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armandolo
09-03-2009, 12:48 PM
Hi calgunners

I'm in a market for a new bolt action gun. I want to use it primarily for a long range target shooting and occasional hunting (never hunted with rifles before). With this in mind I was settled on Rem 700 CDL in 30-06.

However, I saw the 700P and 700 SS 5R advertised as excellent long range gun. I am very tempted but I did not want to get a 308 rifle for hunting. I am a bit intimidated by the 300WM. I have never shot 300WM or 30-06, in fact the most powerful cartridge I have shot is 7.62x54R.

Another reason why I did not want 308 is I like my guns in different calibers.

So what would you do? Any comments are appreciated. Idealy I would try different guns and calibers and pick the best one, but I do not have the luxury so I'm gonna go with user comments and take a chance with one.

Pistolwhipped
09-03-2009, 1:16 PM
Assuming you were shooting a Mosin, that kicks more than my 300 anyday. Probably due to the lack of anything on the butt except a piece of folded steel. I have a 700 sps in 300WM and can reach out and touch just about anything.

I think the setups your looking at are great rifles for the money and great for the range or the hunt.

Just to clarify you dont want 308 because you want different cal in each rifle?

professionalcoyotehunter
09-03-2009, 1:18 PM
Go with a Vanguard Weatherby Sub MOA .300WM. You wont be disappointed and you can get one for around $700-$800.

Flux Capacitor
09-03-2009, 1:24 PM
I just got a Marlin bolt action, and man am I impressed. i think I like it better than my 700!

professionalcoyotehunter
09-03-2009, 1:25 PM
What!:eek:

Stockton
09-03-2009, 1:27 PM
Stiller or Surgeon action

armandolo
09-03-2009, 1:27 PM
Assuming you were shooting a Mosin, that kicks more than my 300 anyday. Probably due to the lack of anything on the butt except a piece of folded steel. I have a 700 sps in 300WM and can reach out and touch just about anything.

I think the setups your looking at are great rifles for the money and great for the range or the hunt.

Just to clarify you dont want 308 because you want different cal in each rifle?

I like my guns to be in different cals. I am planning M1A purchase for 308 and already have a 7.62x54R rifle. So I was settling on 30-06 untill I saw the bull barrel Remys. My 7.62x54R rifle is actually a SVD (Russian)

I thought of the Weatherby even in 300Wby Mag. But reading a lot of posts, it seemed that one would not want much range time with that caliber. and it seems that 300WbyMag and 300WM are close


Maybe I crazy or inexperanced with bolt guns, But I do not want any marlins, savages or the type. And I do not know what Stiller or Surgeon action means. My initial list included Weatherby Mark V, Sako 85 and Remy 700. I settled on remy 700. And wanting it as a 70% range gun 30% hunting gun, the bull barrel looked attractive

Pistolwhipped
09-03-2009, 1:31 PM
Sounds expensive. Weatherby's are great rifles, no complaints here.


I like my guns to be in different cals. I am planning M1A purchase for 308 and already have a 7.62x54R rifle. So I was settling on 30-06 untill I saw the bull barrel Remys. My 7.62x54R rifle is actually a SVD (Russian)

I thought of the Weatherby even in 300Wby Mag. But reading a lot of posts, it seemed that one would not want much range time with that caliber. and it seems that 300WbyMag and 300WM are close

zrock
09-03-2009, 2:41 PM
Hey. Forget the bull barrel for hunting . Noway your going to carry that thing along with all the other stuff you need. A 7-8lbs rifle is about all you want. If you want a nice calibre go with 270,308,30-06 . Ammo for these can be found anywhere. Look at some of the package guns from weatherby, savage , howa.

BigBamBoo
09-03-2009, 2:52 PM
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armandolo
09-03-2009, 3:36 PM
Is an extra lb gonna make that much difference?

Hey. Forget the bull barrel for hunting . Noway your going to carry that thing along with all the other stuff you need. A 7-8lbs rifle is about all you want. If you want a nice calibre go with 270,308,30-06 . Ammo for these can be found anywhere. Look at some of the package guns from weatherby, savage , howa.

glockman19
09-03-2009, 3:58 PM
Here's my 2 cents...
I have an M1A, Remington 700 CDL in 30-06, and a Remington 700P. Each has it's place in my collection.
The M1A, is not a rifle I would like to carry around all day, the 700P is also not the lightest. I got the CDL in 30-06 for hunting.
So...I basically couldn't make up my
mind either and got them all.

professionalcoyotehunter
09-03-2009, 4:00 PM
+1. Just get them all and eliminate by usefulness.

Requiem
09-03-2009, 4:19 PM
Is an extra lb gonna make that much difference?

"ounces = pounds and pounds = pain"

armandolo
09-03-2009, 4:22 PM
What cal is your 700P? I'd love to get them all, but right now I'm working on finishing my original desired collection. So I must not diverge from the plan.

After the Range/Hunting gun there still is

1. Beretta Silver pigeon III
2. Les Baer Ultimate Master
3. Sig P226
4. M1A

I may just settle on 700SS 5R in 300WM.

Here's my 2 cents...
I have an M1A, Remington 700 CDL in 30-06, and a Remington 700P. Each has it's place in my collection.
The M1A, is not a rifle I would like to carry around all day, the 700P is also not the lightest. I got the CDL in 30-06 for hunting.
So...I basically couldn't make up my
mind either and got them all.

Fjold
09-03-2009, 4:29 PM
I am very tempted but I did not want to get a 308 rifle for hunting.


I'm sorry but I don't understand this statement.

armandolo
09-03-2009, 4:38 PM
What I meant was that I did not want 700P or 700SS R5 in 308. And I thought the recoil was gonna be bad with 300WM, so I was hoping for other alternatives. On one hand 700CDL seems perfect choice. On the other hand bull barrel is pulling me toward it. :)

I'm sorry but I don't understand this statement.

BigBamBoo
09-03-2009, 4:51 PM
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Trapper
09-03-2009, 5:04 PM
I agree with Stan. If you want an accurate long range rifle with low recoil that could be used for hunting go with a 243 or 6.5mm. Alot of 1000yd shooters are moving away from the .300wm

zrock
09-03-2009, 5:26 PM
Spend more time in the field and you will have your answer. up/down ,up,up.

cheese
09-03-2009, 6:03 PM
Maybe I crazy or inexperanced with bolt guns, But I do not want any marlins, savages or the type. And I do not know what Stiller or Surgeon action means. My initial list included Weatherby Mark V, Sako 85 and Remy 700. I settled on remy 700. And wanting it as a 70% range gun 30% hunting gun, the bull barrel looked attractive

If by "the type" you mean good guns that are affordable then thats that. But both brands do a good job at making nice rifles regardless of their price.
If i was gonna buy a more expensive rifle i would get a tikka. My round preference is 270 win.

X-NewYawker
09-03-2009, 6:40 PM
CZ-75 .375 H&H and load down for deer...

Kimber 8400 270 Win

MasterYong
09-03-2009, 7:13 PM
I'm curious what the OP's aversion to Savage and Marlin rifles is???

I don't have much experience with Marlin but I hear good things. I have a Savage bolt gun in .300 Win Mag and that this is the most accurate gun I've shot (although others in this thread have a lot more experience than I). The only add-on for the Savage is a basix trigger (was about $60 I think) otherwise it's stock.

My vote in the Rem 700, whatever variation floats your boat, simply due to the never-ending supply of aftermarket accessories.

Mute
09-03-2009, 7:14 PM
If you're primarily looking for a hunting rifle, the right caliber will be dependent on what type of game you'll be most likely to hunt. .260 and .243 are good calibers that can do double duty as hunting rounds up to medium sized game (e.g. deer) and are excellent LR target round with some reloading. Also recoil will be very manageable.

armandolo
09-03-2009, 7:43 PM
Since I do not hunt much (would like to but never have the time or the opportunity), then its primarily going to be range gun which I can also hunt with. I wanted to stick to the "common" 30 cal ammo. At this point I'm pretty set on Remy 700. What it boils down to is whether I should get 700SS 5R in 300WM or CDL in 30-06.


If you're primarily looking for a hunting rifle, the right caliber will be dependent on what type of game you'll be most likely to hunt. .260 and .243 are good calibers that can do double duty as hunting rounds up to medium sized game (e.g. deer) and are excellent LR target round with some reloading. Also recoil will be very manageable.

GrizzlyGuy
09-03-2009, 7:44 PM
I want to use it primarily for a long range target shooting and occasional hunting (never hunted with rifles before).

I asked a similar question (excluding the hunting part) and got some great info here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=214130

I'm now 2 days into the 10-day waiting period. :)

See also here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=214398

HUTCH 7.62
09-03-2009, 7:49 PM
I'm curious what the OP's aversion to Savage and Marlin rifles is???

I don't have much experience with Marlin but I hear good things. I have a Savage bolt gun in .300 Win Mag and that this is the most accurate gun I've shot (although others in this thread have a lot more experience than I). The only add-on for the Savage is a basix trigger (was about $60 I think) otherwise it's stock.

My vote in the Rem 700, whatever variation floats your boat, simply due to the never-ending supply of aftermarket accessories.

I like the savage great rifle. But perfer the rem 700, kinda like the small block chevy of bolt guns.

Mute
09-03-2009, 7:50 PM
Those are 2 very different rifles. You need to determine caliber and the type of rifle you want. The 5R is a much heavier contour barrel and much more suitable for target shooting. The CDL is lighter and better suited for long treks in the field.

As for caliber, the 300WM has more potential as a target round than the .30-06. However, you'll have a much better selection of factory rounds for the latter. Recoil will be stiffer on the 300WM also. If you shoot without a brake, the 300wm will take its toll on you with a long day at the range.

HUTCH 7.62
09-03-2009, 7:52 PM
You need to determine caliber and the type of rifle you want. The 5R is a much heavier contour barrel and much more suitable for target shooting. The CDL is lighter and better suited for long treks in the field.

As for caliber, the 300WM has more potential as a target round than the .30-06. However, you'll have a much better selection of factory rounds for the latter. Recoil will be stiffer on the 300WM also. If you shoot without a brake, the 300wm will take it toll on you with a long day at the range.

=1 I totally agree.

BigBamBoo
09-03-2009, 7:54 PM
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armandolo
09-03-2009, 7:56 PM
Do you guys know a range that rents rifles in 300WM?

wooger
09-03-2009, 8:03 PM
.243 or .260 is what you want. Get it in a tikka and you wont have to worry about barrel profile vs accurracy. If you have to have a magnum they are available in short mag. I hunt large game with .308 and have not found it lacking for the hunt or at moderate range for target shooting.

Richie Caketown
09-03-2009, 8:03 PM
98Bravo

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ar15barrels
09-04-2009, 12:41 AM
I'm in a market for a new bolt action gun. I want to use it primarily for a long range target shooting and occasional hunting (never hunted with rifles before). With this in mind I was settled on Rem 700 CDL in 30-06.

However, I saw the 700P and 700 SS 5R advertised as excellent long range gun. I am very tempted but I did not want to get a 308 rifle for hunting. I am a bit intimidated by the 300WM. I have never shot 300WM or 30-06, in fact the most powerful cartridge I have shot is 7.62x54R.

Another reason why I did not want 308 is I like my guns in different calibers.


Do you reload?

ar15barrels
09-04-2009, 12:45 AM
Is an extra lb gonna make that much difference?

YES!


Heavy barreled guns are for target shooting.
Less recoil, more accuracy potential.

Light barreled guns are for carrying in the field.
The first time you carry a bull barreled gun in the field is often your last time.
Don't listen to us though.
It's best to go find out for yourself.

Since you will be buying a gun for each job, get a heavy 308 for target shooting and a lightweight 30-06 for hunting.
That gives you the best options in ammo specifically for each purpose that you would use the guns for.
If you reload, then it does not matter which caliber you get as long as there are appropriate bullets available for what you want to do.