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house
05-10-2005, 9:26 PM
I found a great stock i can not wait to put on my socom, the only issue is that it has a pistol grip. to the best of my knowledge this would make my socom very evil in the eyes of ca. my question is can i modify the mag system to be a fixed mag system to get around this? then just use stripper clips to load? how fixed does the system have to be?

thank for your input

Nick

house
05-10-2005, 9:26 PM
I found a great stock i can not wait to put on my socom, the only issue is that it has a pistol grip. to the best of my knowledge this would make my socom very evil in the eyes of ca. my question is can i modify the mag system to be a fixed mag system to get around this? then just use stripper clips to load? how fixed does the system have to be?

thank for your input

Nick

C.G.
05-10-2005, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">how fixed does the system have to be? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Technically, you would need to use a tool to remove it; however, you might be better off riveting it in case some state entity gets overzealous in law interpretation.

Josh
05-10-2005, 10:43 PM
someone on m-14forum.com did this.
Ask or do a search over there.

SI-guru
05-11-2005, 10:10 PM
Why do you want to neuter a fine SOCOM just to have a pistol grip ?
You can have this perfectly legal. Plus no need for bedding.

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C.G.
05-11-2005, 11:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why do you want to neuter a fine SOCOM just to have a pistol grip ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

An excellent point! http://www.calguns.net/bow.gif Maybe the same reason people put fake mag extensions on their FAB-10s? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SI-guru
05-12-2005, 1:49 AM
Big difference, FAB-10 is gay to begin with (even though I admit I have a few http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)
Pinning a SOCOM is like castrating yourself for no reason.

house
05-12-2005, 10:09 AM
well actually more than the pistol grip i like the telescoping stock, this reduces the size dramatically, plus the socom is already set up to accept stripper clips, which by the way are as fast as changing the mag... plus strippers are lighter and dont have springs to wear out...

comparing a stripper equipt socom to an fab-10 is not really apples to apples, seeing as you actually have to weld the mag in... and to reload you have to partially disassemble the action....

here is a thread about a ca legal socom (http://www.m-14forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8670&highlight=fixed+magazine)

SI-guru
05-12-2005, 11:26 AM
Good luck. Different strokes for different folks. I should stop my cheap shots. http://www.calguns.net/laughroll.gif
So you are getting a regular Sage EBR ?

Shark
05-13-2005, 1:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by house:
well actually more than the pistol grip i like the telescoping stock, this reduces the size dramatically, plus the socom is already set up to accept stripper clips, which by the way are as fast as changing the mag... plus strippers are lighter and dont have springs to wear out...
here is a thread about a ca legal socom (http://www.m-14forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8670&highlight=fixed+magazine) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am with jjc on this one.... seems like a pointless exercise. The SOCOM is not a bench rest shooter, its meant for CQB applications. Plus, you'll kill any resale value by altering the receiver.

Have you ever loaded stripper clips directly into an m14? They hold five rounds each and don't always cooperate. They also use a flat spring and do wear out so that rounds will fall out. They were not designed for repeated use and the purpose of the stripper clip guide on the M14 is to top-off a mag after partially emptying it, not reload it completely.

I'd be willing to bet good money that I could change out my mag before you get half-way done with doing a stripper clip reload. Fine motor skills are the first thing to go under stress and loading with strippers requires finger tips, while loading mags requires hands. If you want a ten-round fixed mag rifle, go with the SKS. They use 10rd and are meant to be loaded that way. Otherwise, go with an M1 Garand, which can be loaded faster than an M14, if you know what you are doing.

As far as wanting a short-stock on your SOCOM, I would suggest fitting a shorter, fixed buttstock that has about an 11.5" LOP on the SAGE. If you go any shorter than that, you'll be eating a face full of receiver, especially going prone, from the recoil.

Check out www.law483.com (http://www.law483.com) and he will hook you up. I am having him fit a Hogue Short LOP Mossberg stock on my Sage that will have a 11.5" LOP and a Rooster's cheek rest. I also had LAW483 modify a USGI synthetic stock to that length. It makes the rifle handle very fast.

bwiese
05-13-2005, 1:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">house wrote:
...how fixed does the system have to be? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">cg wrote:
Technically, you would need to use a tool to remove it; however, you might be better off riveting it in case some state entity gets overzealous in law interpretation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need for riveting.
CaliFALs (only those whose receivers are not made by FN) with pistol grips, for example, only need the mag to be secured with screw(s). They do not have to be permanently welded in, etc.

The only reason freaky ARs variants like Vulcan have pinned and maybe welded mags is that ARs were made 'special' by Kasler decision: they are not 'generic' by-feature AWs.

If, for whatever strange reason, you wanted an M1A with pistol grip, just have the magazine fixed w/screws and that requires some time & a tool to remove so mag is not 'readily detachable'. Also make sure this rifle does NOT have a flash hider and only a muzzle brake.

But I'd rather have detachable mag any day than feeding gun w/ stripper clips.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

SI-guru
05-13-2005, 5:14 PM
Vertical grip &lt;check&gt;, 11.5 LOP &lt;check&gt;, Cali legal &lt;check&gt;

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