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Bruce
02-08-2005, 1:45 AM
I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. I referred to his rant as "gunshop commando" stuff and received a "private message" offering to kick my a*s if I had the nerve to call him that to his face.(This responsible(?) gun owner lives on the East Coast.)
I for one am tired of hearing how California is the root of all evil in the world. Is it just me or do these California-Bashers tick off others of you who are natives of the Golden State? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Bruce
02-08-2005, 1:45 AM
I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. I referred to his rant as "gunshop commando" stuff and received a "private message" offering to kick my a*s if I had the nerve to call him that to his face.(This responsible(?) gun owner lives on the East Coast.)
I for one am tired of hearing how California is the root of all evil in the world. Is it just me or do these California-Bashers tick off others of you who are natives of the Golden State? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Technical Ted
02-08-2005, 3:24 AM
That's why this board exists.

snwnme@realguns.com
02-08-2005, 5:19 AM
You should've invited him over to try.

BTW, it's not Kali that "caused" those S&W locks. IIRC, it's MD.

50 Freak
02-08-2005, 5:32 AM
Yeah, a personal pet peeve I have is all the people out there that don't know their head from an ***-Ole regarding Cali gun laws but yet love to write long posts on other boards about how we in Cali can only have slingshots (as long as we don't carry more than 10 rocks legally kept in a locked container)

Cali I hate to admit it is a "whipping boy" for the rest of the states as we are a "shining example" of a responsible gun community. I had been warning others on various other boards that Cali may be very strict on gun laws but we're not the only ones, look at MA or NY or DC. Hell some of those are worse than us in some aspects of gun laws, but again, to everyone, Cali is the worse of the offenders.

Personally I think it is a little jealousy from other states. We have fantastic weather, women and good paying jobs (sort of). And gun ownership I hate to admit it is not always my number one priority in picking where I live. Family, Friends and Jobs are.

02-08-2005, 6:39 AM
Just keep baiting them and see how mad they get, sooner or later they will give up or go away.

As long as you live in Kali you'll have to deal with idiots that think it's all OUR fault. Try going to arf.com under the "hometown" section, it amazes me at the number of people from other states that post there.

Ford8N
02-08-2005, 6:46 AM
Anyone who is to the point of wanting to threaten physical violence because of some internet post, needs to get a life. They have serious problems!

Not all of Kali is anti-gun. I Kali bash all the time, but it as a whole, is not the source of the problem. I can point out that most of the state is red. It's generally the big population countys that go blue. A similar thing goes on in NY. Sadly, Fienstien and Boxer are from blue counties and don't represent my point of view in congress. And I have been all over the Western US, we do have the best paying jobs. That's why I stay. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif$

And I have been all over the western US. We do have the best looking women per capita. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

imported_11Z50
02-08-2005, 7:29 AM
I agree the $$$ is best here. That's what keeps me here. If a guy can do well enough financially he can take a trip to the free states from time to time. The area I live is very much different from the blue (metro) counties. Guns and shooting are a normal part of nearly everybody's life. Sadly, as I've said many times before, the big populated areas control the vote, which equals geeks like Fienstien and Boxer et al in power. The central part of the state should seceede, we have little in common with LA or SF.

ivanimal
02-08-2005, 10:28 AM
I believe Washington DC, New York City and the state of New Jersey have imposed more threatening handgun proposals and laws than us, or them or we or I dunno. Who is to blame for all this dreck? Not you anyway. The guy should leave you alone except that he may be a mouth breather in which case he may never change. You can’t teach some people. http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif

02-08-2005, 10:32 AM
I'll just state it up front. From time to time I engage in Cali bashing. However, it is not to disparage the people of California nor the state itself. I am a Cali native. I love Cali. I will most likely never leave Cali. As a native I believe I have a right to bash incredibly bad and probably unconstitutional decisions made by our wonderful state government. However, to claim that Cali gun control laws "caused" the locks on S&W's is simply ignorant. To then threaten physical violence, well that's pathological.

Braz
02-08-2005, 10:54 AM
I bash Kali sometimes,

But I chose to live there for good reasons. It's the greatest state in the union, with respects to my Texas upbringing. Unfortunatly, too many people agree with me. It just got too crowded. And crowds bring silly laws. Of course California wasn't responsible for the locks. But Boxer, Fienstien and company are loading up national bills as well as state proposals.

It wasn't until I moved away that I realized how far from average American gun rights we had fallen. My first gunshow was a wakeup call. I wish you folks who choose to stay the very best, but I fear each year brings more rules and unfair laws upon decent Californian gunowners. In any case, have fun, and good shooting!

jared@barringtons.com
02-08-2005, 11:10 AM
I moved to California from Alaska when I was 8 years old and lived here until I was 18, where I began living back and fourth between California and Florida ( and spent some time in Texas ) so it is clear that California is the place I grew up in. However, I do not live by the "team player, home team" rules, and am outright against them, as they only serve to distort our concept of reality and lead to us backing things up that we shouldn't.
The truth is, California is one of the worst places in the entire country on a political scale and many corrupt and sinister political operations started here and continue to do so.
While the teratorial portion of California is consurvative, the liberal ideals and way of mind spread very wide and deap.
I was a liberal myself between the ages of 14 and 18, surrounded by liberals between the ages of 9 and early 18 and know the type of people and way of reasoning like I know my own name.
Quite frankley, their common behavioral pattern is very noticable on this forum by a large portion of it's members. In fact, in some cases, the only difference I see is what they stand for, while the way of mind and reasoning is exactley the same.
Some of you may think this is just common humanity. If you think so, then you need to visit some of the truley consurvative parts of the country more.
Another part of the problem is that many gun owners, particularley in this state seam to have the idea in mind that gun control is the soul evil of this state. While it may be your specialty, it is still only one piece of the pie. It is quite common for gun owners, especially in liberal states to make the same "un-researched" missjudgments on other important issues that they so dearley hate others making on them, abortion being the most common. In that respect, who is to say that you yourself are not a part of the problem in this state?
Evil is not limited to gun control. California is all in all, a very corrupt place and how can the people of California come together and mend the state to the wonderful place it once was when they are throwing the same cheap punches at eachother on different issues.
As for the issues on hand, I don't know enough about them to make any kind of judgment.

jnojr
02-08-2005, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bruce:
I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How'd he come to that conclusion? There's only one entity who could have put locks in S&Ws, and that entity is... S&W. Every other gun manufacturer in the world hasn't done so because of CA law... they let us pay our $6 or whatever extra to buy another stupid lock that sits in a drawer gathering dust.

You ran into an idiot. No big surprise... the world is full of 'em.

walkerboh4269
02-08-2005, 1:06 PM
I agree idiots are everywhere.

When I lived in Texas some of the people out there would say some strange things after they found out I was from California.

My favorite was the guy who told me that you can walk down the street smoking marijuana and the Cops could not touch you because Ca law made pot legal. Even after I explained the real law to him he still insisted that he was right.

PinnedAndRecessed
02-08-2005, 1:15 PM
As one who has lived all over the United States I can only say that the bashing is somewhat justified.

California has long been a conduit for anti-Americanism and socialist politics for the rest of the country. It is naive to think otherwise.

The only thing that is not justified is to lump all of us with the socialists and perverts which the rest of the nation thinks typifies our state.

When I moved here I assumed all California was Charles Manson/L.A. Watts riots mentality. I was actually surprised to see significant religious and political conservativism.

Granted, some people in some areas make more money. Per capita, however, we don't do much better than other places.

The food is the best, at least until we eliminate farmland in favor of houses at grossly inflated prices.

The weather is truly spectacular. That might be enough to keep me here. But I doubt it.

Everyplace has good and bad. It just depends upon your priorities. I don't think we should get our panties in a twist just because someone has something negative to say, however. It goes with the territory.

02-08-2005, 4:59 PM
44 Cannon - I debated back and forth about whether or not to respond to your post. In the end curiosity got the best of me so...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 44 Canon:
However, I do not live by the "team player, home team" rules, and am outright against them, as they only serve to distort our concept of reality and lead to us backing things up that we shouldn't.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What do you mean by this statement. What exactly is it that "distorts our concept of reality"? What are we led to back that we should not support?</span>

The truth is, California is one of the worst places in the entire country on a political scale and many corrupt and sinister political operations started here and continue to do so.
While the teratorial portion of California is consurvative, the liberal ideals and way of mind spread very wide and deap.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">California certainly is bad when it comes to corruption. No argument there. However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. With that said, I think it is a gross mischaracterization to imply that the liberal mindset is pervasive in the state. By the way, what do you mean by "teratorial" portion of California? Do you mean the more rural areas?</span>

Quite frankley, their common behavioral pattern is very noticable on this forum by a large portion of it's members. In fact, in some cases, the only difference I see is what they stand for, while the way of mind and reasoning is exactley the same.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What behavior pattern is it that you notice being exhibited by "a large portion" of the members of this forum? </span>

Another part of the problem is that many gun owners, particularley in this state seam to have the idea in mind that gun control is the soul evil of this state. While it may be your specialty, it is still only one piece of the pie. Evil is not limited to gun control.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What gives you the idea that many gun owners in this state belive that California gun-control laws are the sole evil of the state? I actually do not personally know any California gun owner that believe gun-control gone wild is the sole problem with the government in California. Remember, this is a forum for gun owners to discuss gun related issues. </span> QUOTE]

02-08-2005, 8:23 PM
My generic response for "Cali-bashing" is to point out that our state feeds the rest of the nation (many of the welfare states) billions of dollars a year that we never see a return on. Without California's economy, the rest of the country would suffer horrendously.
If that doesn't shut them up, I point out that in February, I often am wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
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icormba
02-09-2005, 5:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Basura Blanca:
If that doesn't shut them up, I point out that in February, I often am wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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besides that... I like to add what other State can you do the following:
go to the mountains, go snow skiing, go to the desert, go to the beach all within the same week?

or I just post a couple of these pictures:

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/Yosemite/Img_0183.jpg

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/campkautzky/Image32.jpg

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/carmel12_26_00/14.jpg

imported_booknut
02-10-2005, 12:02 AM
I just think it's funny how folks like to make statements.
"You know what they say about living in_______(name your state, county, town), if you don't like the weather just wait a minute!" Hardeeharhar!

In ANY state, you are going to have areas that appear more Liberal, Conservative, Democratic, Republican, Green, whatever.

When I lived in Alaska I kept hearing from people outside the state how 'wild' it is to live there. I mean, dogmushers tearing through town, bars open all hours with gold prospectors spending all their gold there, people getting government land for cheap or free to build a homestead on, etc.

Alaska has active Dem/Rep/Green and Independence parties.
You'll fine enviromentalists as well as the 'let's dig up everything' folks.

In Texas, I used to have people tell me you could strap on your ole' sixshooter and walk through town while carrying your Bowie knife on the other side.
That folks still could be hanged for being horse theives, etc.

Just like everywhere else, you have all sorts of people with all sorts of ideas on how to run things in Texas.

Same thing in Oklahoma, Georgia, North Carolina, New Mexico hmmm where else have I lived hmmmm?

It's the same old thing everywhere I go. People want to talk about how original or special their state is and then run down the people of another state.
I'm living in a county with LOTS of rednecks AND hippies.
Oh, and by the way, if you don't like the weather up here...wait a minute, it'll change.
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ivanimal
02-10-2005, 12:11 AM
It is always better or worse some hwere else. I love this state. icorumba I dont know whether or not to applaude you or call you names. Those pictures make me want to dust off the Jeep and head for the hills! Too much snow http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

02-10-2005, 1:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icormba:
besides that... I like to add what other State can you do the following:
go to the mountains, go snow skiing, go to the desert, go to the beach all within the same week? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same week? Same day man. Same frickin' day if you want!

02-10-2005, 1:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by booknut:

When I lived in Alaska I kept hearing from people outside the state how 'wild' it is to live there. I mean, dogmushers tearing through town, bars open all hours with gold prospectors spending all their gold there, people getting government land for cheap or free to build a homestead on, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot to mention that the price of an igloo was only around $45,000 on a good size lot.
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02-10-2005, 1:20 AM
I was visiting with extended in-laws in West Virginia a few years back. A few of those folks had never ventured out much farther than that general area of the country (PA, VA, WV, MD, etc.) It was strange though, how many of them seemed to have all sorts of preconceived "expert" notions about what California was like - especially places like L.A. in particular.

In a way, I guess it's good to let some of those notions remain intact (it keeps the West Virginians out of the Golden State http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), but on the other hand, it's downright sad that some people have such a limited view of what the rest of the country is really like.

Ford8N
02-10-2005, 6:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it's downright sad that some people have such a limited view of what the rest of the country is really like.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meet people like that when I'm out of state too. It's funny that the so called worldly experts also happen to be the ones who have never been out side of their own county. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.calguns.net/laughroll.gif

jared@barringtons.com
02-10-2005, 1:53 PM
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What do you mean by this statement. What exactly is it that "distorts our concept of reality"? What are we led to back that we should not support?</span>

WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS STUFF TO YOU GUYS!?
Team player = Standing behind your state, city, group etc. just because that's what your from/part of. In the end, you end up supporting them when their wrong or going against what's real.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">California certainly is bad when it comes to corruption. No argument there. However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. With that said, I think it is a gross mischaracterization to imply that the liberal mindset is pervasive in the state. By the way, what do you mean by "teratorial" portion of California? Do you mean the more rural areas?</span>

Teratorial means by land mass as opposed to outright population. I've seen quite a bit of the state, and I have never incountered any comunity or area where even among the consurvative crowd, liberal idealism and/or way of thinking has bled in to. Their is an old saying: Birds of a feather Flock together, or, one bad apple spoils the bunch. Some peoples resistance to social influence is better then others, but to live in this state and NOT pick up on liberal idealism, you have got to be extreamley strong in this area. Most people in this state i've come across are camilians. Keep in mind that I said most, not all.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What behavior pattern is it that you notice being exhibited by "a large portion" of the members of this forum? </span>

I have ALLOT of work to do between now and saturday afternoon, but some time this week, i'll go to some primearally liberal forums I am a member of and grab some stuff off of this one to show you.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What gives you the idea that many gun owners in this state belive that California gun-control laws are the sole evil of the state? I actually do not personally know any California gun owner that believe gun-control gone wild is the sole problem with the government in California. Remember, this is a forum for gun owners to discuss gun related issues. </span>

That is true. The problem is that to many gun owners in California are vurbal and/or active supporters of other corruptions in the state. If they support it, then what more do you need?

02-14-2005, 1:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macman:

However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not that it really matters, but if you mean Mcgreevey, he voluntarily resigned after coming "out" and admitting to an affair he had with another man.
I don't think there was any other issue attached to it (abuse of power), but I could be wrong.

02-14-2005, 1:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 44 Canon:

WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS STUFF TO YOU GUYS!?
Team player = Standing behind your state, city, group etc. just because that's what your from/part of. In the end, you end up supporting them when their wrong or going against what's real. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you bring it up in a way that's unclear, be prepared to explain yourself. Macman's question (one which you skirted) was a valid inquiry in my opinion. Besides, you're simply equivocating your poor analogy of "team player" with someone that blindly follows the mandates of our state government. That isn't even what was asked.

So what is it that the large majority of the population is being led to support that is "wrong" or goes against what is "real" simply because they reside in California and stand behind their love of the state (not the government)?

Try it again. Or will this end up like our discussion about PTSD?

02-14-2005, 1:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 44 Canon:

I have ALLOT of work to do between now and saturday afternoon, but some time this week, i'll go to some primearally liberal forums I am a member of and grab some stuff off of this one to show you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm waiting with bated breath for this.
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02-18-2005, 8:07 PM
Still waiting...

Bling Bling
02-18-2005, 10:00 PM
I can defnitely understand why others bash CA. C'mon take a look at our last gubernatorial race. How can ANYONE take CA seriously?? You have got to be kidding me! GARY COLEMAN RAN FOR GOVERNOR! Not to mention the biggest embarrassment to this state barbara boxer and diane feinstein. They've stunk up this state and now they are polluting our federal gov. How can you blame them for hating CA?

CA sucks but there ARE advantages to living here. We get good weather, higher pay checks, and beautiful country. That's worth a little embarrassment.

HEWA195@CS.COM
02-20-2005, 12:56 AM
I have given up on the idea we are going to get our gun rights back. I am going to Nevada this year. Yes CA has alot to offer. It also has alot of things wrong too. 36.5 million people,expensive housing,business restrictions,etc.. Yes wages are lower in NV ,but their is no state income tax or SDI taken out of your check either.I have found jobs in my trade that are paying what I make here. That will be like getting a raise due to the lesser taxes.You may get paid more ,but you also spend more on comparable items in CA. How come we have refineries in our back yard and we are paying what we are for gas. My friend in Texas was paying .99 a gal up until last year. When he came back from Japan in 1998 it was .79.Now it is around $1.50 Yes we feed the nation,but our farmers are getting killed by imports. Just drive down the central valley and see how many orchards ,vineyards ,and other farm land is now being used to grow homes. I have a hard time with a Governor who wants to give ILLEGAL immigrants drivers licenses. I will give them something-a one way ride home. What part of ILLEGAL don't they understand? Crime is going up in my area,gangs,drugs,school disrtict is a mess,and other factors have led me to leave the state I have lived in for almost 40 years. I can always visit CA from my new free state.

44 CANNON--dude get a spell checker or a dictionary! I keep one next to the computer to double check all the time. Yes I still miss some words ,but not that many.