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bwiese
09-11-2009, 10:59 AM
From http://www.CalNRA.com
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latest info: AB962 was passed by Senate 21Yes - 18 No. The bill now
goes back to the Assembly for final vote. Please contact the members
of the Assembly and urge a "NO" vote on AB962. The last day of the
session is Friday 9/11.
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It's not over til it's over.

PLEASE CALL, EMAIL AND FAX VARIOUS **ASSEMBLY** MEMBERS EARLY AND OFTEN.

DO NOT WORRY WHAT YOU WRITE, OTHER THAN "NO on AB962".

When you call an Assembly member of a given district outside your area, and you are asked where you reside or what your zipcode is, make sure the data you supply is correct and that you have a logical street, city and zipcode ready.

You can test zipcodes here and see to whom they belong:

http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset9text.htm

383green
09-11-2009, 11:07 AM
When you call an Assembly member of a given district outside your area, and you are asked where you reside or what your zipcode is, make sure the data you supply is correct and that you have a logical street, city and zipcode ready.

You can test zipcodes here and see to whom they belong:

http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset9text.htm


I thought that it's a federal crime to lie to a government official. :confused:

berto
09-11-2009, 11:10 AM
I thought that it's a federal crime to lie to a government official. :confused:

Lowest rung legislative aide manning the phones.

383green
09-11-2009, 11:13 AM
Lowest rung legislative aide manning the phones.

So, that makes it right?

bwiese
09-11-2009, 11:24 AM
I thought that it's a federal crime to lie to a government official. :confused:

1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.

POLICESTATE
09-11-2009, 11:25 AM
1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.

:thumbsup:

aklon
09-11-2009, 11:47 AM
When you call an Assembly member of a given district outside your area, and you are asked where you reside or what your zipcode is, make sure the data you supply is correct and that you have a logical street, city and zipcode ready.

Whenever I get asked this I always say: "I may not live in the ( Senator or Assemblyman's) district, but he is making laws that affect me so yes, I will call and give you my opinion."

Vtec44
09-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Done, wrote to my reps.

soundwave
09-11-2009, 12:04 PM
1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.

Effin A!

JTecalo
09-11-2009, 12:18 PM
emailed my reps

doc1buc
09-11-2009, 12:20 PM
1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.
Man you guys rock!

Blackhawk556
09-11-2009, 1:00 PM
1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.

:D:rolleyes:

hill billy
09-11-2009, 1:32 PM
1. It's not under oath.
2. They're not LE/investigators.
3. They do the same crap to us, turnabout is fair play.

War is dirty.

Correct.

Maltese Falcon
09-11-2009, 1:49 PM
Done -- Faxed my guy. I will keep a close eye on him from now on.

leitung
09-11-2009, 1:55 PM
e-mails done, start pounding the governor next.. I think he is in a vetoing mood right now sence he vetoed AB 264.

Get on it, I am.. dont let em rest..

ojisan
09-11-2009, 1:58 PM
I just got this update as part of response to the earlier mails I sent:

After a push by the democratic leadership in the State Senate, Assembly Bill 962 and Senate Bill 585 passed yesterday afternoon with the bare-minimum 21 votes. No member of the Senate Republican Caucus voted to pass either bill.
Assembly Bill 962 (De Leon), a bill relating to ammunition, is similar to Assembly Bill 2062 (2008) and Assembly Bill 362 (2007) by the same author. AB 962 passed the full Assembly on June 3 by a vote of 42-31 and was passed by the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. The bill will return to the Assembly for a concurrence vote.
AB 962 is a far-reaching measure which implements extensive reporting and record-keeping requirements for all licensed gun dealers who sell handgun ammunition. The bill also requires handgun ammunition sales to occur in face-to-face transactions, effectively prohibiting internet sales to residents of California. The requirements listed in this measure are impractical and would do more to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than deter criminals. Prior versions of the bill outlawed the transfer of more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in a month; however, that provision was removed from the final version of the bill. I voted against AB 962 when it came before me.
Senate Bill 585 (Leno), a bill which would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. The language in SB 585 is virtually identical to the final language contained in Assembly Bill 2498 (Leno) from the 2007-08 legislative session and would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco.
SB 585 is an effort to allow the City and/or County of San Francisco to discriminate against legitimate gun show participants and vendors who must comply with stringent state regulations affecting licensing, sales, background checks, liability and other provisions of state law governing gun shows, although the property in question is owned by the state, not the county. SB 585 passed from the Assembly on September 9 by a vote of 45 to 33, and passed from the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. I voted against this bill when it came before me.
Both of these bills will likely be headed to the Governor’s desk for either his signature or veto. It is my recommendation that you contact Governor Schwarzenegger’s office to express your displeasure with these two measures. He can be reached at 916-445-2841.
My commitment to protecting the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens remains strong. I continue to oppose legislation that will negatively impact gun rights in the State of California.
Sincerely,
DAVE COX
Senator, First District

jvquattro
09-11-2009, 1:59 PM
Emails and phone calls out. Got some responses. Here is one of them:

Dear Jay,



Thank you for taking the time to contact my office regarding our mutual gun rights in California. First, let me be clear - I am an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I do not support AB 962 and opposed it on the Assembly Floor.



I believe AB 962 puts more limitations on the rights of legal gun owners. This bill will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or dangerous people living in our communities. Limiting the transfer or sale of ammunition to 50 rounds per month, the equivalent of one box of handgun ammunition, will have a devastating impact on legal firearms retailers. Average sales volumes regularly exceed the proposed limit, which would subject the majority of firearms business owners to a new set of bureaucratic rules and regulations regarding licensure, storage and sale procedures. This would force many small businesses that rely on ammunition sales as their primary revenue to incur additional costs in order to comply with the provisions of AB 962. As one may guess, such costs would definitely be passed along to the consumer. This burdensome and unnecessary regulation would drive a sizable number of retailers out of business altogether.



Further, AB 962 would hinder the ability of law abiding citizens to transfer ownership of ammunition between private parties such as family members by requiring individuals to be licensed by the Department of Justice if the 50-round thresholds are exceeded.



This outrageous proposal adds yet another layer of red tape where appropriate regulation already exists and infringes further upon individual freedoms of every California citizens’ Right to Bear Arms.



I truly appreciate you taking the time to make your voice heard – I stand with you on this issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me or my staff at (949) 347-7301 if I may be of further service.



Sincerely,

DIANE L. HARKEY

Assemblywoman, 73rd District

Maltese Falcon
09-11-2009, 2:02 PM
Done -- Faxed my guy. I will keep a close eye on him from now on.

D***it, dude voted aye the first time. Okay, no Christmas for him. On to the Gov!!!

freonr22
09-11-2009, 2:05 PM
Had a long conversation with a staffer at Feurer's office. We went back and forth, but the bottom line is he's going to vote for it. !^#$@

Nevermore
09-11-2009, 2:07 PM
Been putting paper in front of both my state Senator and Assemblycritter throughout this process. Just sent another fax to the Assemblyman, but I'm not at all sanguine that he's going to vote no.

halifax
09-11-2009, 2:12 PM
Been putting paper in front of both my state Senator and Assemblycritter throughout this process. Just sent another fax to the Assemblyman, but I'm not at all sanguine that he's going to vote no.

I can tell by their lack of ANY response to my emails which way they are going to vote :mad:

natasha69
09-11-2009, 2:13 PM
just called joan buchanan's office. the girl there replied "oh ok, bye". i had to force her to take my name and that i was opposed.

jdberger
09-11-2009, 2:18 PM
Cox and Harkey are doing a good job of actually answering emails.

Fax time.

Legasat
09-11-2009, 2:22 PM
After a push by the democratic leadership in the State Senate, Assembly Bill 962 and Senate Bill 585 passed yesterday afternoon with the bare-minimum 21 votes. No member of the Senate Republican Caucus voted to pass either bill.

Assembly Bill 962 (De Leon), a bill relating to ammunition, is similar to Assembly Bill 2062 (2008) and Assembly Bill 362 (2007) by the same author. AB 962 passed the full Assembly on June 3 by a vote of 42-31 and was passed by the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. The bill will return to the Assembly for a concurrence vote.

AB 962 is a far-reaching measure which implements extensive reporting and record-keeping requirements for all licensed gun dealers who sell handgun ammunition. The bill also requires handgun ammunition sales to occur in face-to-face transactions, effectively prohibiting internet sales to residents of California. The requirements listed in this measure are impractical and would do more to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than deter criminals. Prior versions of the bill outlawed the transfer of more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in a month; however, that provision was removed from the final version of the bill. I voted against AB 962 when it came before me.

Senate Bill 585 (Leno), a bill which would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. The language in SB 585 is virtually identical to the final language contained in Assembly Bill 2498 (Leno) from the 2007-08 legislative session and would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco.

SB 585 is an effort to allow the City and/or County of San Francisco to discriminate against legitimate gun show participants and vendors who must comply with stringent state regulations affecting licensing, sales, background checks, liability and other provisions of state law governing gun shows, although the property in question is owned by the state, not the county. SB 585 passed from the Assembly on September 9 by a vote of 45 to 33, and passed from the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. I voted against this bill when it came before me.

Both of these bills will likely be headed to the Governor’s desk for either his signature or veto. It is my recommendation that you contact Governor Schwarzenegger’s office to express your displeasure with these two measures. He can be reached at 916-445-2841.

My commitment to protecting the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens remains strong. I continue to oppose legislation that will negatively impact gun rights in the State of California.

Sincerely,

DAVE COX
Senator, First District

Spyder
09-11-2009, 2:41 PM
I went to here: http://cssrc.us/web/4/contact_us.aspx AND THERE'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION TO TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE on the dropdown "select an issue" menu . WTF?!?!

Flopper
09-11-2009, 2:42 PM
Cox and Harkey are doing a good job of actually answering emails.

Fax time.

+1

Can't speak for Harkey, but Cox actually had a good reply. It was still a form reply, but at least he directs his staff to reply to the relevant issue at hand, instead of the usual, "We have so many requests for correspondence that we can only respond to our constituents."

Anyway, I'd be proud to have Cox as my rep.

Josh3239
09-11-2009, 2:53 PM
Got the same email. It looks like I'll be writing a couple of letter to Gov. Schwarzenegger.

After a push by the democratic leadership in the State Senate, Assembly Bill 962 and Senate Bill 585 passed yesterday afternoon with the bare-minimum 21 votes. No member of the Senate Republican Caucus voted to pass either bill.

Assembly Bill 962 (De Leon), a bill relating to ammunition, is similar to Assembly Bill 2062 (2008) and Assembly Bill 362 (2007) by the same author. AB 962 passed the full Assembly on June 3 by a vote of 42-31 and was passed by the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. The bill will return to the Assembly for a concurrence vote.

AB 962 is a far-reaching measure which implements extensive reporting and record-keeping requirements for all licensed gun dealers who sell handgun ammunition. The bill also requires handgun ammunition sales to occur in face-to-face transactions, effectively prohibiting internet sales to residents of California. The requirements listed in this measure are impractical and would do more to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than deter criminals. Prior versions of the bill outlawed the transfer of more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in a month; however, that provision was removed from the final version of the bill. I voted against AB 962 when it came before me.

Senate Bill 585 (Leno), a bill which would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. The language in SB 585 is virtually identical to the final language contained in Assembly Bill 2498 (Leno) from the 2007-08 legislative session and would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco.

SB 585 is an effort to allow the City and/or County of San Francisco to discriminate against legitimate gun show participants and vendors who must comply with stringent state regulations affecting licensing, sales, background checks, liability and other provisions of state law governing gun shows, although the property in question is owned by the state, not the county. SB 585 passed from the Assembly on September 9 by a vote of 45 to 33, and passed from the Senate on September 10 by a vote of 21 to 18. I voted against this bill when it came before me.

Both of these bills will likely be headed to the Governor’s desk for either his signature or veto. It is my recommendation that you contact Governor Schwarzenegger’s office to express your displeasure with these two measures. He can be reached at 916-445-2841.

My commitment to protecting the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens remains strong. I continue to oppose legislation that will negatively impact gun rights in the State of California.

Sincerely,

DAVE COX
Senator, First District

bodger
09-11-2009, 2:59 PM
So, that makes it right?

ANYTHING makes it right! They are systematically removing our RTKB and our right to defend ourselves from the very criminals they protect.

Screw 'em. They are lucky we're only lying to them considering what they are doing to us.

johnny_22
09-11-2009, 3:05 PM
They first made sure I was in his district by asking the Zip Code. I volunteered the city and state as well, so they would pay attention.

Whiskey84
09-11-2009, 3:21 PM
I emailed Joan Buchanan, but I've never called a politician before and am a little nervous (which is odd because I'm not a shy person). Any pointers?

hoffmang
09-11-2009, 3:28 PM
I emailed Joan Buchanan, but I've never called a politician before and am a little nervous (which is odd because I'm not a shy person). Any pointers?

You'll talk to a staffer. Assume they're a customer service line and you'll be fine. All you need to do is make it clear that where you're from, which bill you want to opine on, and that you suggest that the Member vote no.

They'll take that info and say thank you.

-Gene

obeygiant
09-11-2009, 3:29 PM
I emailed Joan Buchanan, but I've never called a politician before and am a little nervous (which is odd because I'm not a shy person). Any pointers?

It's real easy....

Hi, my name is Whiskey84 and I was calling to find out if Assemblymember _________ will be opposing AB962.


They respond with ' What bill was that?'

You respond with 'AB962, the ammo bill'

They respond with Assemblymember__________________ has not declared or decided his/her position on this bill.

You respond with "can I be added to the Opposition list"

They respond ' sure, what is your name?'

You respond 'Whiskey84 and my zip code is 9XXXX' (make sure it is within their district)

They respond with 'Ok, I will make sure the Assemblymember gets your opinion on this matter'

Hang up and call the next one.

Swiss
09-11-2009, 3:35 PM
Is there a link to the Pro and Undeclared Assemblymembers floating around, with phone numbers?

Whiskey84
09-11-2009, 3:35 PM
You'll talk to a staffer. Assume they're a customer service line and you'll be fine. All you need to do is make it clear that where you're from, which bill you want to opine on, and that you suggest that the Member vote no.

They'll take that info and say thank you.

-Gene

Thanks. I just wasn't sure what to expect. Spoke with the staffer and passed along my thoughts.

nick
09-11-2009, 4:06 PM
Emailed them again, about to start calling them. Wish anyone would publicly asked them if they're ignorant, or intellectually dishonest. I don't see who else can support bills like this.

45mike
09-11-2009, 4:17 PM
This is where the rubber meets the road, if we don't come togather and stop this we will all be criminals. I have been calling all day and have gotten through evertime thats not a good sign. We need to be a pain in thier *** in order to stop this CALL CALL CALL especially the govenor!!!!!

Swiss
09-11-2009, 4:19 PM
I took ObeyGiants list and stripped out the Republican Caucus...let me know if there are any errors.

File As Business Phone Business Fax
Ammiano, Tom (916) 319-2013 (916) 319-2113
Arambula, Juan (916) 319-2031 (916) 319-2131
Bass, Karen (916) 319-2047 (916) 319-2147
Beall, Jim Jr. (916) 319-2024 (916) 319-2124
Block, Marty (916) 319-2078 (916) 319-2178
Blumenfield, Bob (916) 319-2040 (916) 319-2140
Brownley, Julia (916) 319-2041 (916) 319-2141
Buchanan, Joan (916) 319-2015 (916) 319-2115
Caballero, Anna M. (916) 319-2028 (916) 319-2128
Calderon, Charles M. (916) 319-2058 (916) 319-2158
Carter, Wilmer Amina (916) 319-2062 (916) 319-2162
Chesbro, Wesley (916) 319-2001 (916) 319-2101
Coto, Joe (916) 319-2023 (916) 319-2123
Davis, Mike (916) 319-2048 (916) 319-2148
De La Torre, Hector (916) 319-2050 (916) 319-2150
de Leon, Kevin (916) 319-2045 (916) 319-2145
Duvall, Michael D. (916) 319-2072 (916) 319-2172
Eng, Mike (916) 319-2049 (916) 319-2149
Evans, Noreen (916) 319-2007 (916) 319-2107
Feuer, Mike (916) 319-2042 (916) 319-2142
Fong, Paul (916) 319-2022 (916) 319-2122
Fuentes, Felipe (916) 319-2039 (916) 319-2139
Furutani, Warren T. (916) 319-2055 (916) 319-2155
Galgiani, Cathleen (916) 319-2017 (916) 319-2117
Hall, Isadore III (916) 319-2052 (916) 319-2152
Hayashi, Mary (916) 319-2018 (916) 319-2118
Hernandez, Edward P. (916) 319-2057 (916) 319-2157
Hill, Jerry (916) 319-2019 (916) 319-2119
Huber, Alyson (916) 319-2010 (916) 319-2110
Huffman, Jared (916) 319-2006 (916) 319-2106
Jones, Dave (916) 319-2009 (916) 319-2109
Krekorian, Paul (916) 319-2043 (916) 319-2143
Lieu, Ted W. (916) 319-2053 (916) 319-2153
Lowenthal, Bonnie (916) 319-2054 (916) 319-2154
Ma, Fiona (916) 319-2012 (916) 319-2112
Mendoza, Tony (916) 319-2056 (916) 319-2156
Monning, William W. (916) 319-2027 (916) 319-2127
Nava, Pedro (916) 319-2035 (916) 319-2135
Pérez, V. Manuel (916) 319-2080 (916) 319-2180
Pérez, John A. (916) 319-2046 (916) 319-2146
Portantino, Anthony J. (916) 319-2044 (916) 319-2144
Price, Curren D. Jr. (916) 319-2051 (916) 445-8899
Ruskin, Ira (916) 319-2021 (916) 319-2121
Salas, Mary (916) 319-2079 (916) 319-2179
Saldaña, Lori (916) 319-2076 (916) 319-2176
Skinner, Nancy (916) 319-2014 (916) 319-2114
Solorio, Jose (916) 319-2069 (916) 319-2169
Swanson, Sandre R. (916) 319-2016 (916) 319-2116
Torlakson, Tom (916) 319-2011 (916) 319-2111
Torres, Norma J. (916) 319-2061 (916) 319-2161
Torrico, Alberto (916) 319-2020 (916) 319-2120
Yamada, Mariko (916) 319-2008 (916) 319-2108

Vectrexer
09-11-2009, 4:30 PM
Called them again today and registered my opposition as well as my desire to have them oppose AB962.

For Pacifica:

Senator
District Number 19
Leland Yess
Capitol Office
State Capitol, Room 4074
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4008


San Mateo Office
400 South El Camino Real, Suite 630
San Mateo, CA 94402
Phone: (650) 340-8840


Assembly Member
District Number 19
Jerry Hill
Office:
1528 South El Camino Real
Suite 302
San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 349-1900


Capitol Office
State Capitol
Room 4146
Sacramento, CA
94249-0019
(916) 319-2019

pdq_wizzard
09-11-2009, 5:11 PM
OK I don't understand, it is not on the doc for today???
will they just bring it up at the end?

motorhead
09-11-2009, 5:14 PM
yes, inquiring minds want to know.

motorhead
09-11-2009, 5:32 PM
they're presenting arguments right now. live audio.
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/committee_hearings/defaulttext.asp

G17GUY
09-11-2009, 5:41 PM
they're presenting arguments right now. live audio.
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/committee_hearings/defaulttext.asp

I can't get it to work?

pdq_wizzard
09-11-2009, 5:44 PM
I can't get it to work?

me ether

motorhead
09-11-2009, 5:47 PM
click on floor session at the top of the page.

motorhead
09-11-2009, 5:56 PM
concurrence, 41-31. time to hit arnold, HARD!.

nick
09-11-2009, 5:58 PM
Time to write Arnold. Damn bastards.

joefrank64k
09-11-2009, 6:06 PM
The only ray of light is this:

Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries,
transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:

(6) Persons licensed as collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto whose licensed
premises are within this state who has a current certificate of
eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice
pursuant to Section 12071.

Sub (a) is the provision effectively banning internet sales...so it's time for everyone to get their 03 FFL and COE...and BOMBARD the Governor!!!

themethod
09-11-2009, 10:51 PM
I've sent Arnold email opposing this already and am going to call his office as well... I received an email from senator cox earlier today regarding the situation and it sounded like the gov is our last hope to stop this. :(