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mtsul
09-10-2009, 10:57 PM
How many of you open carry (OC) at least a few days a week or a month? and how many have been stoped by LEO's and checked to see if it was loaded and let you be? or talked to for a long time or taken in (only say stuff it was/is totally legal please)
because the more I think about it the more mad i get we are freaked out to take are guns out or open carry (OC) I mean it's our right why should we look over are back every time we go to the range or let family go shooting ( for less than 2 weeks)
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Im sure this has been said a few 1,000,000,000,000ect times

Im sure its a noob question but I just wanted to ask it but what I really want is your storys of being stoped by LEOs and what happend next?

IM NOT TRYING TO P1SS ANYONE OFF OR ANYTHING SORRY IF THERE IS MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT ANY OF THIS

God Bless The Mauser
09-10-2009, 11:05 PM
I got a few looks when I was carrying a M1 Garand around a casino.

pullnshoot25
09-10-2009, 11:11 PM
I have a whole blog full of stories if you care to read them all.

See my sig line.

artherd
09-10-2009, 11:11 PM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/facepalm.jpg

technique
09-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Yikes man.....

Literally thousands of posts here for and opposed UOC.

Some of us would rather fight for shall issue CCW. Some also feel UOC may hurt our fight for shall issue CCW.

FreedomIsNotFree
09-10-2009, 11:18 PM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/facepalm.jpg

Your timing is impeccable. haha.

Scratch705
09-10-2009, 11:57 PM
well hopefully my class speech on the open carry movement won't be freaking anyone out, hoping to get a few converts. young adults of today need to be educated on our gun rights, for we will carry the fight in the future.

(no guns would be displayed... i am on school property...)

cbn620
09-11-2009, 1:17 AM
I don't think you're going to convince anyone with "I mean it's are right why should we look over are back every time we go to the range." I don't mean to sound pompous or like a grammar nazi, but for real, read the arguments on both sides of the issue. They are everywhere on this site, and there are such great and well written points being made. Even if you correctly used "our" in your post it's a poor argument that doesn't hold much weight on its own, in such rhetorical and simplistic a way.

You are kind of going up against heavyweights when you come onto this site. There are some very larger-than-life people who post here on a daily basis, people who have made successful argumentation for 2nd amendment rights in some of the highest courts in California if not the country. You should really get your points down and do some preparation if you want to be taken seriously. Anything below standards elicits nothing but facepalms and rightly so.

Theseus
09-11-2009, 1:22 AM
How many of you open carry (OC) at least a few days a week or a month? and how many have been stoped by LEO's and checked to see if it was loaded and let you be? or talked to for a long time or taken in (only say stuff it was/is totally legal please)
because the more I think about it the more mad i get we are freaked out to take are guns out or open carry (OC) I mean it's are right why should we look over are back every time we go to the range or let family go shooting ( for less than 2 weeks)
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Im sure this has been said a few 1,000,000,000,000ect times

I am not completely sure I understnad your question. But in case this helps...

Before I stopped open carrying I did so about every day for about 6 months.

I have OC'd in my local banks, grocery stores, yogurt shops, restaurants, malls, shoping centers, theaters, a bar, wife's work, convenience stores, gas stations, mechanics, laundry mat, even when I voted back in November.

Of all those locations and the some 180 days of open carrying I only know of 3 times when police were called on me.

Of those three times I have been detained twice. The third I managed to get out of there before the police had managed to gather and come in. I was simply fortunate to have left at the time.

Of those two detentions, both I was "checked" and released to go.

Because of one of those detentions I was charged with possession of a firearm near a school.

The only business I have ever been asked to leave was after over an hour of being there, a Chuck E Cheese's where my daughter and the neighbors kid were playing.

Many open carriers can go for months, sometimes years before having any interactions with police.

My true feeling is that OC doesn't shock the public as much as we think. In person.

I believe that the true activity is caused by the press when they get a hold of it and then people that were not even there that are anti can't believe it and start calling or reacting.

In my personal experience most people are at least neutral or interested when I carried. I can't tell you how many hundreds of pamphlets I distributed when I carried. And I don't mean I just handed them out to anyone. . . only people that were interested to get them.

In the first month I had to replace the ink on my printer 3 times from printing them.

Now, take that into consideration and the idea that I am still facing the charges, am now over $20K in debt to my lawyer. . . There are risks.

Fortunately, to my knowledge, I am the only member of open carry in the State of California that has been charged with an open carry related charge.

But also keep in mind that I am no longer carrying. I stopped back in December when I found out I was being charged. Other than the occassional blue moon event like the Nordyke party or the recent OC event at Bass Pro Shops I am not open carrying.

I hope that answers your question.

Beelzy
09-11-2009, 6:11 AM
Ouch!

yellowfin
09-11-2009, 6:58 AM
Never did OC in CA, but have in Arizona, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Virginia, and Pennsylvania all without problems. Might go to Ohio in a month or two and OC there.

M9Man
09-11-2009, 7:14 AM
A friend of mine just bought his new CCW gun... just kidding :p
http://californiahuntingtoday.com/hogblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/tripleaction50bmg1.jpg

mtsul
09-11-2009, 9:31 AM
Im not looking to debate the topic I just want storys the part that sounded like it was a rant:79:

Blackhawk556
09-11-2009, 9:42 AM
Ouch!

DOUBLE OUCH:eek::eek:

man I would love to carry but running the risk of getting into $20k debt kills the desire, that's exactly what the antis want though

wildhawker
09-11-2009, 10:42 AM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/facepalm.jpg

I motion to adopt this image as the official image of this thread.

Theseus
09-11-2009, 10:44 AM
What? I think he asked. . . I honestly am not clear what he is saying. . . I think he is speaking some language I am just not able to fully comprehend. . .

Meplat
09-11-2009, 10:45 AM
even when I voted back in November.


:eek: I thought polling places where a big NO-NO!

Can you enlighten me on this? Any one else who knows feel free to jump in.:)

P. S. Triple OUTCH!! And thank you for your sacrifice.

Meplat
09-11-2009, 10:52 AM
I motion to adopt this image as the official image of this thread.

I farther move that it be adopted as the official image of all UOC threads regardless of ones' position.

510shooter510
09-11-2009, 11:05 AM
:DThe grammar errors throughout this thread may reveal the problem with it.

Lancear15
09-11-2009, 11:07 AM
:DThe grammar errors throughout this thread may reveal the problem with it.

What do you expect from the intranet.

motorhead
09-11-2009, 11:58 AM
it appears the op is doing a class project on UOC and wants specific incidents to present as examples. my story of the armed robber in the biker bar would not qualify.

dantodd
09-11-2009, 12:14 PM
If what motorhead suspects is the case you can find lots of stories at Nate's website and the open carry dedicated websites.

A brief visit of this subforum should have clued you in to the reason starting ANOTHER UOC thread, particularly one as open-ended as this one is ill-advised.

Theseus
09-11-2009, 12:27 PM
:eek: I thought polling places where a big NO-NO!

Can you enlighten me on this? Any one else who knows feel free to jump in.:)

P. S. Triple OUTCH!! And thank you for your sacrifice.

I will dig it up, but the laws preventing firearms at polling places are restrictions on government agents. I don't think it is important to spell out why.

Ifticar
09-11-2009, 1:02 PM
"My true feeling is that OC doesn't shock the public as much as we think."

Whenever I see an OC, I assume that the person is a LEO. This is especially true if the OC guy has a big belly and is wearing a dirty wife beater and has an attitude.

Meplat
09-11-2009, 1:12 PM
While the OP, fore whatever reason, seems not to have a very strong command of the English language, lack of education can be fixed, stupidity canít.

Helping a potential ally to learn to better express himself through constructive criticism, in an atmosphere of respect and dignity is smart.

Condescending contempt and rejection, is stupid.

Liberty1
09-11-2009, 7:31 PM
While the OP, fore whatever reason, seems not to have a very strong command of the English language, lack of education can be fixed, stupidity canít.

Helping a potential ally to learn to better express himself through constructive criticism, in an atmosphere of respect and dignity is smart.

Condescending contempt and rejection, is stupid.

I agree! :)

KylaGWolf
09-11-2009, 7:45 PM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/facepalm.jpg

I couldn't have said that one better myself.

bodger
09-11-2009, 7:47 PM
I am not completely sure I understnad your question. But in case this helps...

Before I stopped open carrying I did so about every day for about 6 months.

I have OC'd in my local banks, grocery stores, yogurt shops, restaurants, malls, shoping centers, theaters, a bar, wife's work, convenience stores, gas stations, mechanics, laundry mat, even when I voted back in November.

Of all those locations and the some 180 days of open carrying I only know of 3 times when police were called on me.

Of those three times I have been detained twice. The third I managed to get out of there before the police had managed to gather and come in. I was simply fortunate to have left at the time.

Of those two detentions, both I was "checked" and released to go.

Because of one of those detentions I was charged with possession of a firearm near a school.

The only business I have ever been asked to leave was after over an hour of being there, a Chuck E Cheese's where my daughter and the neighbors kid were playing.

Many open carriers can go for months, sometimes years before having any interactions with police.

My true feeling is that OC doesn't shock the public as much as we think. In person.

I believe that the true activity is caused by the press when they get a hold of it and then people that were not even there that are anti can't believe it and start calling or reacting.

In my personal experience most people are at least neutral or interested when I carried. I can't tell you how many hundreds of pamphlets I distributed when I carried. And I don't mean I just handed them out to anyone. . . only people that were interested to get them.

In the first month I had to replace the ink on my printer 3 times from printing them.

Now, take that into consideration and the idea that I am still facing the charges, am now over $20K in debt to my lawyer. . . There are risks.

Fortunately, to my knowledge, I am the only member of open carry in the State of California that has been charged with an open carry related charge.

But also keep in mind that I am no longer carrying. I stopped back in December when I found out I was being charged. Other than the occassional blue moon event like the Nordyke party or the recent OC event at Bass Pro Shops I am not open carrying.

I hope that answers your question.

This is going a bit off topic Theseus, but how did you manage to ascertain that you were out of the 1000' school zones? I realize your charge resulted from a stretch of that definition, but with that frequency of UOC, how did you keep from running afoul of the school zone?

How to effectively do that should be one of the things that any UOCer should be able to do at all times.

KylaGWolf
09-11-2009, 7:48 PM
I motion to adopt this image as the official image of this thread.

I second that motion

KylaGWolf
09-11-2009, 7:53 PM
I farther move that it be adopted as the official image of all UOC threads regardless of ones' position.

Now I wouldn't go that far. Some of that UOC...although not at the moment since we had stood down even before asked. Some of us don't even think of UOC as a game or something to do because it is cool or its our right.

KylaGWolf
09-11-2009, 8:01 PM
This is going a bit off topic Theseus, but how did you manage to ascertain that you were out of the 1000' school zones? I realize your charge resulted from a stretch of that definition, but with that frequency of UOC, how did you keep from running afoul of the school zone?

How to effectively do that should be one of the things that any UOCer should be able to do at all times.

The way you avoid going in to the school zones is to do the research and legwork before you go out to make sure your not going to violate it. I know there are some that say that doing this research is stupid but I have to disagree. I figure if I do the checking and then get told I am violation I have proof that I could not have reasonably known there was a school there since I did (fill in blank) and (fill in blank) to know where the schools are and there was no such school showing in the research. Yes I know its supposed to be innocent before guilt but it can also be said the DA can make it look as if you knew even if you didn't so best to be as sure as you can before you open carry.

Theseus
09-11-2009, 11:46 PM
This is going a bit off topic Theseus, but how did you manage to ascertain that you were out of the 1000' school zones? I realize your charge resulted from a stretch of that definition, but with that frequency of UOC, how did you keep from running afoul of the school zone?

How to effectively do that should be one of the things that any UOCer should be able to do at all times.

Take note that since I was charged doing it my way that it is no longer considered by some to be "safe". I still think it is because my case is political. As long as they think they have me they won't try it on anyone else. . . But keep in mind what others think and determine your own level of risk threshold.

For about a week before I began open carrying I tried to notice if I could see visible signs of schools, such as signs, buildings, or other clear indications a place was a school. As a result I learned that there were a lot more schools than I could have ever imagined! So then I started driving just to find alternate routes and finding more schools.

I then resolved myself that there were too many schools to trust driving around in my car open carry and transported my handgun in a fully enclosed locked container. This would exempt me from 626.9 wherever I was driving in the car.

Since 626.9 exempts people from enforcement of 626.9 on private property, within a business, and within a residence I determined that it didn't matter if there was a school in the area as long as I never carried on public property. I would arrive in the private property parking lot and then remove the handgun from the case and put it into the holster and go about my business.

When I was done with my business I would return the handgun into the locked case and then go to my next destination.

As long as I never came off private property I was ok.

By following what was the letter of the law, it seemed perfectly clear that I was safe. O mean, who would imagine that someone would not not know what "private property" is, especially a judge!?

mtsul
09-12-2009, 12:04 AM
sorry Its all on my phone i only go home once a month i live in irvine for work so i have to use my phone to post and I want storys of you OC
I dont know why you all have to make fun of spelling and grammer its on my phone and its junky so yea thanks for anything helpful you guys said and its like all things you take the good with the bad so thanks guys cal guns is the best and remember help your brothers on calguns dont make fun of them and tell them they are stupid tell them they are wrong and show them how to fix it, well thanks for all the post

bodger
09-12-2009, 12:19 AM
The way you avoid going in to the school zones is to do the research and legwork before you go out to make sure your not going to violate it. I know there are some that say that doing this research is stupid but I have to disagree. I figure if I do the checking and then get told I am violation I have proof that I could not have reasonably known there was a school there since I did (fill in blank) and (fill in blank) to know where the schools are and there was no such school showing in the research. Yes I know its supposed to be innocent before guilt but it can also be said the DA can make it look as if you knew even if you didn't so best to be as sure as you can before you open carry.

Sure, for me, means running a laser measuring device from the edge of the school property (if that can even be reliably determined) to where I intend to be if I was to UOC. I mean GPS accurate. I do not want to spend 40K because I open carried and got nailed by the very thing that is clearly designed to thwart it.

Take note that since I was charged doing it my way that it is no longer considered by some to be "safe". I still think it is because my case is political. As long as they think they have me they won't try it on anyone else. . . But keep in mind what others think and determine your own level of risk threshold.

For about a week before I began open carrying I tried to notice if I could see visible signs of schools, such as signs, buildings, or other clear indications a place was a school. As a result I learned that there were a lot more schools than I could have ever imagined! So then I started driving just to find alternate routes and finding more schools.

I then resolved myself that there were too many schools to trust driving around in my car open carry and transported my handgun in a fully enclosed locked container. This would exempt me from 626.9 wherever I was driving in the car.

Since 626.9 exempts people from enforcement of 626.9 on private property, within a business, and within a residence I determined that it didn't matter if there was a school in the area as long as I never carried on public property. I would arrive in the private property parking lot and then remove the handgun from the case and put it into the holster and go about my business.

When I was done with my business I would return the handgun into the locked case and then go to my next destination.

As long as I never came off private property I was ok.

By following what was the letter of the law, it seemed perfectly clear that I was safe. O mean, who would imagine that someone would not not know what "private property" is, especially a judge!?

All I know about your case is what I have read on CG and the open carry site.
Every aspect of it seems like complete crap to me. They wanted a UOCer head on a pike and yours was the closest one at the time.

That DA should have a look at the crime statistics in free states where LOC is legal and commonplace, and CCW is considered a right if you qualify.

How many gangbangers are NOT getting prosecuted because this DA dips**t wants to burn time making an example out of you?

I'm in rant mode tonight because I'm pissed about AB962.
I'm really starting to not want to deal with this nanny state horsecrap anymore.

yellowfin
09-12-2009, 6:07 AM
That DA needs to be looking at unemployment.

dirtnap
09-12-2009, 8:06 AM
While the OP, fore whatever reason, seems not to have a very strong command of the English language, lack of education can be fixed, stupidity canít.

Helping a potential ally to learn to better express himself through constructive criticism, in an atmosphere of respect and dignity is smart.

Condescending contempt and rejection, is stupid.

This.

Whiskey_Sauer
09-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Im sure this has been said a few 1,000,000,000,000ect times


What's 1,000,000,000,001 posts among friends?

tazmanian devil dog
09-12-2009, 12:11 PM
I motion to adopt this image as the official image of this thread.

Good grief!!

KylaGWolf
09-12-2009, 5:49 PM
Bodger well for the most part GPS is accurate...but when I was taking a geology class in college we used GPS to map out the campus...we found out after doing the mapping that it was off in some cases by almost 100 feet. But yeah it is an option to help and then just make sure to leave yourself a cushion to as your location and all should be fine. Although with them changing the law to 1500 feet soon it could cause another new set of headaches for figuring things out.

As for Open carry stories. Your best bet would be Nate. Yes I have been stopped only once. The officers involved got training. I will say this anytime you open carry you run the risk of getting stopped. To me it just seems smart to be as prepared as possible.

Theseus I still think the judge in your case is slightly loony. What I find funny is when someone hit my car in a parking lot I got told sorry we can't come there it is private property. Come down to the station and file a report. So makes me wonder if it is only subjective when it comes to private property. I can bet you now that if they told me that I would call them on the bs.

mtsul
09-16-2009, 7:36 AM
it appears the op is doing a class project on UOC and wants specific incidents to present as examples. my story of the armed robber in the biker bar would not qualify.

Yea that is more or less what im doing, Thanks

hawk84
09-16-2009, 7:59 PM
How many of you open carry (OC) at least a few days a week or a month? and how many have been stoped by LEO's and checked to see if it was loaded and let you be? or talked to for a long time or taken in (only say stuff it was/is totally legal please)
because the more I think about it the more mad i get we are freaked out to take are guns out or open carry (OC) I mean it's our right why should we look over are back every time we go to the range or let family go shooting ( for less than 2 weeks)
\
Im sure this has been said a few 1,000,000,000,000ect times

Im sure its a noob question but I just wanted to ask it but what I really want is your storys of being stoped by LEOs and what happend next?

IM NOT TRYING TO P1SS ANYONE OFF OR ANYTHING SORRY IF THERE IS MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT ANY OF THIS

i have only done it for extended periods of time in our national forests. noone has every mentioned the gun at all. i have seen some eye it, and a boyscout troop leader talked to me for a little while- never mentioned it specifically but i got the feeling he was trying to see if i was up to no good.

then again, a little while after that a little old lady asked me to take her picture, she didn't seem too concerned at all

i recall the first time i saw a guy open carry, I was 12 in the rockies and on my way back in after 3 days, i saw his sidearm, and at first asked "is that really necessary" - "you're on your own out here" was his reply, sure made my penknife look inadequate...

Capt. Speirs
09-16-2009, 8:06 PM
What do you expect from the intranet.

Isn't it "internet"?:p

loather
09-18-2009, 7:12 AM
Although with them changing the law to 1500 feet soon it could cause another new set of headaches for figuring things out.

AB 662 was not passed by the Senate before the 11 September deadline, so *for now* it's not going to increase to 1500 feet.

That said, it'll undoubtedly come back next session.