launcher attachment)

T_T

I went to the Turner's in Signal hill that had the SKSs in stock, and I brought my barrell light. They looked pretty bad. Bores has so much pitting http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

icormba
07-21-2005, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by >_>:
what? You mean I'm paying X2 more than I should be paying??? >http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And getting less? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (No grenade launcher attachment)

T_T

Yes http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
but then again, so am I.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_Model_59...62x39_SKS_Rifle.html (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_Model_59_66_7_62x39_SKS_Rifle.html)

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=CRYU5966

http://www.southernohiogun.com/surplusrifles.html

imported_dadoody
07-22-2005, 3:09 AM
139.99 for EXCELLENT conidition!? Damn.

The 180s at turners were all crap. They were shooter grade, but every one of them was worn and pitted.



Does anyone here know if I could buy these out of state, and modi9fy them to be CA complient myself?

07-22-2005, 11:14 PM
I was told by a gunsmith that the SKS's with the hacked barrels are crap due to the barrels not being cut correctly. But at $180, what do you expect?

maxicon
07-23-2005, 1:09 PM
Technically, the barrels don't need to be cut at all. It just needs the grenade launcher removed.

Once that's done, the threads can be left bare, or a muzzle brake can be threaded on if desired, but it doesn't need to be welded or anything.

For some reason, all these companies feel a need to go beyond the letter of the law in these mods. I really wish they wouldn't!

max

mdhpper
07-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Anyone tried Inter Ordinance lately?

rkt88edmo
07-24-2005, 9:01 PM
Originally posted by mdhpper:
Anyone tried Inter Ordinance lately?

Bwahahahaha

railroader
07-26-2005, 3:15 PM
Interordnance has xlnt cond yugos right now For $128 and the cali conversion is another $20. I bought 2 unissued yugos from them about a year ago and they were super nice. On the conversion they weld a sleeve over the launcher. http://www.interordnance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Scre...duct_Code=SKSK0001-E (http://www.interordnance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=INTERORDNANCE.c om&Product_Code=SKSK0001-E) Mark

imported_wallysparx
07-26-2005, 3:46 PM
i got me an m59 from turners, not the 59/66. never had any problems with the gas tube, no hacked barrel to worry about. as a novice shooter i'm sure it still shoots better than i can.

railroader
07-26-2005, 9:05 PM
When I ordered from interordnance I called to make sure they were in stock 1st. I have heard stories of interordnance telling people they have rifles coming in and stringing the buyers along for along time though. The thing with living in california is if you want a 59/66 only century arms and interordnance are where they are coming from. I have both, and I was lucky and got good ones. Mark