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colossians323
06-14-2005, 3:10 PM
Has this been done?
Is this doable?
What kind of resources are needed?
Does it take a permit.
I am relatively new to firearms.
In 1999, I had the sudden urge to own a certain type of firearm for fear that I may never own one.
I did nothing then, except to help bump the price up, and help put money in a few peoples pockets.
Since then I don't have big enough safe forr all the firearms I own.
I have become more politically active, and have and do write letters, faxes and emails to our politicians.
I did it most recently with Ab 357, and Ab352.
I did it for ab50 the anti fifty ban and many other bills.
I feel that this is not making much of a difference, or not enough people are writing.
I think the biggest bang for our buck would be to close down Sacramento.
Why is it that the lefties can put together these kinds of protests?
I think its time for us to sacrafice a little bit of our time and do it.
We need to find the best time where we can have the most people there.
I figure, I can bring (not tell) 10 people plus my wife and five kids.
There is at least 100 active members in the Kalifornian forum alone, and I'm sure most of those can bring (not tell) ten people as well.
On this site alone that would account for 1000 people.'
If we utilize all the sites such as highroad.org, ar15.com, glocktalk.com battrlerifles miafiringline, pink pistols, second amendment sisters, etc, etc, etc. I figure we can have quite a sizeable showing.
This would require quite a sacrafice from many, especially those down south.
The goal would be to shut down Sacramento, when the politicians are there.
I believe we should try and get the other States invovled as well, ala minuteman style, where they would carry their State flags with them.
The reason for bringing in them, is that as Kalifornia goes so others follow.
I've been driving for three hours today, and have alot of time to think.
I'm pissed that we have given up so much, when it is our rights that are at stake, not given by the government, but endowed to us by God.
I've thought of some names such as , The Second Amendment milion American march, or Homeland defenders million American march, or what ever sounds good.
Ive thought of some great picket signs, that I wouuld be willing to help finance, as well as donate some of our clerical staffs time.
some of the signs, that I thought of are as follow(excuse the grammar, I am just a plumber)
Phil Angeledes QUIT ARMING THE TERRORISTS
Dave Koretz QUIT ARMING THE CRIMINALS
I AM A GAY/LESBIAN GUN OWNER (compliments of pink pistols i hope)
PRO CHOICE-PRO GUN (obviously pro choice covers many aspects )
REPEAL THE HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPONS BAN
DONT BE A GIRLIE MAN VETO AB352 AND 357
THE SECOND AMENDMENT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE
GUN OWNERS ARE AMERICANS TOO

Now some of you may think these are lame, or my concept is lame, but I am sure that you are sick and tired of these stoopid laws as well. If we don't do anything we can continue to lose our rights, we can write letters, and continue to lose our rights, but I really believe, if we close down Sacramento we will be heard. I don't think 1000 people is enough, but it is a start.
If we can just plan it where we will have maximum impact, it will work.
I hope everyone considers it seriously, I am, willing to do a ton of legwork.
I am leaving town today for ten days and will not be near the internet, so I guess when I come back I will see if this post disappears into thin air, or other people get excited and want to make a run of it.

colossians323
06-14-2005, 5:43 PM
Originally posted by Technical Ted:
Sounds like a great idea.

But wave banners, not guns...only because I'm pretty certain the capitol building grounds are a "no gun" zone by state law.



I agree, this is why it would be signs as described above.

"shutting down" Sacramento would be illegal and shed a bad light on gun owners. Not everyone supported the anti-war protesters who blocked streets and rioted in SF a few years back--and I'm not just talking about reinforcing opposing views of the far Right. Similar activities by gun owners would only backfire on us.
AGREED, I am talking about shutting down the Capitol, not the roadways around it. If there is enough bodies to gather around the whole building, I believe some eyes would have to be open .

Charliegone
06-14-2005, 7:28 PM
Hey! I would do it, but we really need to organize better. As amd said in another post, if we can get some NRA or other pro-gun people to help us out we can do it! We just need to spread the word.

dwtt
06-14-2005, 8:24 PM
Originally posted by Charliegone:
Hey! I would do it, but we really need to organize better. As amd said in another post, if we can get some NRA or other pro-gun people to help us out we can do it! We just need to spread the word.

Just my opinion here, but I wouldn't count on the NRA to help us here in CA. Their affiliate is the CRPA and they are sadly very slow and not active enough. The CRPA are more like lab retrievers when you really need a pit bull to get something done. From my own experience, you should count only on yourself and a small group of dedicated people to join you. A small group of 10 people can have a lot more effect providing public comment during the committee process of a bil than waving banners on the steps of the capitol building. Just my opinion.

colossians323
06-14-2005, 9:13 PM
Originally posted by dwtt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charliegone:
Hey! I would do it, but we really need to organize better. As amd said in another post, if we can get some NRA or other pro-gun people to help us out we can do it! We just need to spread the word.

Just my opinion here, but I wouldn't count on the NRA to help us here in CA. Their affiliate is the CRPA and they are sadly very slow and not active enough. The CRPA are more like lab retrievers when you really need a pit bull to get something done. From my own experience, you should count only on yourself and a small group of dedicated people to join you. A small group of 10 people can have a lot more effect providing public comment during the committee process of a bil than waving banners on the steps of the capitol building. Just my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is exactly my thoughts. I am a life membere at the NRA, but I don't remeber them once ever organizing anything like this before.
It will take the grassroots utilizing sites like this, and a lot of volunteer work.
Networking will be the key.
If we can get the ball rolling you bet the gunrights groups will want to be involved, but it has to be initiated, and sponsored by the people, not the gun rights group, so that the liberal media won't be able to demonize anyone but the people.
I will be gone for ten days, this is my last post, I guess when I come back we will see how serious Kalifornians are about there gun rights.

shooterx10
06-14-2005, 9:55 PM
Both the NRA and CRPA are like 1 ton mentally retarded apes. They are SLOW to react and to move and they concentrate on only ONE thing at a time. http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif

One group to try are this state's chapter of the Gunowners of America (http://www.gunownersca.com) and the Liberty Belles (http://www.Libertybelles.org) out of Washington.

Another thing is to try are the individual NRA Members councils. Their website is: http://www.nramemberscouncils.com

Charliegone
06-14-2005, 10:14 PM
Well I know we shouldn't depend on them, in fact I haven't really the NRA do something like stage a protest, but how can we get it across the whole gun owning community?

Silverback
06-14-2005, 10:49 PM
Both the NRA and CRPA are like 1 ton mentally retarded apes.


The one ton apes are the California shooters. Getting Cali shooters to form into anything to confront Sacramento and the Socialist in the Democratic party is a good waste of your time.

If you will recall there was a move at one time to introduce a Constitutional Amendment to add a "Second Amendment" type clause to the state Constitution. It has gone nowhere. Don't depend on a Cali shooter when the chips are down because they will not be there when the chances are good. If the enemy was about to make a beachhead on the Cali coast they would invite them to sit and chat a while.

Spotted Owl
06-15-2005, 8:02 AM
You can bet that any demonstration by gun owners at the Capitol will be well-attended by the redneck Rambo types wearing camo and generally looking like there aren't too many branches in their family trees.

You can also bet that these are the people the media will interview on TV.

jnojr
06-15-2005, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Dispatcher:
If you will recall there was a move at one time to introduce a Constitutional Amendment to add a "Second Amendment" type clause to the state Constitution. It has gone nowhere. Don't depend on a Cali shooter when the chips are down because they will not be there when the chances are good.

+1

The last I heard, the RKBA initiative will be offered up for the 2006 general election. If I'm still in California, I'll do what I can... but 99.99% of gun owners, including here, will just turn a blind eye. People love to moan and groan about how bad things are, but ask them to do something about it, and all you hear is chirping crickets...

06-15-2005, 11:55 AM
I hate to admit it but jnojr is right. However, I am not convinced it is because Cali gun owners are apathetic and don't really care. I rather think it is because there is no leadership and we're up against a very organized foe. Most people are followers. That doesn't mean they won't do what their told and work hard, but that means somebody has to be there telling them what to do. We in the gun community lack those somebodies. I've been complaining about this for a couple of years now.

IMHO what is required is an organization that would 1) Recruit gun owners. 2) Mobilize those gun owners. 3) Carefully analyze state elections and look for districts where we can put the pressure on. 4) Concentrate efforts on those districts. 5) Put together a coordinated PR campaign to present an image of gun owners as responsible, law abiding, hard working citizens (which wouldn't be that hard to show). 6) Get out there and debunk the frequent lies spread by the gun grabbers. 7) Recruit support of LEO's. 8) Identify and work with pro Second Amendment law makers.

I agree that we shouldn't count on much support from the NRA or manufacturers, at least at first. However, there have to be some wealthy gun owners in CA that could be persuaded to fund such an organization. I do what I can. I write letters, make phone calls, stay up on gun related legislation, but I have a family to provide for. I don't have the time to do all of what I suggested above without being paid for it. IMHO it wouldn't take a huge staff, but it would take some paid people to do the organizing. Once the movement was started, then I think we might get some assistance from the NRA and manufacturers. I mean think about it. Cali is a huge market.

Well, enough of my rambling. I just hope we do get organized because the other side is and it's just a matter of time.

Silverback
06-15-2005, 1:12 PM
Macman -

Several have stepped up to the plate and tried to form groups into something that could confront Sacramento. Jnojr is one of them that has made such an effort along with others.

I may be pessimistic about Cali shooters but I'm just facing what I see. Cali is full of highly educated people educated by the Socialist is our educational system. They would rather teach your daughter how to put on a condom rather than teach her about rights and our history. They know nothing or next to nothing about the Second Amendment. They have been dumbed down to what can be considered socialized sheep in the pasture. They would not protest anything except things like Michael Jackson and the like.

06-15-2005, 3:49 PM
Originally posted by Dispatcher:
Macman -

I may be pessimistic about Cali shooters but I'm just facing what I see. Cali is full of highly educated people educated by the Socialist is our educational system. They would rather teach your daughter how to put on a condom rather than teach her about rights and our history. They know nothing or next to nothing about the Second Amendment. They have been dumbed down to what can be considered socialized sheep in the pasture. They would not protest anything except things like Michael Jackson and the like.

For folks in the greater Bay Area and parts of LA I agree with you 100%. However, I would not paint all with the same brush. True, public education is in a sorry state with the curriculum being dumbed down, but a lot of kids are either not in public school or receive supplemental education from their parents. I suspect this is especially true in the gun community. And by the way, it's not just the Second Amendment about which students are taught nothing, it's all the amendments and the Constitution for that matter.

I agree that a large portion of Cali's populace has willingly walked into the pasture, shut the gate behind themselves, and relegated themselves to becomming sheeple. I also think most can have their brains reactivated. My observations have led me to believe that there are two kinds of liberals in Cali. There are the ones who actually know what they are doing by destroying American culture and values and are doing it intentionally to create a Socialist state. Then there are the ones who have been suckered by the first group. The former is more dangerous, but a smaller group. Unfortunately, we have allowed them to successfully invade state government and academia. This can change.

What does this have to do with guns. I think the restoration of gun rights in California goes hand in hand with a restoration of traditional American values. I see glimmers of hope that this may be starting. I can't even count all of the parents I know who have pulled their kids out of public school to either home school or send to private school. I am starting to see people recognize how out of step many of the legislators in Sac are with their beliefs. Look at how hard and how soon the labor unions are going after the ballot measures in the special election. They were campaigning against them before the election was even official. I don't think the propositions go far enough, but it is a start. If the unions and liberals didn't think there was a chance of them passing they would not be spending so much time and money on defeating them. I believe they too feel the winds changing. So I guess I'm just not a pessimistic as you are about the nature of the Cali populace.

06-15-2005, 3:56 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dispatcher:
Macman -

Several have stepped up to the plate and tried to form groups into something that could confront Sacramento. Jnojr is one of them that has made such an effort along with others.

[QUOTE]

BTW, thanks to jnojr and all others who are active in this battle. I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that gun rights are the weathervane of the Republic. I believe if gun rights fall completely the rest of our rights will quickly follow. I believe this as much for what the Second Amendment symbolizes as its practical application, however both are important.

colossians323
06-26-2005, 8:51 PM
Okay,
I am back, and despite all the negative comments, I feel with the age of tthe internet, and sites like this, this is a very doable event.
It is true that money, and groups might get involved later, and I remember the attempt at changing the Kali constitution, I just started getting into firearms at this time, and could not believe that they couldn't get the required signatures, however, with the poplarity of sites like this, I believe that it can be different. Like I wrote before, if people brought ten people as opposed to tell ten people I think it can happen.
How many of you have ten friends or family members that you can bring to such an event,m if you tell me that you can't, well that tells me something of the influence you have on your friends, or what kind of shallow relationships you have.
I guarantee, I could bring at least twenty with me, and if I pay my employees to be there
http://www.calguns.net/laughroll.gif at lest twenty more.
We can effect the community with our influence if it is positve.
How many of you take the time to shoot?
How many of you take the time to introduce shooting to someone who doesn't?
If the pendelum can just start swinging back this wany we can change things.

Heck if Arnold does the redisticting that he is trying, that may help us faster.
My friends, I just got back from a long trip, and will continue to pursue this starting July 5th.
I will include my office staff, and finances, and look forward to working with those who can see a change.

imported_booknut
06-30-2005, 3:08 PM
I was hoping to do something similar the first of this year.

After July 10th but not on the 13th, I am available to help or show up.
I will also be unavailable to show up July 28 or 29 until around Aug. 6/7.

Let me know how I can help.