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Seesm
09-11-2009, 9:12 PM
I have such a hard time finding stuff on here. Sorry if this was or has been posted before...

I was looking for the paperwork to be able to show a LEO that your 80% homebrew is in fact legal if your pulled over or anything with it.

I have the rest of the paperwork on OLL with PC codes and what not but I want to cover all basis.

Thanks for any help. :)

Seesm
09-12-2009, 10:31 AM
56 views and no answers? Come on kids...


Basically what could I show a non knowing LEO that it is ok to make a ar "style" firearm by myself? A few of us have em don't we all want to know?

Grumpyoldretiredcop
09-12-2009, 7:20 PM
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6 I think that you won't find much more, as firearms law tends to define what you can't do, not what you can do.

Josh3239
09-12-2009, 9:05 PM
What do you mean if it is legal? If it on not on the ban list, it is not on the ban list. :confused:

rabagley
09-12-2009, 9:55 PM
For an 80% lower, your assertion is that you made it and it's not for sale, therefore the gun isn't on any of the ban lists, therefore it's legal.

If the BATFE wants to challenge the status of the receiver as being further along than 80% when you bought it (which is pretty much the only risk I know of), they would charge the seller of the 80% receiver based on evidence they gathered from the seller (presumably by buying one). Your legal exposure is pretty minimal.

Your AR does still need to be in a 100% legal configuration. One of disassembled into upper and lower, assembled with a BB, or assembled and featureless.

If you're afraid of the uninformed LEO, bring copies of the law with you. The federal guidelines on 80% firearms and a copy of the flowchart should suffice. I can't get to the BATFE website right now, but here's a page that has some pointers: http://www.savvysurvivor.com/law_research_on_home_built_firea.htm

The big thing to verbally communicate is "I made this gun for my personal use and it's not for sale."

CnCFunFactory
09-13-2009, 12:39 AM
56 views and no answers? Come on kids...


Basically what could I show a non knowing LEO that it is ok to make a ar "style" firearm by myself? A few of us have em don't we all want to know?

That just means there is 56, now 57 of us who would like to know the info too. :o

yoteassasin
09-13-2009, 4:42 AM
i think what you are looking for is how to have it "registered" or on a list of firearms you legally acquired from cadoj or batf or whoever illegally keeps that data so if the guns numbers are run they come up belonging to you....right??
if this is what you are after I'm sure that there is a form just like the intrafamiliar deal to tel them that you are now in possession of said gun with said S/N

Paul
09-13-2009, 5:13 AM
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/80%20Percent/80PercentR.jpg

I don't think there's any paper that you can waive that's going to prevent an under educated LEO from arresting and charging you. I can produce you papers that say you're the president and put them on city, state, or federal letterhead of your choice with the signature of anyone.

I also doubt that the cop is going to do if reference check if you provide the applicable laws.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/80%20Percent/BATFLetterPage1.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/80%20Percent/BATFLetterPage2.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/80%20Percent/BATFLetterPage3.jpg

grahlaika
09-13-2009, 10:22 AM
I was looking for the paperwork to be able to show a LEO that your 80% homebrew is in fact legal if your pulled over or anything with it.


I don't understand what legality of a lower has to do with having it built from an 80% casting. They're two separate, and un-related questions.

1. Your firearm HAS to be legally configured regardless of how you acquired the lower. Otherwise it's an AW.

2. You don't need to register any legally-configured lower since it's not an AW, so I don't see why a LEO would care where you got your lower. Worst case machine your own brand and model on it (which is recommended in any event) to minimize questioning.

3. I believe the limitation is that your homebrew lower is for personal use only, and you can't sell/transfer it to someone else without having a manufacturing permit.

4. As others have said, there's nothing to prevent a LEO from taking you to jail regardless of the legality of your gear, homebrew or not. Your best bet is to lay low and not brag to others at the range about how you built your lower yourself - that's just asking for questions you may not be prepared to answer. Be smart.

AJAX22
09-13-2009, 11:34 AM
#1 WHY are you letting your vehicle be searched?

#2 Its up to them to prove its not legal.

#3 See #1

#4 Profit

Seesm
09-14-2009, 12:48 AM
Yeah yeah mine is configured correctly, but to be able to show some paperwork to a NON knowing LEO is good.

I say this because they take it (my paperwork) back to the car and call there superiors and more than one head is being able to read the paperwork (I gave them) and bam I get released and let to go with my guns down the road.

Basically wouldn't it be cool if we had a book with the laws in it that OLL and 80% owners could use to "show LEO's" the write way? ...Just a idea.

ke6guj
09-14-2009, 1:14 AM
there is a book that a CG'er compiled all the OLL info, laws and CADOJ/ATF letters in that he was selling on the forum.