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sammy
08-28-2009, 9:32 PM
Hello all,

I have been head over heels shooting pistols over the last 2 years. Competiting in IDPA and USPSA. I have also been reloading for .45acp and 10mm with great results. I was asked by a friend to go shoot rifles at USI today so I blew the dust off the the Rock River and let him shoot. Needless to say he is hooked but I want to go in another direction.

What I am looking for is a bolt gun. I am thinking .223, that way I can kill 2 birds with one stone and load for the black rifles as well. Then the .308 calls out to me. I don't own anything in .308 but would like to shoot out to 500+ yards at my folks place.

Where should I start?

Thanks, Sammy

Requiem
08-28-2009, 9:35 PM
Remington 700 seems to be the basic that everyone loves... it's proven, reliable, and accurate for a lower end bolt rifle. If you want you can upgrade alot. Plus it's offered in .223 AND .308 whichever way you go. There's a few that go on the FS forum for less than $1000, scope bipod and all. That's what's going to be my first bolt gun.

BillyGoatMachine
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Remington 700 seems to be the basic that everyone loves... it's proven, reliable, and accurate for a lower end bolt rifle. If you want you can upgrade alot. Plus it's offered in .223 AND .308 whichever way you go. There's a few that go on the FS forum for less than $1000, scope bipod and all. That's what's going to be my first bolt gun.

The Remington 700 is not a lower end bolt rifle. It's a top notch gun that shoots great right out of the box, and can be upgraded to you hearts desire. If your shooting around 500 or more, definitely go with the .308. .223 can do it for sure, but .308 is far superior to the .223 when reaching out there.

Noobert
08-28-2009, 10:45 PM
definately a 700

Requiem
08-28-2009, 10:47 PM
The Remington 700 is not a lower end bolt rifle. It's a top notch gun that shoots great right out of the box, and can be upgraded to you hearts desire. If your shooting around 500 or more, definitely go with the .308. .223 can do it for sure, but .308 is far superior to the .223 when reaching out there.

I wasn't dissing the 700. I know it's a great shooter... just saying if you wanted to talk in terms of price, the 700 is on the lower end of that scale.

H2H
08-28-2009, 10:48 PM
700 5R: awesome shooter right out of the box. Retails for around $1200 then spend even more for the glass.

don't go cheap on the scope.

oh yeah check out:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

and customs here:

http://www.gaprecision.net/

http://www.surgeonrifles.com/homepage/

BillyGoatMachine
08-28-2009, 10:50 PM
I wasn't dissing the 700. I know it's a great shooter... just saying if you wanted to talk in terms of price, the 700 is on the lower end of that scale.

I didn't mean to imply you were. I just didn't want to OP to think the 700 was a lower end rifle.

rumblebee
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
I just made the jump on a 700 XCR Tac Long Range myself (.308).....but, don't forget about the Tikka t3 too. I was real close to pulling the trigger on one of those...but, in the end the 700 was the one I ended up going with.

I'd go with .308 over the .223...but, that's just me ;)

fusionstar
08-28-2009, 11:34 PM
700 5R: awesome shooter right out of the box. Retails for around $1200 then spend even more for the glass.

don't go cheap on the scope.

oh yeah check out:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

and customs here:

http://www.gaprecision.net/

http://www.surgeonrifles.com/homepage/



actually I've seen new 5r's for less than $999.95

Which are great bargains for what they are capable of doing.

Spearo
08-28-2009, 11:51 PM
Rem 700 is a good choice. My only gripe is no mauser action.

fcr
08-29-2009, 9:15 AM
actually I've seen new 5r's for less than $999.95

Which are great bargains for what they are capable of doing.

What is it about the 5R ? I am eventually getting a .308 and it is one of my considerations.

Phil3
08-29-2009, 10:08 AM
Two different views on it. I thought about it, but am inclined to get a Savage Long Range Precision Varminter in 6BR.

http://www.snipercentral.com/milspec5r.phtml

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/Rem_M700_StainlessSpecial5RMilspec.asp

The Savage. Available also in 204, 22-250, .223, besides 6mmBR, and with some optional twist rates. This rifle is HEAVY, with a 1", 26" long bull barrel.

http://www.gunblast.com/Savage_12PV.htm

http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/savage-6br-factory-rifle-delivers-superb-accuracy/

- Phil

BigBamBoo
08-29-2009, 10:14 AM
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GrinderCB
08-29-2009, 10:45 AM
Was just browsing the Marketplace and saw that a Remington 700 was just posted for sale. Seems to be the contemporary bolt action of choice.

Phil3
08-29-2009, 11:34 AM
And then one day....maybe you will shoot a Tikka.....and you go WOW....why did I buy a Remington?

Don't get me wrong....Remmy's are good rifles and once you buy one you then can mod it up and put a bunch of money into it to make it a great rifle...or for 1/2 or more of the price (depending on model)...you can buy a Tikka and do nothing to it and it will be a 1/2" five shot group shooting rifle with factory ammo out of the box.

Oh...and yes....I have owned TWO Remmy 5R's.....and the gent (who I will not name) who I sold one to here on CG sold it and bought a Tikka Tactical....and his opinion is the same.

Good luck on your search....post what you end up with and range reports too.

Take care,Stan

See www.snipershide.com. Tikkas are highly regarded. I like this one myself

http://www.tikka.fi/t3models.php?tactical
http://www.snipercentral.com/tikkat3.htm

- Phil

cbn620
08-29-2009, 11:47 AM
I'm a big fan of Savage, but what do I know--you're the one that's gotta shoot it, not me. Once you've figured out what kind of shooting you're going to be doing with it, you need to first figure out cartridge. I wouldn't even worry about the gun itself until you've thought long and hard, and eventually decided on, the cartridge you want to shoot. After that look at models from Remington, Savage, Tikka, Howa, Browning, FN Herstal, etc. Consider what feels good in your hands. At this point I would not worry about crazy modifications, since it's a first rifle; so in other words I probably would not choose one based on the kind of aftermarket parts/customization services available.

The way I see it, you're not going to get it 100% on your first rifle, so no need to obsess over it. Get something that works and feels good. You'll learn your preferences, what works/doesn't for you personally, and down the road a higher end, super-duper custom rifle could be in the works.

No one buys a Maserati for their first car, and for good reason.

Anyways good luck in your endeavors and happy shooting to ya.

edit:

P.S. - Don't skimp on the glass. You need good optics. People skip over the scope like it's nothing, but it's one of the most integral pieces to the rifle. I recommend Leupold, but this is another subject entirely so I won't go into it at much more length.

22popnsplat
08-29-2009, 4:24 PM
I recently bought a savage .223 in model 112bvss-s , I have taken it to the range 3 times and I already have a load the shoots 5 shot groups in the low 3s at 100 yards, How good will it end up shooting ? who knows ? .
One of the nice things about the savage is the fact that the end user can change a barrel with a minimal investment in tools , so its pretty easy to change calibers . There are limitations though , You need to keep and eye on action lengths and the required bolt head dimensions .

Jimmy Deuce
08-29-2009, 5:25 PM
I would try this one. I picked up one my self recently. Howa M1500 tactical 20 inch heavy contour barrel .308 scope, base, and rings included. Mind you not the best glass but still under $700 out the door. Just add ammo. From what I read Howa estimates accuracy at 1 1/2 MOA. Reviews I have read about Howa with match ammo and a good shooter can reach 3/4 MOA.
http://www.turners.com/engage/ads/08-28-09/howa1500.gif

BigBamBoo
08-29-2009, 5:30 PM
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mds2004
08-29-2009, 5:34 PM
My first rifle was a single action .22lr when growing up. Even though how little it is, I cannot help but go back to that rifle. Out of all the guns in the house, this is definitely my favorite rifle to come back to.

yock
08-29-2009, 5:49 PM
I shot a friends 700 in .308 I shot less than .75moa first time shooting larger than .223. He has had a .50ish moa and I have seen smaller with match grade ammo at 100 yards. And I have seen/heard him hit a 8 inch dinger at 750 yards. That will be the first bult gun I buy. Oh and he did do some work to it.

Bongos
08-29-2009, 5:57 PM
R&D Precision is one of the best in Industry, up there with GAP.. just 1/3 to 1/2 the price. Rem 700 is the way to go, if you can afford +$3,000 look at Guardian, or Scapel.
308 is the the Champ from 300 to beyond 800 yards. It's a great round with manageable recoil... just long enough to recover from recoil to see bullet impact 500 yrds.
223 is pushing it out past 400 yards, I'd look at a 6mm223, 6mmBR, 243 or 260 Remington.

rg_1111@yahoo.com
08-29-2009, 6:45 PM
700 with good glass.

Phil3
08-29-2009, 7:13 PM
I would try this one. I picked up one my self recently. Howa M1500 tactical 20 inch heavy contour barrel .308 scope, base, and rings included. Mind you not the best glass but still under $700 out the door. Just add ammo. From what I read Howa estimates accuracy at 1 1/2 MOA. Reviews I have read about Howa with match ammo and a good shooter can reach 3/4 MOA.
http://www.turners.com/engage/ads/08-28-09/howa1500.gif

One of these two is based on the Howa. The other Remington 700.

http://www.snipercentral.com/scriflepackages.phtml

- Phil

heycorey
08-29-2009, 7:22 PM
Has anyone mentioned the Remington 700 yet ...?