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tkimerer@aol.com
03-20-2005, 6:52 PM
I was wondering if anyone new of the legality of armor piercing bullets.Specifically what are the legalities of owning them. I was under the impression that loaded ammunition with ap rounds were illegal, but I saw some for sale at gunshow(i know, doesn't make it legal). Is it legal to have just the armor piercing bullet provided it isn't loaded into a case with powder and primer.Thanks for any info anyone has or any links to the legalese would be appreciated http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif don't want to get strung up in this place just want to shoot http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif

tkimerer@aol.com
03-20-2005, 6:52 PM
I was wondering if anyone new of the legality of armor piercing bullets.Specifically what are the legalities of owning them. I was under the impression that loaded ammunition with ap rounds were illegal, but I saw some for sale at gunshow(i know, doesn't make it legal). Is it legal to have just the armor piercing bullet provided it isn't loaded into a case with powder and primer.Thanks for any info anyone has or any links to the legalese would be appreciated http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif don't want to get strung up in this place just want to shoot http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif

LongBch_SigP226
03-20-2005, 7:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7.62 Cavalier:
I was wondering if anyone new of the legality of armor piercing bullets.Specifically what are the legalities of owning them. I was under the impression that loaded ammunition with ap rounds were illegal, but I saw some for sale at gunshow(i know, doesn't make it legal). Is it legal to have just the armor piercing bullet provided it isn't loaded into a case with powder and primer.Thanks for any info anyone has or any links to the legalese would be appreciated http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif don't want to get strung up in this place just want to shoot http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12316.htm

tkimerer@aol.com
03-20-2005, 8:02 PM
So the armor piercing restriction applies to handgun ammunition only.I was mainly interested in rifle ammunition so that would explain the ap rounds I saw at the show

BigAL
03-21-2005, 5:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7.62 Cavalier:
So the armor piercing restriction applies to handgun ammunition only.I was mainly interested in rifle ammunition so that would explain the ap rounds I saw at the show </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What caliber were the AP rounds? Were the tips painted black?

BigAL
03-21-2005, 5:47 AM
From the ammo oracle:

"Q. Where can I get some M995 AP?

Unless you are in the military, you probably can't. This ammo is a fairly new item that is rare even in the military, as it is considered a "special issue" item. It is illegal for licensed dealers to sell AP ammo (except M2) to civilians and no components are available for reloading.

It will probably be many years before any M995 ammo is "demil'ed" (demilitarized, meaning disassembled) and components released. That's assuming AP bullets are still legal to possess as components at that time.

Be careful of scams. One of the authors has personally seen vendors selling Bosnian SS-109 ammo, which uses black tips instead of the more common green, as "armor piercing", implying that it is M995. It isn't. Another vendor was selling stripper clips (10 rounds) of US-made M855 with black-painted tips (likely painted by the vendor himself) for $5/clip. This vendor also heavily implies that this is M995, though I don't believe either vendor is familiar with that designation. Be very careful before spending your hard-earned cash..."

tkimerer@aol.com
03-21-2005, 6:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What caliber were the AP rounds? Were the tips painted black? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They were 5.56 nato rounds on stripper clips with black tips (and yes the tips looked painted)

the reason I asked This question in the first place is i was about to purchase some .30 cal armor piercing bullets(projectile only) for reloading

BigAL
03-21-2005, 2:12 PM
What you most likely saw was some unscrupulous dealer selling SS109/M855 and painting the tips black with nail polish or something similar. He prob figures that b/c it has a steel core that it is AP which is NOT the case. True 5.56 Nato AP is tungsten carbide cored and not sold to the public. Even in the military it is usually only available on SAW ammo belts. Buyer beware.

Oh and .30 cal AP is the only AP available to the public so that prob is the real deal. You can always check with a magnet.

-hanko
03-21-2005, 4:41 PM
Big Al beat me to the reply; illegal to manufacture & offer for sale, legal to have components & reload.

+1 on the SS109 = AP, but that opinion comes up quite often..

-hanko