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Steyr_223
02-11-2005, 9:10 AM
Hi,

Last year lots of you order Imbel recievers to build Cali legal FAL type rifles. How did they turn out? Any problems getting them built? A friend got a South African kit and an Imbel reciever, it is still at the out of state builder.

I am saving up for a build, but the M1a is looking pretty good..

Thoughts?

Steyr

Steyr_223
02-11-2005, 9:10 AM
Hi,

Last year lots of you order Imbel recievers to build Cali legal FAL type rifles. How did they turn out? Any problems getting them built? A friend got a South African kit and an Imbel reciever, it is still at the out of state builder.

I am saving up for a build, but the M1a is looking pretty good..

Thoughts?

Steyr

02-11-2005, 9:27 AM
What about Entreprise Arms Kali legal FAL's?

http://www.entreprise.com/FAL/CA_fal.htm

Technical Ted
02-11-2005, 9:58 AM
I had Rich Saunders at Century Gun Works near Reno, NV, build up my CA Legal FAL, as did Bill Weise, X Squid, Dully and a couple of others, and they came out great. I think his backlog is up to two or three months right now, but it's worth it.

Here's the review I posted in December of 2003
http://calguns.net/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=888602736&f=332609466&m=8976078325&r=8976078325#8976078325

bwiese
02-11-2005, 10:20 AM
Yeah, I love my CGW FAL clone.

Mine is not a Calif. FAL though - it's a regular Type III AW. It was assembled w/enough evil AW features in 1999, though it was not in headspaced/fireable shape.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

wayoutwest
02-11-2005, 10:27 AM
I got my receiver from Bigmac in 2003 IIRC and one of the other board members came over one day with the barrel vise, receiver wrench, and HS gauges and got it together. I ordered a modified mag release from someone on falfiles, works nice. Also striped it down and refinished it in AlumihydeII in the garage. Overall very happy with it, other than loading it by hand without the stripper clip top cover.
http://www.picyard.com/main/data/500/128DSC02966-med.JPG

bwiese
02-11-2005, 10:59 AM
Way-out-west2,

Nice rifle! Good furniture. If you can, though, do see if someone has wood front handguards that can be stained/finished to match your stock & pistol grip for a more 'unified' look.

Of course, please keep Sec 922(r)/CFR 178.39 domestic parts content issues in account if you change this part. Ironwood Designs in SJ used to make these, not sure now.

When I had my FAL done up by CGW - Izzy front end on Imbel w/STG58 lower - I couldn't easily get the correct domestic parts count without changing gas piston, which I didn't want to do (preferred this stay OEM).

So I used Penguin synth. US-mfgd buttstock and DSA US pistol grip. Rich at CGW then took brand new Izzy wood front handguards and stripped/stained them and then treated them with his special coating. With fine bead blast of the synthetic buttstock, everything looks 'matching' now.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

icormba
02-11-2005, 11:06 AM
I'm almost done doing my "Israeli, South Afrimerican" build... Got the Imbel from BigMac as well about a month ago. I'm doing everything myself with the help of my dad's garage.

I also bought one of those Steyr StG kits and will begin that build as soon as the Izzy is done... It might be a AustrianAmerican or a Austrian SouthAmerican depending on if I get one of those Coonan custom marked StG receivers with matching serial #'s to my current kit.

I might have to change my name to Steyr_308 http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I also might have to sell off one of my M1's to pay for all this http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

icormba
02-11-2005, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by way-out-west2:
I got my receiver from Bigmac in 2003 IIRC and one of the other board members came over one day with the barrel vise, receiver wrench, and HS gauges and got it together. I ordered a modified mag release from someone on falfiles, works nice. Also striped it down and refinished it in AlumihydeII in the garage. Overall very happy with it, other than loading it by hand without the stripper clip top cover.
http://www.picyard.com/main/data/500/128DSC02966-med.JPG <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NICE!! just like a W. German G1

Steyr_223
02-11-2005, 12:46 PM
Thanks guys, I may have to visit BigMAc and get an Imbel reciever. My buddy sent his to Arizonia response system in Sept. He is still waiting.

Anyone get their STG58 kits from these guys? Is the price for the kits fair?

http://www.gunthings.com/

Technical Ted
02-11-2005, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steyr_223:
Thanks guys, I may have to visit BigMAc and get an Imbel reciever. My buddy sent his to Arizonia response system in Sept. He is still waiting.

Anyone get their STG58 kits from these guys? Is the price for the kits fair?

http://www.gunthings.com/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I got my South African kit from Gun Things and built it up on an Imbel receiver. As far as I'm concerned they're stand up folks. honest and helpful.

When I ordered an excellent grade kit, even though they were out of stock, they held my order until they got new inventory in (A couple of weeks). The bolt and carrier were practically new and unused. The lower receiver was barely scratched--except for the arc that the safety-selector switch travels.

-hanko
02-11-2005, 4:43 PM
Mine's an Imbel gl from TDW in Modesto. Lower & buttstock are Argentine (pretty sure) folder from Century a summer or 2 ago. Barrel is from a south African kit via gunpartsguy; cut to 16 inches and, so far, unthreaded. Possible additions to the barrel are either a shorty Stoll, a Venezuelan, or a regular Imbel fh.

I can get 1.5 moa from her with Australian ball ammo, which suprises the hell out of me, given my inherent lack of shooting ability and the length of the barrel. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

-hanko

Technical Ted
02-11-2005, 5:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
I can get 1.5 moa from her with Australian ball ammo, which suprises the hell out of me, given my inherent lack of shooting ability and the length of the barrel. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
FALs and clones are battle rifles proven by 50 countries over the course of it's nearly 50 years of active use (Prior to NATO's switch from 7.62mm to 5.56mm).

The British Commonwealth used it every environment between the arctic conditions of Northern Canada to the near antarctic latitudes of the Falklands.

Damn. Getting nostalgic thinking about it. Guess I know which one of my rifles I'm bringing to the range tomorrow http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.hunt101.com/img/079094.jpg

pidooma
02-11-2005, 6:25 PM
I have a bunch of FAL parts out to CGW to build up a Cali-legal FrankenFAL. Looking forward to it getting finished.

Unfortunately, making it Cali-legal and Federally compliant adds to the cost of building up a FAL. If you end up sending it out to get refinished and built up and use some decent parts, you can end up getting close to the cost of a standard M1A.

Despite the cost, still seems like a nice gun to have. Lots of history behind the FAL. I'm in the "Get Both" camp of FAL vs. M1A.

Steyr_223
02-11-2005, 8:38 PM
pidooma,

You have a SOCOM M1A right? Pretty sure I met you at Chabot. How do you like it? Why did you pick it say over a standard?

pidooma
02-11-2005, 9:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steyr_223:
pidooma,

You have a SOCOM M1A right? Pretty sure I met you at Chabot. How do you like it? Why did you pick it say over a standard? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm pretty sure we met at Chabot, but I don't have a SOCOM, just a standard M1A. Wouldn't mind having a SOCOM though.

icormba
02-12-2005, 2:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steyr_223:
Thanks guys, I may have to visit BigMAc and get an Imbel reciever. My buddy sent his to Arizonia response system in Sept. He is still waiting.

Anyone get their STG58 kits from these guys? Is the price for the kits fair?

http://www.gunthings.com/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's where I got mine... It's in pretty good condition, I ordered the $319.00 option. They didn't have the $339 offered. I ordered it just before all the others started selling them these past few weeks. Gunthings are charging the most for them, but people on FAL files are saying they are in the best condition.

FAC: http://www.gunsnstuff.net
is selling them as well... supposed to be pretty good also.

DSA has had them for a long time, don't know much about them.

CenterFireSystems has a bundle of them, but I hear those are only so so.

-hanko
02-12-2005, 3:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pidooma:
Unfortunately, making it Cali-legal and Federally compliant adds to the cost of building up a FAL. If you end up sending it out to get refinished and built up and use some decent parts, you can end up getting close to the cost of a standard M1A.

I'm in the "Get Both" camp of FAL vs. M1A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Out of the PRK, you still need the 6 or 7 US-compliant parts no matter what.

In the PRK, the stripper clip top cover is only $30. Fixing the mag catch can cost as little as a setscrew, if you already have the drill and tap. Maybe under $5 if you lack the tools.

Especially with a para, FAL parts can easily get past the cost of a base m1a. BUT, nowhere close to a gun with parts of equal quality to the FAL...namely, USGI. Take it s step further & price an authentic E2 stock, if you can find one. I don't know anyone who's picked the FAL over an M1A due to price; it's just a superior battle rifle http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Attired in Kevlar http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-hanko[/QUOTE]

pidooma
02-12-2005, 4:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pidooma:
Unfortunately, making it Cali-legal and Federally compliant adds to the cost of building up a FAL. If you end up sending it out to get refinished and built up and use some decent parts, you can end up getting close to the cost of a standard M1A.

I'm in the "Get Both" camp of FAL vs. M1A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Out of the PRK, you still need the 6 or 7 US-compliant parts no matter what.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. Those 6 or 7 US-compliant parts are needed outside the PRK.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
In the PRK, the stripper clip top cover is only $30. Fixing the mag catch can cost as little as a setscrew, if you already have the drill and tap. Maybe under $5 if you lack the tools.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget the $25 or so for the 10 round FAL magazine.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
Especially with a para, FAL parts can easily get the cost of a base m1a. BUT, nowhere close to a gun with parts of equal quality to the FAL...namely, USGI. Take s step further & price an authentic E2 stock, if you can find one. I don't know anyone who's picked the FAL over an M1A due to price; it's just a superior battle rifle http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Attired in Kevlar http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-hanko <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have been clearer and stated that the cost of building up a FAL kit can approach the cost of a standard (no frills) Springfield Armory M1A. An M1A with USGI parts would certainly start pulling ahead in price compared to a FAL kit build.

Regarding the FAL parts equal in quality to USGI (would that be Euro-GI?), it's a shame that 6 or 7 of those perfectly good parts have to be replaced with US commercial parts.

-hanko
02-12-2005, 9:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pidooma:
Regarding the FAL parts equal in quality to USGI (would that be Euro-GI?), it's a shame that 6 or 7 of those perfectly good parts have to be replaced with US commercial parts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, a real shame. It's a little subjective, but FN and Steyr pieces are every bit as well made as the internals of some current semi-custom production rifles (Dakota & Cooper, for instance). There is no camparison to Springfield's MIM stuff both in quality and lifespan.

THE major problem with building your own is there's always almost enough pieces left over to do another gun...

-hanko

Toms356
02-13-2005, 1:02 PM
I currently have a Fab10 with M4 upper and I would like to build a Cal legal FAL. Is there a summary list of what parts are needed? Are the parts kits referenced in this thread contain everything that need with the exception of the receiver? Also, where can get a Cal legal receiver?
Thanks, Tom

Technical Ted
02-13-2005, 1:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Toms356:
Is there a summary list of what parts are needed? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.cgwguns.com/NEW7usparts.html

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Are the parts kits referenced in this thread contain everything that need with the exception of the receiver? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Kits are derived from demilitarized rifles. Receivers are destroyed and parts are discarded in a manner proscribed by the ATFE.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, where can get a Cal legal receiver?
Thanks, Tom <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Receivers can be ordered through your FFL from a number of sources. Some local shops stock them. There are a couple in the SF Bay Area.