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Too Slow
09-12-2009, 9:12 AM
With the passing of this outrageous anti ammo bill, I think we continue to recognize that the system is completely broken. I agree that we should all continue to write and call, but I also think it is time for a fundamental shake-up.

I know that this has been posted before, but I highly recommend you sign the petition and get friends to sign the petition to make our state legislature a part time one. This would limit the time they spend in Sacramento and it would force them to continue to have "real" jobs.

There are a ton of reasons to try and get this on the ballot and considering how angry all Californians are with the legislature, I think the iron is hot to actually get reform.

Here is a link to the website that outlines the details:

http://www.reformcal.com/cms/

223Junkie
09-12-2009, 11:23 AM
I agree with completely from what I read on the proposed ballot except for one thing. Where does it say anything about reduction of pay? If they work less but get paid the same, they wouldn't have to have another "normal job". I'm not sure exactly how these politcian are paid. Hourly, monthly, or legislative session?

Woodymyster
09-12-2009, 2:15 PM
They are the highest paid in the nation, way over $100,000 year. I would love a part-time legislature, but their pay has to be cut too. Is that possible with their current contracts?

Elsinore
09-12-2009, 2:28 PM
I agree with completely. They spend to much time on junk and feel good laws.

Too Slow
09-12-2009, 4:03 PM
This is a change to the constitution, the details including pay wold be worked out later. Yes, by them, but we would have a huge amount of leverage if this passed.

Meplat
09-12-2009, 10:33 PM
Basically it's a pointless but bloated stipend and all they can steal!:mad:


I'm not sure exactly how these politcian are paid. Hourly, monthly, or legislative session?

pmrtruck
09-12-2009, 10:37 PM
VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS

When you vote in 2010, make your choice a good choice.

When choosing a candidate, if you see next to their name, Incumbent or Senator
or Representative or Congressman or Congresswoman or any other word
which would indicate they’re an Incumbent, a currently seated Federal Congress Person?

I ask you to choose SOMEONE ELSE!

Make your choice personal…Get to know the candidates and what they stand for,
Learn what their position is on your favorite issues! Make an educated choice!

Make your choice random…By the time Election Day arrives, it should be obvious
who the returning Congressman is and simply Vote for SOMEONE ELSE!

Either way, it doesn’t matter what party your choice is from…
Fresh People / Non Connected People are who we really need!

This is not “Throwing your Vote away”!
No! Any one of these ways is actually making a CHOICE!

I simply ask you this; in 2010, during the next election, choose to
NOT Vote for the Incumbent and Vote for SOMEONE ELSE!

In reality, what this will do is STOP Congress from passing more spending bills.

Congress will have NO POWER, NO CONNECTIONS, and will effectively be STOPPED in their tracks.

Let’s REPLACE the ENTIRE House of Representatives in 2010.

Even the Political Action Groups, (there are LOTS of them) will have to
re-establish their connections in order to do “Business”.

This will last for several months until new connections are made and
hopefully we will see some corrections being made in Congress.
My hope is the NEW Congress will actually do some work for US.

This is a Great Power we have as Owners of this Great Country!

Let’s resume ownership and STOP the insanity!

VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS in 2010!
TAKE THE CON OUT OF CONGRESS!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!


P.S. SAME FOR ALL REPRESENTATIVES IN THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA. VOTE THEM ALL OUT FOR FAILING TO UPHOLD THEIR OATH OF OFFICE...FOR DESTROYING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOST OF OUR PRODUCTION SECTORS. OUR AGRICULTURE IS FAILING NOW, ALSO COURTESY OF THEIR FAILURE TO PROPERLY GOVERN. PROGRESSIVENESS STARTED HERE AND SHOULD END HERE!

Trench Broom
09-13-2009, 2:15 AM
+1000 :thumbsup: My thinking exactly! If even half of the incumbents in this state were kicked out of office, that would send a HUGE message. Sadly, I don't see enough voters here pressing that inkstick on their ballot for anyone other than who they've been familiar with voting for in the past, but I hope I'm wrong. People are pissed, lets hope it translates into some rational thought at the ballot box.

Too Slow
09-14-2009, 3:48 PM
However as the point has been made, most voters are apathetic. This is why a specific legislative change is what I'd like to see. I think, if we can get this prop on the ballot, it will pass and it will fundamentally help change the way Sacramento does business. With a part time legislature, there is no ab962 as they won't have the time to fool around with this.


VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS

When you vote in 2010, make your choice a good choice.

When choosing a candidate, if you see next to their name, Incumbent or Senator
or Representative or Congressman or Congresswoman or any other word
which would indicate they’re an Incumbent, a currently seated Federal Congress Person?

I ask you to choose SOMEONE ELSE!

Make your choice personal…Get to know the candidates and what they stand for,
Learn what their position is on your favorite issues! Make an educated choice!

Make your choice random…By the time Election Day arrives, it should be obvious
who the returning Congressman is and simply Vote for SOMEONE ELSE!

Either way, it doesn’t matter what party your choice is from…
Fresh People / Non Connected People are who we really need!

This is not “Throwing your Vote away”!
No! Any one of these ways is actually making a CHOICE!

I simply ask you this; in 2010, during the next election, choose to
NOT Vote for the Incumbent and Vote for SOMEONE ELSE!

In reality, what this will do is STOP Congress from passing more spending bills.

Congress will have NO POWER, NO CONNECTIONS, and will effectively be STOPPED in their tracks.

Let’s REPLACE the ENTIRE House of Representatives in 2010.

Even the Political Action Groups, (there are LOTS of them) will have to
re-establish their connections in order to do “Business”.

This will last for several months until new connections are made and
hopefully we will see some corrections being made in Congress.
My hope is the NEW Congress will actually do some work for US.

This is a Great Power we have as Owners of this Great Country!

Let’s resume ownership and STOP the insanity!

VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS in 2010!
TAKE THE CON OUT OF CONGRESS!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!


P.S. SAME FOR ALL REPRESENTATIVES IN THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA. VOTE THEM ALL OUT FOR FAILING TO UPHOLD THEIR OATH OF OFFICE...FOR DESTROYING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOST OF OUR PRODUCTION SECTORS. OUR AGRICULTURE IS FAILING NOW, ALSO COURTESY OF THEIR FAILURE TO PROPERLY GOVERN. PROGRESSIVENESS STARTED HERE AND SHOULD END HERE!