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WebMoskal
09-16-2009, 6:09 PM
I need load data for 165 Plated/Lead Berry and 180 Bear Creek Moly Coated Lead bullets using Win231 powder. My Lee's load manual did not have related info, and from what I've googled Lyman also does not have it.

Please provide Starting and Max loads with OAL, or point to the right source.
Thanks

f4tweet
09-16-2009, 6:33 PM
Check on the Powder manufacturers website. Lee's Second Edition Reloading Manual.

WebMoskal
09-16-2009, 6:35 PM
Winchester/Hodgdon does not post data for lead bullets. I posted wrong manual by mistake, I do have Lee's Second and it does not have that data

f4tweet
09-16-2009, 6:50 PM
On page 616 of Lee's, use the recipe for plated bullets for your 180 grain Bear Creek. on page 615, you could try the recipe for 170 gr.lead.Back off .2-.4 gr. of 231. That should put you in the ballpark.

qtrxist
09-17-2009, 8:23 AM
hey Yuriy (webm), can you post the recipe on that 40cal 180gr bear creek with W231 or 40cal 170gr lead with W231? ill be loading soon. i only have Lyman and didnt mention any on W231. thanks.

WebMoskal
09-17-2009, 9:51 PM
Powder Type = WIN 231

170 Jacketed Bullet - Start 4.5 Never Exceed 5.3, Min OAL 1.12

170 Grain Lead Bullet - Start 4.0 Never Exceed 5.2 Min OAL 1.11

180 Jacketed Bullet - Start 4.0 Never Exceed 5.0 Min OAL 1.10

200 Jacketed Bullet - Start 3.0 Never Exceed 4.0 Min OAL 1.14

qtrxist
09-17-2009, 10:52 PM
thanks!!!

fullspeed1
09-18-2009, 7:55 AM
I was loading 165gr Berry's on top of 5.2gr of W231 with a 1.12" OAL for a good shooting .40cal round.

freakshow10mm
09-18-2009, 7:59 AM
180gr using 4.8gr W231 is a good load.

ejor
09-20-2009, 10:21 PM
I've used 4.8 to 5.0g ww231 with 180g flat point bear creek moly with oal of 1.125 in my gun. If i remember right 4.8 was a v.good load.
5.g of vv340 is nice with that bullet also. different guns might require differnt o.a.l. due to different chambers.

WebMoskal
09-20-2009, 11:13 PM
Here is what I got, with my sub compact Glock27

Berry Plated 165gn Powder Win231:
OAL 1.120 , Powder 4.2gn - Avg 739 fps PowerFactor 122 (too weak for IPSC)
OAL 1.125 , Powder 4.8gn - Avg 860 fps, PowerFactor 142

Bear Creek Lead 180gn Powder Win231:
OAL 1.120, Powder 3.5 - Avg 743 fps, PowerFactor 134
OAL 1.120, Powder 3.9 - Avg 784 fps, PowerFactor 141
OAL 1.120, Powder 4.1 - Avg 838 fps, PowerFactor 151
OAL 1.125, Powder 4.1 - Avg 830 fps, PowerFactor 149

WebMoskal
09-20-2009, 11:15 PM
I think my 180gn Federal factory ammo was doing about 960fps

gotgunz
11-26-2009, 2:44 AM
Not to dig up a dead thread but I have been loading 180grn lead TCFP bullets behind 4.9grns of W-231 & have been using Federal mag primers but just loaded up some using Wolf primers.

I am actually thinking of going down to about 4.0 - 4.2 grns of powder; has anybody else run this combo? If so, what types of results did you get?

qtrxist
11-26-2009, 11:05 AM
i will be chronoing my load tomorrow however ill be using HP-38 which i have heard is the same as W231. i used to load 4.8gr but when i chrono'd a week ago i was running hot (IPSC PF) at around 1100 avg FPS.

i prepared 3.8, 4.0, 4.3 of HP-38, 1.130-1.140 OAL, on a 5" bull barrel.

i did chrono a week ago and i think my noobness kicked in place my chrono too close from the muzzle (5 feet) getting too high result. ill place it further at 10 feet next time.

will post results after.

bruceflinch
11-26-2009, 9:55 PM
Here is what I got, with my sub compact Glock27

Berry Plated 165gn Powder Win231:
OAL 1.120 , Powder 4.2gn - Avg 739 fps PowerFactor 122 (too weak for IPSC)
OAL 1.125 , Powder 4.8gn - Avg 860 fps, PowerFactor 142

Bear Creek Lead 180gn Powder Win231:
OAL 1.120, Powder 3.5 - Avg 743 fps, PowerFactor 134
OAL 1.120, Powder 3.9 - Avg 784 fps, PowerFactor 141
OAL 1.120, Powder 4.1 - Avg 838 fps, PowerFactor 151
OAL 1.125, Powder 4.1 - Avg 830 fps, PowerFactor 149

I'll go to the DAP computer & change your masterfile data to "minor" scoring...:D

qtrxist
11-27-2009, 5:22 PM
Bullet: S&S casting 180 gr FP Lead
Powder: HP-38
Primer: Wolf SPP
OAL: 1.140" +/- 0.005
Crimp: 0.419"
all strings of 10rds

3.8gr; Avg 729 fps
Note: very soft recoil, like shooting an airsoft. rounds not properly cycling.

4.0gr; Avg 772 fps
Note: soft recoil

4.3gr; Avg 846 fps
4.3gr; Avg 855 fps (Moly coated 180gr Bear Creek OAL: 1.130")

i should've loaded more to 5.2gr but i got lazy.

gotgunz
11-30-2009, 2:40 AM
I loaded up a box tonight with the following:

180grn lead truncated cone flat point
4.4 grns of W-231
Wolf std pistol primers

We'll see how these perform in my CZ vs. the old load of 5.3 grns of w-231 and Federal mag primers.

qtrxist
11-30-2009, 8:28 AM
what was your chrono with 5.3gr W-231?

gotgunz
11-30-2009, 10:25 PM
What is a chrono?



LOL

My Hornaday book says it should be about 900fps @ 5.3 grns and just under 800 @ 4.4

They weren't any hotter than factory CCI Blazer Brass but I am just punching paper and an occasional steel plate so less recoil and stretching the powder supply are the intent.

CGT80
12-05-2009, 7:40 PM
I shoot an xd 40 service model with berrys bullets and win 231 powder. I have used bullseye in the past. It seemed ok, but I like the 231 so far. Some of my books have much higher loads than others. I prefer my lyman book with the lower loads.

These loads work well for me:

40 caliber 135 RS copper coated
win 231 5.3 grains
1.125" COAL

40 caliber 155 FP
win 231 4.8 grains
1.125" COAL

40 caliber 165 FP copper coated
win 231 4.4 grains
1.130" COAL

40 caliber 180 FP
win 231 4.3 grains
1.125" COAL

I had a barsto 9mm conversion barrel fit to my gun and I have loaded up some berrys bullets, but have not tested the load yet.

9mm berrys 115 RNDS copper
win 231 3.8 grains
1.090" COAL

WebMoskal
12-14-2009, 11:11 PM
I'll go to the DAP computer & change your masterfile data to "minor" scoring...:D

Power factor for Major does not apply for Production div.