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leswift
05-08-2005, 7:36 AM
Check out Casull Firearms and Double Tap Ammo. The MagSafe 357 Sig has been 64 grs at 2100 fps in a 4" barrel for almost a decade now. The 9x25 and .38 Casull hold a lot more powder than the Sig case, and 1" more barrel usually adds almost 100 fps with the really high velocity loads. So you are looking at 60 grs at 2300-2400 fps. So much for the claims that we "can't" attain rifle velocities in a pistol, hmm? The 150 gr 30-30 is but 2400 fps. The 7.62x39 load is but 2300 fps. The 170 gr 30-30 load is 2200 fps. I guess those aren't rifle loads? An 18" barreled 308 Scout Rifle starts a 180 gr bullet at a mere 2400 fps. So I guess a Scout rifle at 50m is no longer "rifle performance?

leswift
05-08-2005, 7:36 AM
Check out Casull Firearms and Double Tap Ammo. The MagSafe 357 Sig has been 64 grs at 2100 fps in a 4" barrel for almost a decade now. The 9x25 and .38 Casull hold a lot more powder than the Sig case, and 1" more barrel usually adds almost 100 fps with the really high velocity loads. So you are looking at 60 grs at 2300-2400 fps. So much for the claims that we "can't" attain rifle velocities in a pistol, hmm? The 150 gr 30-30 is but 2400 fps. The 7.62x39 load is but 2300 fps. The 170 gr 30-30 load is 2200 fps. I guess those aren't rifle loads? An 18" barreled 308 Scout Rifle starts a 180 gr bullet at a mere 2400 fps. So I guess a Scout rifle at 50m is no longer "rifle performance?

snwnme@realguns.com
05-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Nice numbers compared to the 30-30 and 7.62 Russian. But how do the Dillon and Casull rounds compare to varmint rounds of the same weight?

leswift
05-09-2005, 10:27 AM
that's not relevant. The ISSUE is performance against MEN. We don't need 3000+ fps for rifle type performance against men.

snwnme@realguns.com
05-09-2005, 1:51 PM
Well, the good ol' (and speedy) SS 109 out of an M16 is thought of as marginal against men in some quarters, thus bringing about a new 6.8mm round.

I would imagine that a handgun bullet of the same weight but going slower will perform even worse against humans. Definitely not rifle like performance because we took away the high speed from which these light bullets derive their energy.

imported_Matt-man
05-09-2005, 2:43 PM
How does the velocity look at 200, 300, 500 yards?

Wait a minute. Are you talking about the Magsafe projectile, or just some 60-grain bullet for the sake of argument?

leswift
05-10-2005, 1:04 PM
nobody uses a PISTOL for defense beyond 25m, and it's rare beyond 10m, Read the rules There are no complaints about 223 SOFTPOINTS and the handgun bullets I favor are not stupid FMJ types, either. Then re-read them I refer to a hollowbased, 3 segment prefrag, cast of pure tin.

imported_Matt-man
05-10-2005, 1:39 PM
Oh, I see, I'm the one being stupid. I thought rifle performance meant rifle performance.

BigAL
05-10-2005, 1:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Matt-man:
Oh, I see, I'm the one being stupid. I thought rifle performance meant rifle performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That depends on what the definition of "is" is. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

leswift
05-11-2005, 7:32 AM
rifle performance has to do with what the bullet does in the TARGET. when comparing what pistol bullets do in the TARGET. So yes, you are being stupid.

imported_Matt-man
05-11-2005, 9:44 PM
Wait, I think I've got this rifle performance thing figured out. You get rifle performance in a handgun, but only inside 25 meters (10 is better), against men, with a special projectile that you can't get in loaded ammunition, in chamberings nobody's heard of.

Sounds pretty good, where does the line form??