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hoffmang
08-21-2009, 11:16 PM
All,

Nordyke's oral argument (http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Nordyke-v-King/Nordyke-Argument-Order-2009-08-21.pdf) will be the morning of September 24 at 10AM. Sykes oral argument is at 2PM in Sacramento on the 24th.

Charter buses from SF to Sacto will be in the works. If anyone has a plane they can volunteer to move counsel from the SF to Sacto, please email me at hoffmang at hoffmang dot com.

-Gene

trashman
08-21-2009, 11:17 PM
Looking forward to it...got it on the calendar...

--Neill

anthonyca
08-21-2009, 11:20 PM
All,

Nordyke's oral argument (http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Nordyke-v-King/Nordyke-Argument-Order-2009-08-21.pdf) will be the morning of September 24 at 10AM. Sykes oral argument is at 2PM in Sacramento on the 24th.

Charter buses from SF to Sacto will be in the works. If anyone has a plane they can volunteer to move counsel from the SF to Sacto, please email me at hoffmang at hoffmang dot com.

-Gene

Are the times and dates a coincidence?:TFH:

Librarian
08-21-2009, 11:34 PM
Nordyke updated on the Wiki

wildhawker
08-21-2009, 11:36 PM
If no plane avail can we charter?

hoffmang
08-21-2009, 11:45 PM
If no plane avail can we charter?

By plane I was meaning charter.

I'm thinking we want to get the legal team to Sacramento with time to spare for the 2PM hearing. Nordyke should only take an hour but there are no guarantees it doesn't run 30 minutes over. That's enough time for the rest of us to get in a charter bus/cars and get to the hearing in Sacramento, but I want to make sure that the legal team can attend both with no risks of being late to Sacramento.

Now, there is a small chance that the 2PM Sacramento hearing could change...

-Gene

trashman
08-21-2009, 11:47 PM
I assume this has been looked into, but I do wonder if a chartered plane will save much time -- from SOMA you've either got to drive south to an airport, or north across a bridge to an airport.

Having a van+driver on standby outside the 9th Circuit might be the fastest way to convey counsel to Sacramento.

--Neill

truthseeker
08-21-2009, 11:52 PM
I assume this has been looked into, but I do wonder if a chartered plane will save much time -- from SOMA you've either got to drive south to an airport, or north across a bridge to an airport.

Having a van+driver on standby outside the 9th Circuit might be the fastest way to convey counsel to Sacramento.

--Neill

Except if there is a vehicle accident on the way to Sacramento the traffic will be horrible.

Librarian
08-21-2009, 11:52 PM
Both Sacramento International (hah!) and Executive airport (Freeport Blvd) to downtown court (501 I Street) is about 20 minutes, according to Google.

Helicopter from downtown to SFO?

hoffmang
08-21-2009, 11:54 PM
Wonder if we could get a CHP escort...

-Gene

trashman
08-21-2009, 11:57 PM
Except if there is a vehicle accident on the way to Sacramento the traffic will be horrible.

Yep.

--Neill

Mulay El Raisuli
08-22-2009, 4:08 AM
Except if there is a vehicle accident on the way to Sacramento the traffic will be horrible.



Do what I do: Motorcycle! When the traffic is bad, there's nothing like "white lining" to get to where you want to be. Its even kind of fun.

The Raisuli

Soldier415
08-22-2009, 4:41 AM
I wish I could be there.

pullnshoot25
08-22-2009, 5:16 AM
If you guys get a big-*** bus to charter and don't want to hire the driver (if that is possible), I can be a driver!

I'm being dead serious too!

yellowfin
08-22-2009, 5:21 AM
CGF will have an airforce now?

pullnshoot25
08-22-2009, 5:22 AM
CGF will have an airforce now?

Is that covered in the militia? ;)

Gentlemen, I might be able to make it that day. Hot friggin diggity.

glbtrottr
08-22-2009, 7:50 AM
San Francisco (SFO) seems to be the closest airport to the court no matter what.

In Sacramento, to those familiar, I'd ask which one poses the least amount of traffic risk: Sacramento International, or Executive. Rio Linda says more like 20, so...which one poses the least amount of risk or traffic?

I can fly people from SFO to Sacramento - in my Turbo Mooney it's around 27 minutes flight time. If someone thinks more than 2-3 people need to be flown, I can probably talk to someone who owns a charter company and is 2A friendly.

Gene, contact me anytime...

trashman
08-22-2009, 8:07 AM
I can fly people from SFO to Sacramento - in my Turbo Mooney it's around 27 minutes flight time.

Yeah!! Mooney FTW. Love those planes...

--Neill

sgtlmj
08-22-2009, 8:34 AM
Except if there is a vehicle accident on the way to Sacramento the traffic will be horrible.

If? Hah!

RP1911
08-22-2009, 8:55 AM
Sac airport to downtown is the best. It's about 8-10 miles out on I-5.

I might be able to pick up counsel team from the airport in our mini-van. How many will need a ride from airport to courthouse?

pullnshoot25
08-22-2009, 9:03 AM
San Francisco (SFO) seems to be the closest airport to the court no matter what.

In Sacramento, to those familiar, I'd ask which one poses the least amount of traffic risk: Sacramento International, or Executive. Rio Linda says more like 20, so...which one poses the least amount of risk or traffic?

I can fly people from SFO to Sacramento - in my Turbo Mooney it's around 27 minutes flight time. If someone thinks more than 2-3 people need to be flown, I can probably talk to someone who owns a charter company and is 2A friendly.

Gene, contact me anytime...

So RAD! I love surgical strike stuff like this :)

bulgron
08-22-2009, 9:10 AM
Do we know who's sitting on the en banc panel yet?

GaryV
08-22-2009, 9:17 AM
Do we know who's sitting on the en banc panel yet?

I don't know if anyone has any other source of info, but it appears the court website doesn't list the panel members till after arguments are heard, even though the panel is already selected.

hoffmang
08-22-2009, 9:40 AM
Do we know who's sitting on the en banc panel yet?

The Panel has not yet been announced. You can track it here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/enbanc/view.php?pk_id=0000000037

-Gene

Dirk Tungsten
08-22-2009, 9:42 AM
Heads up to anyone coming to this (legal team included) who's not familiar with this area: parking can be somewhat...competitive. Leave some time to walk a ways if needed, because you may end up parking blocks away.

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 9:51 AM
All, I am on vacation at this time and available to meet the Legal team at any airport in Sac and transport them to the front door of the courthouse for drop-off service. I will park and come in after dropping them off. I have a Toyota Sienna 7 seater. Please let me know if I can help.

Also, for the pilot: Have you considered Smith Ranch or Gnoss in Marin? They aren't too far up the road and there is no class B or SFO air traffic to worry about.


PM me if I can be of service!

RP1911
08-22-2009, 10:02 AM
^^^ Between you and me, we have it covered between Sac airport and downtown. I can carry six additional to me. First priority goes to legal team. Others will be in second van etc.

plm61
08-22-2009, 10:09 AM
If Sykes went beautifully and the district court found that personal protection was sufficient justification for issue of a CCW in the two counties involved, what would be the impact in other California jurisdictions?

Could I then apply to the City of Riverside, which likewise has written policy stating the self protection is insufficient cause, citing Sykes and would they be legally bound to grant me a license?

If not, what would be the legal path from a good outcome in Sykes to California essentially becoming a shall issue state?

wildhawker
08-22-2009, 10:15 AM
CA9

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 10:16 AM
^^^ Between you and me, we have it covered between Sac airport and downtown. I can carry six additional to me. First priority goes to legal team. Others will be in second van etc.

Sounds Awesome! Just glad I can help out. Let me know when and where and I'll be there. Already let the Wife know to save the date. So how do we orchestrate this? Who do I PM with my contact info? My van has 6 seats available also, 7 with driver.

hoffmang
08-22-2009, 10:26 AM
It does look like we're leaning ground transport for all but I will be checking in with the pilots.

Note that Sykes Oral Argument may be very brief and it's a virtual certainty that no merits decision will be made that day.

-Gene

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 10:33 AM
Gene, there are repaving projects happening all over highway 80. Just something to consider when time may be short and caltrans stands between where you are and where you need to go.

Also, If you need ground between SF and SAC, I can do that too. Just let me know.

wildhawker
08-22-2009, 10:39 AM
Check the Caltans sched closure list, should be avail. online. If not I'll get it from their TMC.

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 10:48 AM
Looks like most of the upcoming work that is expected to impact traffic is going to be east of SAC on 80. However, I drive between SF and Fairfield at least 4 times a week and there is major roadwork happening between Fairfield and Vacaville. It hasn't seemed to impact my commute though. Just be advised it's there.

artherd
08-22-2009, 11:58 AM
Have access to aircraft and, ahem "Expedited" ground transport at both locations. glbtrottr your mooney is probably faster than even the twin I was planning on - let's talk.

Working on a police escort to both airports and/or along the ground. If you are in LE in either CHP or either locality please contact me on that front.

Window_Seat
08-22-2009, 1:42 PM
Gene, there are repaving projects happening all over highway 80. Just something to consider when time may be short and caltrans stands between where you are and where you need to go. ...

On that note, not only are there highway construction projects going on through I-80, but off ramps at highway interchanges may be closed off. If checking on construction, you may want to also ask about ramp closures. Hopefully such closures only happens at night.

For those going through Livermore and Lodi, I-680 through Pleasanton & I-580 through Livermore and up the Altamont is a mess with construction, and it could be very slow. I-205 through Tracy has just been widened, but it's not completely done yet.

Division of Traffic Operations - Road Information - California Highway Information (http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi)

Erik.

wildhawker
08-22-2009, 2:11 PM
You can get an actual list of planned closures by hwy, postmile and lane no.

CSDGuy
08-22-2009, 2:22 PM
Just remember that if you can't use SFO with that Turbo Mooney, there's San Carlos Airport (SQL)...

MindBuilder
08-22-2009, 3:17 PM
Would it be legal to parachute down to the courthouse in Sacramento? :)

Have you considered a water route? I think you can get all the way to Sacramento by water. But I also think there is a speed limit which might be much too low. If there is a no wake speed limit, a hovercraft may be able to travel at high speed with no wake.

A water route might also be good for the first or last segments of the trip. Maybe to get from downtown to SFO Airport, or just across the bay. Surely there are plenty of CalGuns members with speedboats to get you across the bay.

You might also be able to get use of a yacht or barge to land a helicopter on near downtown. Larry Ellison has a yacht with TWO hellipads on it. I just cited that as trivia, I have no Idea if he supports the Second Amendment or if his yacht is anywhere nearby.

An amphibious seaplane is another possible option. Alaska is in the Ninth Circuit isn't it? There are lots of amphibs in Alaska. Maybe you can get some Alaskan to volunteer to fly down to visit his family and give the legal team a ride while he's down here. It might be legal to land in one of the canals in Sacramento, closer to the courthouse than an airport.

If you choose to drive, do they still have a ferry in San Francisco? That might be an alternate or more reliable route than the bridges. I thought I heard a story a while back about how the ferry became real popular while they were doing some work on a bridge. It's probably slow though.

Is BART reliable? Being able to bypass traffic gives it that potential. Though the execution of such things tends to fall far short of the potential.

It's a fun intellectual exercise, but all the elaborate plans above are probably overkill because it's probably sufficient to just have some guys on motorcycles follow the caravan in case you hit a traffic jam.

hoffmang
08-22-2009, 3:18 PM
Running the Delta really isn't a useful option.

We'll most likely just have ground transportation set up with an advance departure in case the en banc runs over for some of the attorneys.

-Gene

GaryV
08-22-2009, 3:25 PM
The Panel has not yet been announced. You can track it here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/enbanc/view.php?pk_id=0000000037

-Gene

If you look at this site, it doesn't appear that they announce there until after the arguments are heard. Not much use then. But according to their rules, the panel was selected the day after the announcement of the case being taken en banc, so there is already a chosen panel.

gucci pilot
08-22-2009, 4:09 PM
Wonder if we could get a CHP escort...

-Gene

How 'bout an escort from the Sac Sheriff Department? :p

hoffmang
08-22-2009, 4:39 PM
How 'bout an escort from the Sac Sheriff Department? :p

Sac Sheriff might send us on a long route off a short pier...

Also, en banc panels aren't necessarily drawn the day after. The panel will be announced before the hearing though.

-Gene

glbtrottr
08-22-2009, 4:47 PM
Happy to be at San Francisco Airport at the ready with engine rolling. I can be on the runway faster than most twins :)

I don't have to listen to the Oral Arguments (much as I would like to) if I end up being pilot for the day. Let me know where I need to be and I will be there with bells on...:) IFR, Class B, non issue...

Scarecrow Repair
08-22-2009, 4:49 PM
If people are going to travel by motorcycle between the two, maybe they could make sure to bring a spare helmet and keep the back seat vacant, then follow the vans, and if construction or accident slows things down, the legal beagles could transfer to motorcycle for some lane splitting speed goodness.

wildhawker
08-22-2009, 4:54 PM
Will some food and beverages for the attorneys be available during the transport?

Invisible_Dave
08-22-2009, 4:55 PM
This is becoming more intense then a presidential motorcade. Are the snipers ready to deploy? Maybe someone should grab lunch for legal team as time might be to lean for a healthy, brain aiding meal.

command_liner
08-22-2009, 6:36 PM
Wow, way complex, but neat to be at both.

Snipers? No need for those. But flares, smoke and chaff? Can do.

I am planning, roughly, on riding up from OC. I will take the rural inland
route and might stop over in San Benito where I have a place to stay.
If it rains, or threatens to, I could take the car.

People ask 'Why?'. I explain this is the last battle of the US Civil War.
It is being fought in a courthouse in SFO.

Note for those in OC. The Appleseed shoot at Raahaugie's is the weekend
before. It should be a good take.

hoffmang
08-22-2009, 8:21 PM
Lunch on the buses is a good idea....

-Gene

GoodEyeSniper
08-22-2009, 8:26 PM
How many people can be in these hearings? I'm going to ask for the 24th off from work next week....

oops
08-22-2009, 8:35 PM
if calguns starts their own flight department over this I'd like to send my resume in.. I only crash on occasion and drink very little while flying :cheers2::xwing:

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 8:45 PM
Can we LOC on Calguns flights? :patriot:

pullnshoot25
08-22-2009, 8:50 PM
These transport options are getting a little crazy! I FREAKING LOVE IT!

I am so excited about this. Someone buy my rifles so I can go on this trip!

sfpcservice
08-22-2009, 10:38 PM
The MV-22 Osprey would be perfect for this application. Someone call the Marines.

Are you kidding?!? That thing has killed somewhere on the order of 30 people during testing. Who's side are you on man? :D

pullnshoot25
08-23-2009, 12:42 AM
Are you kidding?!? That thing has killed somewhere on the order of 30 people during testing. Who's side are you on man? :D

You're right. The AV-8B Harrier is the only way to go!

Someone needs to make a film on this trip, it will be epic. This is beginning to sound a lot like a mix between the Italian Job and Ocean's Eleven, just without massive robberies.

Shotgun Man
08-23-2009, 1:14 AM
Why doesn't Nordyke counsel move to continue the oral argument in Sykes in view of competing scheduling concerns?

glbtrottr
08-23-2009, 7:35 AM
Our good friend pullnshoot likes airplanes with troubled histories. The Harrier used to be known as the Widowmaker in the Corps...some of my buddies who also got jets flew them....when Iraqi sand gets into all those nooks and crannies of a variable thrust system, it's like getting it in your shorts...not at all comfortable and sometimes disruptive of the mission :)

If some other pilot wants to fly up my other airplane for "redundancy" I'm game. :) The trip is only 67 miles away from San Fran to Sacto...

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2035

You're right. The AV-8B Harrier is the only way to go!

Someone needs to make a film on this trip, it will be epic. This is beginning to sound a lot like a mix between the Italian Job and Ocean's Eleven, just without massive robberies.

sfpcservice
08-23-2009, 8:30 AM
This is beginning to sound a lot like a mix between the Italian Job and Ocean's Eleven, just without massive robberies.

Oh there will be robberies, it will be us robbing the anti's of their hopes and dreams.

hoffmang
08-23-2009, 9:19 AM
Why doesn't Nordyke counsel move to continue the oral argument in Sykes in view of competing scheduling concerns?

As a general statement, we are fighting to clock across the board strategically, thus the sense of urgency.

-Gene

Dirtbozz
08-23-2009, 9:32 AM
As a general statement, we are fighting to clock across the board strategically, thus the sense of urgency.

-Gene

Now is not the time for delay. Any postponement would be a set back.

The ainti's would love to see it.

pullnshoot25
08-23-2009, 9:49 AM
Our good friend pullnshoot likes airplanes with troubled histories. The Harrier used to be known as the Widowmaker in the Corps...some of my buddies who also got jets flew them....when Iraqi sand gets into all those nooks and crannies of a variable thrust system, it's like getting it in your shorts...not at all comfortable and sometimes disruptive of the mission :)

If some other pilot wants to fly up my other airplane for "redundancy" I'm game. :) The trip is only 67 miles away from San Fran to Sacto...

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2035

Whoops. Thought it was a little better than that...

pullnshoot25
08-23-2009, 9:50 AM
If some other pilot wants to fly up my other airplane for "redundancy" I'm game. :) The trip is only 67 miles away from San Fran to Sacto...

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2035

Damn dude, how many planes have you got???

Manic Moran
08-23-2009, 12:49 PM
And more importantly, can I borrow one to fly myself to drill?

NTM

greasemonkey
08-23-2009, 12:59 PM
I don't suppose an Air Tractor crop dusting turbo-prop would help you guys all that much, would it? Haha.

7x57
08-23-2009, 2:10 PM
I don't suppose an Air Tractor crop dusting turbo-prop would help you guys all that much, would it? Haha.

Mayyyyybeeeee..... LCAV is HQ'd in SF, isn't it? Do we know for *certain* that their building is bug-free? I don't think we should risk it. Anyone have exact GPS coordinates? :43:

7x57

Can'thavenuthingood
08-23-2009, 2:10 PM
I don't suppose an Air Tractor crop dusting turbo-prop would help you guys all that much, would it? Haha.

Maybe strap a saddle on the fuselage?

They'll look like Chill Wills on the ICBM:D

Vick

Librarian
08-23-2009, 3:51 PM
Mayyyyybeeeee..... LCAV is HQ'd in SF, isn't it? Do we know for *certain* that their building is bug-free? I don't think we should risk it. Anyone have exact GPS coordinates? :43:

7x57

268 Bush Street in San Francisco is Lat 37.791050, Long -122.401954, according to Google Earth.

I'm sure that the San Francisco Department of Public Health would approve an intervention, though honestly "nuke from orbit" is the only way to be sure.

See http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html and set the drop-down to San Francisco. 'Aircraft' and something on the slider near 1 megaton seem about right on the display.

nick
08-23-2009, 10:45 PM
Mayyyyybeeeee..... LCAV is HQ'd in SF, isn't it? Do we know for *certain* that their building is bug-free? I don't think we should risk it. Anyone have exact GPS coordinates? :43:

7x57

Do they have a foliage problem, as well? Looking at Google Maps, that place seems in need of either agent orange, or napalm. Both would probably take care of the problem better though. Gotta be sure, with such hazards as overgrown foliage. Can't be too safe.

hoffmang
08-23-2009, 10:49 PM
Gents,

Though amusing, chemical or biological warfare against LCAV is generally frowned upon. We're already using superior mental firepower against them... No need to violating international conventions...

-Gene

Scarecrow Repair
08-23-2009, 10:54 PM
They'll look like Chill Wills on the ICBM

Slim Pickens, playing Major 'King' Kong, riding a nuclear bomb at the end of Dr Strangelove. But one point for trying :-)

7x57
08-23-2009, 11:08 PM
Gents,

Though amusing, chemical or biological warfare against LCAV is generally frowned upon.


Oh, so it's more of your elitist "just wait, we have a plan" attitude now? We can't just wait while our rights are taken away--we have to do *something*! And really now, nobody has *proven* that chemical-bombing inside city limits will turn public opinion against us, now have they? That's just scare-mongering.

:innocent:


We're already using superior mental firepower against them... No need to violating international conventions...


There's really no need for fudge brownies, either, but they're just as tasty all the same. :D

7x57

vrand
08-23-2009, 11:08 PM
Slim Pickens, playing Major 'King' Kong, riding a nuclear bomb at the end of Dr Strangelove. But one point for trying :-)

http://davideubank.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/slim-pickens_riding-the-bomb_enh-lores-720p.jpg

Librarian
08-23-2009, 11:21 PM
Oh, so it's more of your elitist "just wait, we have a plan" attitude now? We can't just wait while our rights are taken away--we have to do *something*! And really now, nobody has *proven* that chemical-bombing inside city limits will turn public opinion against us, now have they? That's just scare-mongering.

Yeah, and how many divisions does the public have, anyway? :chris:

Oh, wait, wrong conflict. (And I still think Benedict has a couple divisions of the latest Leopards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2) underneath Vatican City ... in case Vladi is wondering in his dacha tonight.)

cbn620
08-23-2009, 11:22 PM
Good stuff. I'm hopeful for positive outcome, and I hope The Right People will keep us informed of updates. Good luck and thanks to all who are working on this at all levels, including volunteers.

gucci pilot
08-23-2009, 11:25 PM
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This is how I see Gene making his motivational speech prior to Nordyke/Sykes.

Can'thavenuthingood
08-24-2009, 6:57 AM
Slim Pickens, playing Major 'King' Kong, riding a nuclear bomb at the end of Dr Strangelove. But one point for trying :-)


Yeah thats who I was thinking of, thanks.

So many years ago and so many brain cells gone already:(

Vick

greasemonkey
08-24-2009, 8:41 AM
man, I guess I should have mentioned that by crop duster, I meant the less common 2-seat (same thing as the fire fighting Air Tractors) as transportation and not anything else. really, who doesn't need 1,350 shaft horsepower in a 2 seat airplane?!

Oh, so it's more of your elitist "just wait, we have a plan" attitude now? We can't just wait while our rights are taken away--we have to do *something*! And really now, nobody has *proven* that chemical-bombing inside city limits will turn public opinion against us, now have they? That's just scare-mongering.

:innocent:

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

tiki
08-24-2009, 8:51 AM
San Francisco (SFO) seems to be the closest airport to the court no matter what.

In Sacramento, to those familiar, I'd ask which one poses the least amount of traffic risk: Sacramento International, or Executive. Rio Linda says more like 20, so...which one poses the least amount of risk or traffic?

I can fly people from SFO to Sacramento - in my Turbo Mooney it's around 27 minutes flight time. If someone thinks more than 2-3 people need to be flown, I can probably talk to someone who owns a charter company and is 2A friendly.

Gene, contact me anytime...

You might want to look into Mather Field also if you are coming up on a small plane. Its right off of Hwy 50 and a quick shot to downtown. No need to deal with Sac Airport traffic.

7x57
08-24-2009, 9:17 AM
[YOUTUBE]
This is how I see Gene making his motivational speech prior to Nordyke/Sykes.

I believe we could raise a lot of money for CGF selling tickets to an event where Gene will say phrases like "legal combat toe-to-toe with the antis," "dog-gone important," and "by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down" while wearing a stetson. :D

Then afterwards we raise more money selling the video.

7x57

gucci pilot
08-24-2009, 9:22 AM
I believe we could raise a lot of money for CGF selling tickets to an event where Gene will say phrases like "legal combat toe-to-toe with the antis," "dog-gone important," and "by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down" while wearing a stetson. :D

Then afterwards we raise more money selling the video.

7x57

I can tell that you are a thinking man.:cool2: Now we only have to convince Senor Hoffman...

7x57
08-24-2009, 9:34 AM
I can tell that you are a thinking man.:cool2: Now we only have to convince Senor Hoffman...

I have every confidence that Gene will make the sacrifice for the cause, as long as it's tasteful. For example, I think that a tasteful bolo tie and Texas-sized belt buckle would match the hat, as would a set of leather chaps, tooled leather boots, and spurs.

CGF: because playing into the stereotype is OK as long as it raises money to pay for good lawyers. :43:

I admit that the only real reason for this post was so I could say the phrase "tasteful bolo tie and Texas-sized belt buckle" on a California-based board. :D

7x57

greasemonkey
08-24-2009, 9:35 AM
I am planning, roughly, on riding up from OC. I will take the rural inland
route and might stop over in San Benito where I have a place to stay.
If it rains, or threatens to, I could take the car.

Is there anyone else with a sport bike from central or southern CA that wants to ride up, barring rain?

wildhawker
08-24-2009, 10:28 AM
I'll loan the buckle if Oaklander provides the chaps... :eek:

tango-52
08-24-2009, 10:35 AM
Please tell me he is going to wear more than just chaps. :eek: Pants would be good.

Librarian
08-24-2009, 11:13 AM
You might want to look into Mather Field also if you are coming up on a small plane. Its right off of Hwy 50 and a quick shot to downtown. No need to deal with Sac Airport traffic.

I forgot about Mather (http://www.sacairports.org/mather/) - Mather Airport Currently offers a full-service FBO, 24-hour air traffic control, and one of the longest runways in California: 11,300 feet long.

Could be useful, now that those pesky B52s are out of the way.

gucci pilot
08-24-2009, 11:31 AM
But to get back to Gene's original request, SFO is not a good option. I have flown in there with the Air Force and also working as charter. The only FBO on the field is Signature Aviation and they are mucho $$$. Also, I believe there is a landing fee by the city for general aviation aircraft. Lastly, SFO is busy! I had to wait in line for 45 minutes on a non-fog day to takeoff. So much for saving time.

I suggest using Hayward, Oakland or even Half Moon Bay airports. You can get out of each of them quicker and with less hassle. Sac Exec and Mather are both good options. I would lean towards Sac Exec, considering that they cater to our needs better.

My opinion of course...

greasemonkey
08-24-2009, 11:34 AM
I'll loan the buckle if Oaklander provides the chaps... :eek:

your chaps should fit him fine...

7x57
08-24-2009, 11:54 AM
Please tell me he is going to wear more than just chaps. :eek: Pants would be good absolutely vital.

Omission gratefully accepted, with the above emendation. :chris:

See, it's this sort of possible confusion that makes me oppose open carry. :D

7x57

Gray Peterson
08-24-2009, 12:21 PM
I'll loan the buckle if Oaklander provides the chaps... :eek:

WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN.

thatrogue
08-24-2009, 4:15 PM
What about a High Risk security contractor style escort. unloaded long arm open carry is legal. :D

Meplat
08-24-2009, 4:39 PM
Just like the M-16. It's a good rifle now but Macnamera (SP?) got a lot of my classmates killed with the POS before they worked the bugs out.:43:




The V-22 has got the bugs worked out now... Crashes during test are a part of pushing the envelope in the development of new flying machines...

Maybe Moller can lend a sky-car; they're up by Sacramento:
http://www.moller.com/

Meplat
08-24-2009, 4:43 PM
An 802 can do anything. Put some seats in the hopper.:DI don't suppose an Air Tractor crop dusting turbo-prop would help you guys all that much, would it? Haha.

Meplat
08-24-2009, 4:48 PM
An 802, with 750 gal of napalm in the tank and a highway flair to throw over the side could solve any number of problems.:43:

Do they have a foliage problem, as well? Looking at Google Maps, that place seems in need of either agent orange, or napalm. Both would probably take care of the problem better though. Gotta be sure, with such hazards as overgrown foliage. Can't be too safe.

Meplat
08-24-2009, 4:57 PM
Work with one all the time. It's a beautyful thing. The real value for us is not when it's hauling 750 flying straight & level, but when its hauling 250 in a blind canyon. Aint no substitute for horspower!:43:


man, I guess I should have mentioned that by crop duster, I meant the less common 2-seat (same thing as the fire fighting Air Tractors) as transportation and not anything else. really, who doesn't need 1,350 shaft horsepower in a 2 seat airplane?!



:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

MrEd
08-24-2009, 6:37 PM
Gene , I could be waiting for oral arguments to end in Nordyke and ready to shuttle upto 6 Passengers to airport . Vehicle would be a Cadillac Escalade ESV . I would be standing by nearby and ready to roll .
If it is neede just let me know via PM so we can set it up .

CSDGuy
08-24-2009, 6:47 PM
You might want to look into Mather Field also if you are coming up on a small plane. Its right off of Hwy 50 and a quick shot to downtown. No need to deal with Sac Airport traffic.

I forgot about Mather (http://www.sacairports.org/mather/) -

Could be useful, now that those pesky B52s are out of the way.
Sac Executive Airport...
But to get back to Gene's original request, SFO is not a good option. I have flown in there with the Air Force and also working as charter. The only FBO on the field is Signature Aviation and they are mucho $$$. Also, I believe there is a landing fee by the city for general aviation aircraft. Lastly, SFO is busy! I had to wait in line for 45 minutes on a non-fog day to takeoff. So much for saving time.

I suggest using Hayward, Oakland or even Half Moon Bay airports. You can get out of each of them quicker and with less hassle. Sac Exec and Mather are both good options. I would lean towards Sac Exec, considering that they cater to our needs better.

My opinion of course...
Don't forget San Carlos (SQL) or Palo Alto (PAO)... if SFO won't work.

6172crew
08-24-2009, 7:20 PM
Im 10 min from the airport, I wont miss this one.:chris:

bsim
08-24-2009, 10:33 PM
Can we get some of those sports flag things and replace them with Calguns flags for the escort cars?

Kinda "state department" looking....:driving:

wildhawker
08-24-2009, 10:38 PM
I think Vick has a bunch of the auto flags. Saving em for just such an occasion maybe :)

www.gunsr4.us

Can we get some of those sports flag things and replace them with Calguns flags for the escort cars?

Kinda "state department" looking....:driving:

artherd
08-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Can we get some of those sports flag things and replace them with Calguns flags for the escort cars?

Kinda "state department" looking....:driving:

On it :) I already own quite the 'escort car' :)

1911su16b870
08-25-2009, 8:30 AM
....

pullnshoot25
08-25-2009, 9:56 AM
I love Calguns :)

PolishMike
08-25-2009, 10:01 AM
Mather is fun. Nothing like doing 5 touch and goes without going into the pattern.

(not that I did that ;) )

Can'thavenuthingood
08-25-2009, 10:33 AM
Like this? (http://gunsr4.us/html/stickers_etc_0.html)
Got a bunch.
Might better to run without any identification.

http://gunsr4.us/assets/images/db_images/db_flag011.jpg (http://gunsr4.us/html/stickers_etc_0.html)

Vick

bsim
08-25-2009, 11:02 AM
Oh yeah!

Hopi
11-23-2009, 10:32 AM
Can somebody please provide a link to the en banc oral transcripts?

I'm particularly interested in the excerpt where the judge calls out the DA for 'arguing contrary to his bosses opinions' (re: Brown)....


Thanks!