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Zwingli
09-07-2009, 1:13 PM
I'm having this debate that probably many of you have had with some people from out of state

basically they're saying that California is a bunch of liberal hippies and they deserve what they get and we shouldn't help them in regards to 2a

I'm trying to argue that if we don't all stick together and help each other look out we're all sunk. Some people forget Harry Reid is from Nevada etc . .

The question I need help with is---I'm betting that the NRA has more membership and gets more of its funding from California than the vast majority of those "other" states. Anyone know where there's some figures on this?

bsim
09-07-2009, 1:25 PM
...basically they're saying that California is a bunch of liberal hippies...It is....and they deserve what they get and we shouldn't help them in regards to 2aThis is where they need help. Look past gun laws - most laws/regulations start here and spread to the other states. Think car emmissions, etc. If they don't stop it here, they WILL get to them eventually.

CA is the front lines...

wildhawker
09-07-2009, 1:31 PM
Wow, bsim, how much of California have you seen? By your ignorant knee-jerk response, I'd say not much. Great job of representing the many tremendous upsides of our state in your post.

Shotgun Man
09-07-2009, 1:41 PM
Wow, bsim, how much of California have you seen? By your ignorant knee-jerk response, I'd say not much. Great job of representing the many tremendous upsides of our state in your post.

Bsim is right. I remember that last election-- the CA economy is in the dumps, were on the verge of bankruptcy, etc.-- Our response? Let's regulate chicken farmers and the amount of space the chickens are provided and further sink the economy. Such nonsense in tough times.

There's very little good to be said about the current CA. I do support the medical mj law though.

Hogxtz
09-07-2009, 1:54 PM
Well lets not group everyone into one class. Berkley, San Fran, L.A, have the thickest concentration of liberal tree huggers, activists, peta's, ect.. But did you know that in El Doarado county it is predominatlety republican, and that most rural areas of Ca are like that? The problem is that the concentration of liberals in the big cities out number us libertarians and republicans making it a Blue state and the liberals are having their way in Goverment, especially with a Gov that has no idea that he is actually a democraper.

Gryff
09-07-2009, 2:14 PM
California didn't elect Obama by itself. Of a Democratically controlled Senate and House.

We may have a liberal majority here, but these idiots need to realize that we all need to stick together or we are all screwed (hang together or hang separately, as the man said).

Personally, I'd love the chance to screw legislators in Illinois or Massachussetts by legally sending something over that they are trying to discourage. I don't know why the NRA doesn't encourage the rest of the country to do something similar with us.

HunterJim
09-07-2009, 2:21 PM
The question I need help with is---I'm betting that the NRA has more membership and gets more of its funding from California than the vast majority of those "other" states. Anyone know where there's some figures on this?

Zwingli,

The last numbers I saw from NRA on membership had California largest at 300,000 members of the 4 million NRA members. If you don't find it on the NRA website, ask them.

And tell them we got this way from all the fruits and nuts from their states moving here. Nancy Pelosi wasn't born here like I was and my parents were.

jim

Californio
09-07-2009, 2:21 PM
I'm having this debate that probably many of you have had with some people from out of state

basically they're saying that California is a bunch of liberal hippies and they deserve what they get and we shouldn't help them in regards to 2a

I'm trying to argue that if we don't all stick together and help each other look out we're all sunk. Some people forget Harry Reid is from Nevada etc . .

The question I need help with is---I'm betting that the NRA has more membership and gets more of its funding from California than the vast majority of those "other" states. Anyone know where there's some figures on this?

Thats when I tell them that my Great-Great Grandfather and other relatives were a Citizens of the Republic of Texas before coming to California in the 1840's. One relative who died in Los Angeles in 1870 as one of the two survivors of the Goliad Massacre, usually shuts them up. Calling all Californians hippies is like calling all people in Massachusetts Kennedy Socialists.

nicki
09-07-2009, 2:37 PM
During World War Two the Russians had their backs against the wall. They dug in at stalingrad and against overwhelming odds, they stood their ground and turned the War around.

The Russian people did their best to keep the resistance alive and because they did, the Germans lost and ultimately it turned the war around.

On the flip side, the some Jews in the Warsaw ghetto stood up and fought.

Despite the fact that the Jews were inflicting heavy losses on the Germans, the Polish underground would not help the Jews.

For people who live outside of California, the issue really comes down to this.

Would they like challenges against gun control in California or would they like challenges in their home states?

Nicki

wash
09-07-2009, 2:40 PM
Bsim is right. I remember that last election-- the CA economy is in the dumps, were on the verge of bankruptcy, etc.-- Our response? Let's regulate chicken farmers and the amount of space the chickens are provided and further sink the economy. Such nonsense in tough times.

There's very little good to be said about the current CA. I do support the medical mj law though.
I was actually involved in a focus group about the chicken coup law.

It was just a reaction to that downer cow video from the slaughter house. Of course it had no regulations for downer cows or slaughter houses. It legislated larger cages but the funny thing is that the industry has been voluntarily moving toward larger cages for the last several years, replacing worn out or damaged cages with the bigger new cages. The only thing the law did was force farmers to change them all sooner. I'm sure some of the farmers didn't have the money to do it and then you have less eggs being produced and prices go up.

The motivation isn't about animal cruelty. It was driven by people that want meat and eggs and all animal products to be illegal. Radical vegetarians, I'm not kidding.

It was a dumb law. I told my parents and any one else that would listen, then after election day I asked my parents how they voted. They voted for the retarded law.

My parents aren't dumb but they are susceptible to media influence and they bit. I should have reminded them closer to the election.

They also voted the wrong way on prop. 8. In my mind, marriage is a tax issue but it shouldn't be. If Adam and Steve want to play house, they shouldn't get a tax break. Adam and Eve shouldn't either. If they made the deductions for dependent children a lot higher and ditched the tax break for married filing jointly, then the taxes would make sense and then we'll see how many people (gay and straight) want to get married for the right reasons.

HondaMasterTech
09-07-2009, 3:12 PM
No debate. California is an example of pure waste. Taxes are thrown away on tons of programs which encourage a lack of personal responsibility. Crime rates are horrible. California sucks.

mblat
09-07-2009, 4:08 PM
No debate. California is an example of pure waste. Taxes are thrown away on tons of programs which encourage a lack of personal responsibility. Crime rates are horrible. California sucks.

You are right of cause..... but I just came back from the beach....... kind of reminded me WHY living in California is so good.....

VW*Mike
09-07-2009, 4:13 PM
No debate. California is an example of pure waste. Taxes are thrown away on tons of programs which encourage a lack of personal responsibility. Crime rates are horrible. California sucks.

Yup. I will fight while I'm here though. I think the tide may be reversing. Too early to tell.

bodger
09-07-2009, 4:18 PM
It is.This is where they need help. Look past gun laws - most laws/regulations start here and spread to the other states. Think car emmissions, etc. If they don't stop it here, they WILL get to them eventually.

CA is the front lines...


Sounds like the Domino Theory to me.

Not many folks are willing to buy into that after what happened the last time it was touted as a reason to fight.

forgiven
09-07-2009, 5:34 PM
But our weather is great.:rolleyes:

radioman
09-07-2009, 6:07 PM
Thats when I tell them that my Great-Great Grandfather and other relatives were a Citizens of the Republic of Texas before coming to California in the 1840's. One relative who died in Los Angeles in 1870 as one of the two survivors of the Goliad Massacre, usually shuts them up. Calling all Californians hippies is like calling all people in Massachusetts Kennedy Socialists.

My relatives came to California in the 1870's and I come from a long line Democrats, I just left the party last month, what we call liberals are not, they are in fact fools. there is so much crap they come up with, I won't vote for, this state has gone to hell, my family is from San Francisco, it was once a good city to be from, now the f*gs have taken it over, and fools not liberals run it, it's good to have a left and right, that is how we steer, without two points we would be out of control. but we are all sol with fools at the helm, calguns has put more in to fighting for our rights then the nra, that's just a fact. as long fools vote and run this state we have little hope, however calguns has done a very good job of slapping the fools of this state in the face. let's stick together and get our gun rights back and then we can think about left and right...

LiquidFlorian
09-07-2009, 6:08 PM
Sounds like the Domino Theory to me.

Not many folks are willing to buy into that after what happened the last time it was touted as a reason to fight.

I've been thinking of it a cancer spreading to the rest of the body(country) and we need chemo.

Californians don't seem to interface with their local politicians much. I think that's changing though. Lots of tea parties....:D

bodger
09-07-2009, 6:09 PM
But our weather is great.:rolleyes:

That it is.

I often think how nice the weather will be when I lay bleeding to death from a perpetrator's bullet because I can't legally carry a firearm to defend myself in this balmy paradise of ours. :cool2:

radioman
09-07-2009, 6:13 PM
I've been thinking of it a cancer spreading to the rest of the body(country) and we need chemo.

Californians don't seem to interface with their local politicians much. I think that's changing though. Lots of tea parties....:D

politicians don't interface with us, I call, I send letters and I think thier blind and deft, but still they speak, wow.

VW*Mike
09-07-2009, 6:24 PM
That it is.

I often think how nice the weather will be when I lay bleeding to death from a perpetrator's bullet because I can't legally carry a firearm to defend myself in this balmy paradise of ours. :cool2:

If anything, wont the warmer weather cause your blood to be thinner and you would bleed out quicker? Pfft, no wonder LA's murder rates are so high, its "Global Warming"'s negative effects on gun and knife trauma wounds. Where is Al Gore? Won't SOMEONE PLEASE think of the children! Maybe if we got things like my K5 Blazer off the road, the gangsters may make it to the hospital!

radioman
09-07-2009, 6:29 PM
If anything, wont the warmer weather cause your blood to be thinner and you would bleed out quicker? Pfft, no wonder LA's murder rates are so high, its "Global Warming"'s negative effects on gun and knife trauma wounds. Where is Al Gore? Won't SOMEONE PLEASE think of the children! Maybe if we got things like my K5 Blazer off the road, the gangsters may make it to the hospital!

I never looked at it that way before, you could be right.:D

FastFinger
09-07-2009, 6:44 PM
Our once great state certainly has it's share of problems.

Besides voting in fools and larger chicken coops - the one that gets me is the $40 BBBBBBIllion approval for the high speed train. Did no one bother to check and see how cheap intrastate airfares are? And even with the TSA silliness a flight will still be quicker than a train- bullet or not. Not that I believe we'll actually ever see said train. It will be $40 bbbbbillion pissed away on studies and lawsuits.

I gotta say that this state is over taxing not only my income, but my nerves as well. We are in a huge financial mess, and all Sacto wants to do is declare a Harvey Milk day and make us jump through hoops to buy ammo.

With the changing demographics I really don't see any turn around, hate to be that "the ammo box is half empty" guy, but the future of this state looks grim. But then I've been wrong before.

Linh
09-07-2009, 6:54 PM
Yeah I agree as long as we are giving away welfare checks they will continue to arrive in California from other states.

People talk to each other and see which state offer the best free benefits so they move there to get freebies.

If we cut welfare people will "think" before they pop out their income checks.

forgiven
09-07-2009, 7:46 PM
Our once great state certainly has it's share of problems.

Besides voting in fools and larger chicken coops - the one that gets me is the $40 BBBBBBIllion approval for the high speed train. Did no one bother to check and see how cheap intrastate airfares are? And even with the TSA silliness a flight will still be quicker than a train- bullet or not. Not that I believe we'll actually ever see said train. It will be $40 bbbbbillion pissed away on studies and lawsuits.

I gotta say that this state is over taxing not only my income, but my nerves as well. We are in a huge financial mess, and all Sacto wants to do is declare a Harvey Milk day and make us jump through hoops to buy ammo.

With the changing demographics I really don't see any turn around, hate to be that "the ammo box is half empty" guy, but the future of this state looks grim. But then I've been wrong before.

Your not wrong.:(

radioman
09-07-2009, 7:55 PM
Our once great state certainly has it's share of problems.

Besides voting in fools and larger chicken coops - the one that gets me is the $40 BBBBBBIllion approval for the high speed train. Did no one bother to check and see how cheap intrastate airfares are? And even with the TSA silliness a flight will still be quicker than a train- bullet or not. Not that I believe we'll actually ever see said train. It will be $40 bbbbbillion pissed away on studies and lawsuits.

I gotta say that this state is over taxing not only my income, but my nerves as well. We are in a huge financial mess, and all Sacto wants to do is declare a Harvey Milk day and make us jump through hoops to buy ammo.

With the changing demographics I really don't see any turn around, hate to be that "the ammo box is half empty" guy, but the future of this state looks grim. But then I've been wrong before.

I did not vote that one, Harvey Milk day that's a good one, he was a good friend of Jim Jones and loved 15 years old boys, just the guy I want to remember.:puke:

rkt88edmo
09-07-2009, 7:59 PM
Zwingli, they don't love you and are jealous. Why are you debating them?

Gray Peterson
09-07-2009, 9:40 PM
my family is from San Francisco, it was once a good city to be from, now the f*gs have taken it over

Some of those "f*gs" are on the correct side of the RKBA debate, including yours truly. This particular "f*g" massively educated the law enforcement agencies in the two states above you on the legality of loaded open carry.

What have you done for the RKBA, other than engaging in gay baiting and obviously acting like a keyboard commando in this thread? :toetap05:

wildhawker
09-07-2009, 9:44 PM
We all could have done without the distasteful use of derrogatory terms.

Calguns and CGF have done a lot of good, but your assertions regarding the NRA's achievments and successes in California are blatantly false.

My relatives came to California in the 1870's and I come from a long line Democrats, I just left the party last month, what we call liberals are not, they are in fact fools. there is so much crap they come up with, I won't vote for, this state has gone to hell, my family is from San Francisco, it was once a good city to be from, now the f*gs have taken it over, and fools not liberals run it, it's good to have a left and right, that is how we steer, without two points we would be out of control. but we are all sol with fools at the helm, calguns has put more in to fighting for our rights then the nra, that's just a fact. as long fools vote and run this state we have little hope, however calguns has done a very good job of slapping the fools of this state in the face. let's stick together and get our gun rights back and then we can think about left and right...

bsim
09-07-2009, 10:08 PM
^^ Nice. :rofl2:

Kestryll
09-07-2009, 10:11 PM
now the f*gs have taken it over,.......
..... let's stick together and get our gun rights back...
Given the contribution to the fight for 2A rights by groups like the Pink Pistols it is just mind boggling to see both of those statement in the same post..:rolleyes:

As long as those f@gs are decent people, who cares? Besides, I bet you've stuck your junk in worse places than any gay person, *****.

Being juvenile, vulgar and insulting...
Yeah, that's an effective response... if your intent was to get banned right along side of him...

nicki
09-07-2009, 10:26 PM
California does suck, so let's see what sucks, and then focus on solutions to the problems.

America grew and prospered because people felt they could achieve their dreams. They visualized their futures and worked for it.

The dream for many has been killed, that is why many wander around like Zombies and worship the "One" and chant, change, change, change.

California attracts many creative people, that is why we have Silicon valley in the North and Hollywood in the south.

I guess I am an optimist because I believe that because of our problems, real solutions can be fast tracked.

Perhaps we should consider having a tread on how to make California better and put guidelines that the solutions have to be ones most liberal democrats could support.

Nicki

KylaGWolf
09-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Yeah I agree as long as we are giving away welfare checks they will continue to arrive in California from other states.

People talk to each other and see which state offer the best free benefits so they move there to get freebies.

If we cut welfare people will "think" before they pop out their income checks.

One little problem with that argument. If I remember right CA passed a law that if your moved from another state your welfare payments don't go up you get the amount from the state you lived in. Not to mention the little five year FEDERAL limit. Oh not to mention what you get on what used to be AFDC here in Ca is not enough to live on. I have been on it. Did all I could to get off of it as fast as I could too. I would have preferred to have never had to go on it in the first place. But at theh time the job market sucked. I did volunteer work at my daughters school....put myself through junior college and worked part time on campus.

KylaGWolf
09-07-2009, 10:31 PM
We all could have done without the distasteful use of derrogatory terms.

Calguns and CGF have done a lot of good, but your assertions regarding the NRA's achievments and successes in California are blatantly false.

Kudos to you and to Grays comments!

CnCFunFactory
09-07-2009, 10:33 PM
Some of those "f*gs" are on the correct side of the RKBA debate, including yours truly. This particular "f*g" massively educated the law enforcement agencies in the two states above you on the legality of loaded open carry.

What have you done for the RKBA, other than engaging in gay baiting and obviously acting like a keyboard commando in this thread? :toetap05:

Owned....:43:

FreedomIsNotFree
09-07-2009, 10:39 PM
My family has been here since the 1830's and we aren't leaving any time soon. To use some poker vernacular, I'm all in.

Think of it this way...CA is a prime example of liberal policies. If nothing else, CA gives a glimpse in to the future of what is in store for America as a whole should socialist policies take permanent root.

I've never been one to run from confrontation or intimidation...and I have no plans to start now. I will be buried in CA as my family has before me.

KylaGWolf
09-07-2009, 10:42 PM
California does suck, so let's see what sucks, and then focus on solutions to the problems.

America grew and prospered because people felt they could achieve their dreams. They visualized their futures and worked for it.

The dream for many has been killed, that is why many wander around like Zombies and worship the "One" and chant, change, change, change.

California attracts many creative people, that is why we have Silicon valley in the North and Hollywood in the south.

I guess I am an optimist because I believe that because of our problems, real solutions can be fast tracked.

Perhaps we should consider having a tread on how to make California better and put guidelines that the solutions have to be ones most liberal democrats could support.

Nicki

Nicki

Good idea. Whilst I dislike where CA has been heading in things it is not completely hopeless. Most of CA problems are fixable, but its not going to be an easy thing to do. I think the biggest challenge is going to get those that don't think like we do here on Calguns to not look at things in the sheeple view they have now. I think that next round of elections might actually start to bring some change or at least a little less of a strangle hold on this state in the state house and senate. But I am also counting on the fact that once Nordyke is ruled to be valid things will start to move faster on at least the RKBA front.

But I will say that some of the comments I have seen on here bashing other parts of the community on Calguns and in our state does more to harm our cause than good. Those are the demographics we need to be reaching out to work with and hope to get them to see that gun owners in this state are not the thugs the media protrays them to be.

Californio
09-08-2009, 10:30 AM
This is a battle against RADICALS they come in all colors and sexual orientations, but they are all RADICALS and want nothing but POWER.

All the non-radicals, dems, repubs, straight, gay, black, brown, yellow, white, green or whatever must stand together in the name of Liberty. Personal Liberty, the main theme of 1776, is more important than anything else.

The Radicals want your Liberty no matter what your color, religion, orientation and they are the enemy, get over your stereotypes and attack the Radicals.

KylaGWolf
09-08-2009, 10:42 AM
California itself doesn't suck. It is the lawmakers that suck. This state is a beautiful state. Come on where else can you live and have so many different landscapes just in a couple of hours drive. Full of great resources, great weather. That being said the cost of living can eat most alive especially now that the economy has taken a dump. I love the state and really don't want to leave it but there may come a time I have to. I have many places in this country and always seem to find my way back to CA.

Those that want to see this state become great again won't if they leave without fighting for it. Nothing is achieved without hard work. So maybe instead of whining how sucky this state is maybe we should fight harder to make it a great state again. I do this whenever possible by calling and writing my state representatives about legislation that has come up for votes. To trying to bring new members to calguns to give us a larger voice. To helping to make sure my neighborhood is a safer place to live.

motorhead
09-08-2009, 10:50 AM
with the budget fiasco fresh in everone's minds 2010 will be the year to oust the libtards from the legislature, if ever. voter apathy is at an all time low and the same liberal tools that vote in gun laws also tax and spend the working folk to death with eco-fuzzy b.s. and welfare giveaways. time to drive a stake through the evil black heart of the democratic party, now and forever!!!

bsim
09-08-2009, 11:56 AM
CA legislature has an approval rating in the teens.

The sad part is even though people dis-approve of the Democratic-led legislature, they'll never vote to change them because Rebublicans are much worse.

Makes total sense to a liberal I guess.

yellowfin
09-10-2009, 10:39 AM
I can tell you for a fact that the out of state people who ridicule California do so from a rational perspective. It is utterly incomprehensible to anyone living in a Free State to grasp how backwards the situation in CA is. The state seems to them (and to myself seeing its government) like a filthy drug addicted schizophrenic homeless bum like you'd see in San Francisco-- it has extensive self inflicted problems, acts ridiculous and doesn't seem to want to help itself, everything it does makes things worse, the origins of the problems are so confusing and arcane it takes a long history lesson and a PhD to understand, and if you try to help it just turns on you angrily, threatens you, and spouts more gibberish. It's puzzling, frightening, disgusting, and repulsive. You don't want it near you and since you can't deal with it you honestly want it to go away.

From that point of view, you have to agree with them. Who do you think they see? Do you think that they see the hundreds of thousands of gun owners or the millions of disgusting anti gun sheeple who send them Feinslime, Boxer, and Pelosi? I can tell you first hand that the very concept of anti gun sheeple is something unknown to a lot of people out in the real America. People who don't know gun owners and are terrified of them were a totally mythical creature to me and everyone I knew for 26 years. If you told me a person from Georgia or Missouri believed and was saying the stuff urban Californian liberals say and believe I would have them carted off to a mental institution--they sure as hell wouldn't be employed. That stuff doesn't come from sane people who know better. Given that most states have an established gun owning population that isn't in hiding, state RKBA provisions that actually mean something, and never having had to need to know about 2nd Amendment incorporation, Cruikshank, etc. the idea of CA's AWB, 12031, DROS, etc. is nothing but a bunch of convoluted nonsense to anyone not living there. Gerrymandering is known to varying degrees, but for it to pull off the catastrophic stunting of the polical system that it has in CA is quite frankly almost impossible to fully grasp. Nearly nowhere with the exception of NYC, NJ, Cook County IL, and a handful of counties of MD can relate to that experience. It is so farfetched that such a hardcore small group of complete whackos can totally lead blind masses of millions to such a ridiculous extent with such unrivaled power and impunity in a country that's supposed to have fair votes, Constitutional liberties, and constraints of government. Most people have no clue as to how bad the judiciary has screwed things up on the whole let alone how backwards CA's has ruled--I honestly think the people in other places would not have tolerated it if they'd done what they did in other states.

Things are so far off the deep end if you look at it from the perspective of other places that it's little wonder you get the response you do.

glbtrottr
09-10-2009, 11:18 AM
First, let me qualify a couple of things: I live in Laguna Beach - from a community standpoint, it doesn't get much more "Gay Friendly" than that, being eclipsed only by cities like...let's say...West Hollywood. I have gay friends and people important to me in the LGB community.

A good number of them are honorable, fabulous citizens who strongly support and advocate RKBA. Sadly, the VAST majority of people in the community are against it. The Pink Pistols, while a noble movement, amount to a poppyseed in a fly's rump numerically. People traded the value of their gender freedom and sexual orientation, their desire for sexual acceptance and cultural awareness, their section 8 and AFDC check, their want of a relative becoming a US citizen, their welfare check...for a set of representatives largely against our 2nd amendment rights, all while compromising our overall competitiveness and viability as a nation.

Sadly, the Democratic party has militantly catered to each and every downtrodden special interest known to man in California - illegal immigrants who feel they want to stay here, blacks who don't want to be treated as slaves, a gay population who wants to be out of the closet and not just accepted but celebrated, the greenies, convicted criminals who feel they got a bad deal, people on welfare who want a larger cut of public assistance...

Unfortunately, most have forgotten, or don't really care in each of their demographics and social / lifestyle / ethnic groups, how important the 2nd amendment really is.

I would love to see organized outreaches from the GLBT community in Calguns that are actively recruiting and organizing people to our cause. I would love to see their success.

The same applies to minorities and women. Where are those causes? We have hinted at them and talked about them, but I just don't see it yet.

I know I've taken a few dozen women to the range, and they now own pistols, shotguns or rifles because of me.

I know a number of my coworkers now go to the range with me as a social event.

How about more agressive involvement from some of those groups to educate their demographics, and overthrow the lame Pelosi / Boxer / Feinstein / Deleon government who used their cause to propel them to the limelight, get them elected, and now put us in this untenable position as a state?

wildhawker
09-10-2009, 1:10 PM
glbtrottr, I think you make some important points. Let's work on this!

HondaMasterTech
09-11-2009, 12:56 AM
When enough people believe that the political machine is too big for them to change it , it becomes true.