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alrich77@hotmail.com
05-10-2005, 12:06 AM
Reposted from Precisionshooter.com:

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! And criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

alrich77@hotmail.com
05-10-2005, 12:06 AM
Reposted from Precisionshooter.com:

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! And criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

Yute
05-10-2005, 12:17 PM
There are some problems with this email. I responded to it on another forum with the following:
I happened to stumble upon this: Australian Crime - Facts and Figures - http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/
And it doesn't seem to back up the figures given by the emailer...Not saying he's wrong, but the offical documents note signifcant drops in gun crime over the long term (from the 2004 stats):
quote:

The percentage of homicides committed with a
firearm continued a declining trend since 1969.
In 2002, just under 16% of homicides involved
firearms. The figure was similar in 2001, down
from a high of 44% in 1968.

AND
quote:
Between 1993 and 2003 the number of firearm
robberies declined by 44% while the number
involving personal force (unarmed) and other
types of weapons has increased, by 68% and
74% respectively.


Edit to add:
Seems like this email has been going on for a while...
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
And a much better defended piece by the NRA (however statistic majors will point out that a two year sample is not enough):
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=30
Draw your own conclusions.

05-10-2005, 1:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yute85:
There are some problems with this email. I responded to it on another forum with the following:
I happened to stumble upon this: Australian Crime - Facts and Figures - http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/
And it doesn't seem to back up the figures given by the emailer...Not saying he's wrong, but the offical documents note signifcant drops in gun crime over the long term (from the 2004 stats):
quote:

The percentage of homicides committed with a
firearm continued a declining trend since 1969.
In 2002, just under 16% of homicides involved
firearms. The figure was similar in 2001, down
from a high of 44% in 1968.

AND
quote:
Between 1993 and 2003 the number of firearm
robberies declined by 44% while the number
involving personal force (unarmed) and other
types of weapons has increased, by 68% and
74% respectively.


Edit to add:
Seems like this email has been going on for a while...
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
And a much better defended piece by the NRA (however statistic majors will point out that a two year sample is not enough):
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=30
Draw your own conclusions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yute, do you happen to know when the confiscatory gun policy in Australia was implemented. Crime stats from the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the US are often a year or two behind. If the ban happened within that period of time, the official govt. stats would probably not yet reflect the increase in violent crime.

Yute
05-11-2005, 12:11 PM
I believe the ban was implemented in 1997. The reports do show a small spike in firearms crime in 1999, but that decreased starting from 2000. Overall the trend in firearm crimes is a downward one. But it was on a downward trend even before the ban...

05-13-2005, 2:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yute85:
I believe the ban was implemented in 1997. The reports do show a small spike in firearms crime in 1999, but that decreased starting from 2000. Overall the trend in firearm crimes is a downward one. But it was on a downward trend even before the ban... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make a good point. Violent crime in the US is way down over the period 1993 to 2003, including gun related violence. Does this mean that gun control works, as our wonderful DiFi would have you believe? No, not at all. The Bureau of Justice Statistics analysis of the downward trend of violent crime in America was that more criminals are being taken off the streets with long mandatory sentances and repeat offender laws (3 strikes) so they are not on the street attacking people. If the trend was downward in Australia even before the ban, it would be difficult to tease out any effect the policy may have had from a statistical point of view. I'd love to see the actual data.