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mastadonn
09-02-2009, 9:04 PM
Did not see this mentioned elsewhere.

Interesting in several aspects, even though the bias is obvious and the conclusions are poorly supported.

Nice pictures of what guns shows in free states looks like.

http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/2155573.html?mi_rss=Our%2520Region

Chapters three and four are interesting in that their undercover investigators observed several illegal transfers at CA show.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/vprp/

Also like the mention the CADOJ has undercover enforcement teams at all major CA gun shows and most smaller shows. Nothing like the Stasi to keep you honest.

halifax
09-02-2009, 9:43 PM
In California, all guns must be purchased through a licensed retailer, which requires submitting a lengthy form, submitting to a background check and a waiting period.

Obviously didn't do his homework. C&R longguns are cash and carry. Maybe he only thought he saw 2 illegal transactions.

dantodd
09-02-2009, 11:40 PM
I'm with halifax, most likely their "undercover investigators" would be unable to differentiate an illegal sale from a legal cash and carry sale such as a C&R long gun or a sale to someone exempt from the waiting period (e.g. police officer)

RRangel
09-02-2009, 11:58 PM
The "investigation" has no merit. Garen Wintermute is a long standing gun hating shill. There is no objectivity here at all. It's the same old tired propaganda that has given people like him a bad name to begin with. Nothing new here.

cousinkix1953
09-03-2009, 12:38 AM
Obviously didn't do his homework. C&R longguns are cash and carry. Maybe he only thought he saw 2 illegal transactions.
When do you think that he'll realize that a gun club and private shooting range exists right on the UC Davis campus? There are better things to do than playing secret agent man with a hidden camera in other states. The law is different in Kommiefornia...

SJgunguy24
09-03-2009, 1:11 AM
What ever, I don't care what this idiot says. It says this was not based on quantitative research, just personal observations.
Well guess what, if you look through eyes of a seething anti firearms activist, aren't all guns bad?

Hell I bet somebody could look at baby being baptised and find something
they think is wrong.

mastadonn
09-03-2009, 7:57 AM
I think it would be interestiing if we could identify as many of the false assumptions and poorly supported arguments as we could.

Similar to what Clayton Cramer did with Michael Bellisiles(?) book.

1. Supposedly illegal transactions observed in CA gunshows does not ID the type of firearm, ignoring the fact that C&R long guns do not require PPT in CA.

2. The claim that higher levels of regulations and enforcement have not affected the robustness of guns shows in CA.

The table showing size and level of attendance at guns shows clearly show that guns shows in CA are smaller and have fewer sellers of guns than shows in other states. No mention of historical data on gunshows in CA prior to the stricter regulations.

We use to have the largest gun show in the nation.

3.

cousinkix1953
09-03-2009, 5:04 PM
We used to have the largest gun show in the nation.
Crossroads of the West and the Nordykes have hosted gun shows for many years in the PRK. They must have records of how many tables are rented at a given facility on a certain weekend.

We can scratch off all of those gun shows that were booked in advance for the Alameda county fairgrounds and then cancelled after they were banned in 1998. There have been no "real" gun shows* in Pleasanton for at least 10 years; so multiply this number, by the number of dates that would have been booked by the promoters. Alameda county must have lost the rent money for 40-50 gun shows during this time.

Los Angeles county ran the Great Western gun show and it's smaller competitors out of the Pomona fairgrounds about the same time. How many shows would have been booked there, and how much rent money has been lost during the last decade?

*looking and posters and catalogs full of guns was a crock idea proposed by one of those anti supervisors. It was never gonna fly.

Only a moron cannot see this big decline in gun shows in the PRK.

BroncoBob
09-04-2009, 8:00 AM
Look where things are heading. Legalizing pot, ban gun shows. Only in this screwed up state.

BigDogatPlay
09-04-2009, 9:48 AM
I think it would be interestiing if we could identify as many of the false assumptions and poorly supported arguments as we could.

Similar to what Clayton Cramer did with Michael Bellisiles(?) book.

This is an excellent suggestion.

woodsman
09-04-2009, 10:10 AM
Look where things are heading. Legalizing pot, ban gun shows. Only in this screwed up state.

Even more funny is that research came out a few months ago stating that pot smoking can possibly lead to cancer.

Wouldn't be surprised that if/when they do legalize it, there is less tax on pot than other smokes.

Wonder how the liberals can rationalize this with a the health care issues?