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DDG
08-19-2009, 9:39 AM
I am looking for a 9mm. Use will be for target range type shooting (fun only, not competition). I want something that will be reliable and accurate for its intended use. I know the more I spend, typically, the more reliable. Where is a good trade off between quality and price?

I see Turners with Beretta 92fs, Glocks (17 & 19), Ruger SR9, S&W Sigma. Large variance in prices. What recommendations do you have?

Thanks,

(my 1st post, please be kind :)

Pace
08-19-2009, 9:40 AM
Glock 17/19 or Springfield XD9

shooter74
08-19-2009, 9:44 AM
Sig 228 or 226 or 229

cindynles
08-19-2009, 9:45 AM
It depends on how much you want to spend......

$300 range, go with a Ruger P95

$500 range, Glock 17/19 or XD

$800 range, SIG or HK

epic4444
08-19-2009, 9:48 AM
the 92f or the glock 17/19 whichever feels better to you...honestly those are perfect guns to be chamber in 9mm and both have some decent accuracy and run around 500 to 600...i had a 19 but sold it a few years ago to get a 17..now i have the 17 and its a little to big for my hands...so make sure whatever one you get fits your hands

Rob Roy
08-19-2009, 9:57 AM
Glock 19/Steyr M9A1/Walther P99AS

mrboma
08-19-2009, 9:59 AM
Steyr M9-A1 on sale now at Dunn's for $399.00 + $25.00 shipping.

Regards,
Mike

AdiosKali
08-19-2009, 10:01 AM
Springfield XD

Stealth
08-19-2009, 10:03 AM
Yah things to consider. If you provide the following answers to the following questions people can narrow down some models to research/check out.

1) Price Range
2) Revolver or Semi-automatic
3) How accurate you want it to be
4) You want a hammer or would a striker design be okay
5) Do you care about safety features like does it need a safety lever
or would you be cool with a trigger safety?
6) Do you care about appearance -- can it be blue or do you want stainless or you want bi-tone
7) Do you want to have a front rail to mount a light/laser?
8) Do you want to mount a scope on it?

aplinker
08-19-2009, 10:07 AM
There are a lot of good 9mm's. There are only a few not-so-good.

Everyone has their preferences.

Instead of asking for what to choose, why not ask why they choose it? That way you can help tailor your decisions and what you try. Which is to say, NOTHING can outdo your own trials and "feel" testing. While training can overcome a lot, confidence in your firearm is a big help.

I'll give some pros/cons. Keep in mind some things can change with aftermarket accessories, sights (almost always necessary), etc. DA/SA triggers will be much better in SA than a striker-fired (Glock/Steyr/XD) trigger. Striker-fired have the advantage of the same trigger pull every time.

*Glock 17 - excellent, plain, simple. Grip angle and feel can be off for some.
*HK USP - well made, reliable, lots of options depending on version (cocked & locked, DA/SA) in same gun, expensive, blocky shape
*HK P2000 - better ergos than USP, but only in compact
*Steyr M9A1 - in many ways out-glocks the glock, but parts are rarer
*Beretta M9/92FS - good, metal, some potential long-term issues, horrible safety location
*XD - has some features that attempt to out-do glock, but it's a bit bulkier and has a higher axis. Overall very good, though.
*Sig - excellent triggers, better than just about anything else. Expensive, some quality questions of recent. Older, used models can be a bargain.

I'll let others handle the rest, but this gives you an idea of how to make some choices...

DDG
08-19-2009, 10:17 AM
Great guys - thanks for all the fast info.

My answers below are in BOLD. (sorry, I'm not yelling, just don't know any other way to do it)

Yah things to consider. If you provide the following answers to the following questions people can narrow down some models to research/check out.

1) Price Range - UPTO $550.
2) Revolver or Semi-automatic
3) How accurate you want it to be. GOOD, NOT INTENDED FOR COMPETITION
4) You want a hammer or would a striker design be okay - EITHER
5) Do you care about safety features like does it need a safety lever
or would you be cool with a trigger safety? EITHER - I DON'T PLAN ON TRANSPORTING WITH AMMO LOADED
6) Do you care about appearance -- can it be blue or do you want stainless or you want bi-tone NOT IMPORTANT
7) Do you want to have a front rail to mount a light/laser? NOT IMPORTANT
8) Do you want to mount a scope on it?NOT IMPORTANT

based on price rang, what is the most reliable, with fairly decent accuracy?

slik556
08-19-2009, 10:22 AM
No one ever seems to put into play the FNP9 from FNH. These pistols are relatively inexpensive compared to some of the other offerings and are very reliable and functional. They have changeable back strap to give a person the ability to fit grip to the hand. At $499.00 at bass pro shops its a very good choice. Also the M&P 9 from S&W in a nice choice.

trickyvic
08-19-2009, 10:22 AM
Sig 226! If you decide on a Sig, try to find an older one.

Vacaville
08-19-2009, 10:25 AM
Whatever feels best in the hand and has the controls where you want them to be. Be sure to check out the CZ75B too (should run $475 or so for a base model).

Rivers
08-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Definitely check out CZ. Excellent ergonomics, built like a tank, great value (price vs. quality). Don't limit your gun search to just Turners. Read these forums, ask for recommended stores in your area, whatever that is.

Rekrab
08-19-2009, 10:29 AM
One option I didn't see was the Berreta PX4. I personally think you ought to check it out because it's right in your price range.

kalikool
08-19-2009, 10:33 AM
find a range near you and rent as many of the 9mm that you can. there should be many kinds at any range. there isnt any better way to figure out which one you like the most. it really comes down to what guns feels comfortable to you and that you can shoot well.

gef
08-19-2009, 10:41 AM
If you like steel, then the CZ75B is a good choice or if you like Polymer try the Smith & Wesson M&P. I've got both and like both.

Noobert
08-19-2009, 10:47 AM
P226 or P228!

tmuller
08-19-2009, 10:58 AM
As others have mentioned you should definitely look at CZ. I think they currently have the best value on the market now.

throwdown808
08-19-2009, 11:01 AM
For price I like the taurus 24/7

stormy_clothing
08-19-2009, 11:06 AM
glock 17 it's a no brainer. Accurate dependable durable. If you want to shoot frangible ect 100 bux will get you a stainless barrel from storm lake and the accuracy will be even better.

SCMA-1
08-19-2009, 11:09 AM
All good recommendations above. Now, get to a range or two and rent as many of these as you can, shoot them and compare. Generally, you want to buy the one you feel most comfortable with and will be reflected in your groups.

Insight Shooting Range is a great place to rent handguns; they have a HUGE selection and the price is very reasonable. They charge $10 flat fee for rentals and that entitles you to EVERY gun in the cases; you must however purchase their ammunition to use in the rental guns but their prices are pretty reasonable. Lane fee is also a very reasonable $15 for the entire day:

http://insightrangeinc.com/shoot.html

SCMA-1

TZL
08-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Sig 226 if you can find one for your price range, or just spend about $100 more

or if you are really tight on price G17/19

DDG
08-19-2009, 11:16 AM
Thanks guys. Looks like there are many good choices.

Any of the "popular models" commonly mentioned in ads that I should avoid?

Stealth
08-19-2009, 11:17 AM
I would check out Glock , springfield XD, Ruger , Taurus, CZ, FNH, Smith and Wesson, Sig sauer, Heckler and Koch and Berreta for 9mm. You can download manuals on their websites sometimes to get more information on the firearm.

A good but not complete way of seeing model/make of 9mm is check out gundirectory.com. Can give you some model names to google to read up on.

I recommend renting 9mm you are interested in at a range or holding them at a shop and get one that feels good in your hand or you are comfortable with.

Good luck on your search!

Great guys - thanks for all the fast info.

My answers below are in BOLD. (sorry, I'm not yelling, just don't know any other way to do it)



based on price rang, what is the most reliable, with fairly decent accuracy?

Black Majik
08-19-2009, 11:18 AM
In my opinion, it all depends on ergonomics. All quality current production guns should out shoot the owner. You've listed quite a few nice choices.

The best thing to do would be to rent them all and see which you enjoy, and shoot better. You can also bench them to see which also has the most mechanical accuracy, and see whether it's the same or different as the gun you enjoy the most.

For an example, I can't shoot H&K pistols worth beans but I have benched them and seen what they're capable of by removing (as much) human error as possible. It's surprising to see how much more I have to work towards to coming even close to what the gun is capable of.

Of your choices, Glocks fit me the best, particularly because of the trigger. It's short travel in slack really aids my shooting offhand. The grip and angle can be overcome, I used to feel it pointed high as mentioned earlier, but that can be easily overcome. Once I learned the capabilities of that pistol, it just all seemed to click. While it contradicts the ergonomics portion mentioned in the beginning of my post, the trigger is what fit me the most. Everything else just came together afterwards. Lightening up the trigger made a huge difference as well, for only around $10 with a spring pack and 3.5# connector.

Go shoot a bunch of different platforms, give the CZ75, M&P, and XD a try also. See which you enjoy the most. What we like most likely won't be the same for you.

Good luck.

Rekrab
08-19-2009, 11:18 AM
Hi Point? I've heard terrible things about them >.>

I've also heard mixed reviews of Taurus handguns(But glowing reviews of their revolvers).

SCMA-1
08-19-2009, 11:20 AM
Thanks guys. Looks like there are many good choices.

Any of the "popular models" commonly mentioned in ads that I should avoid?

The S&W SW9VE/SW40VE Sigma has developed a bad reputation for it's fairly stout trigger pull (11lbs), but someone figured out a while back that this can be easily fixed by removing one of the trigger springs or trimming them. If you don't mind a little tinkering, these guns can be had for very good deals. Was recently on sale at Turner's for $299, currently on sale this week for $369;)

SCMA-1

SCMA-1
08-19-2009, 11:22 AM
Hi Point? I've heard terrible things about them >.>

I've also heard mixed reviews of Taurus handguns(But glowing reviews of their revolvers).

Taurus PT-92/99 are just Brazilian made Beretta 92's; their revolvers used to be good values but are pricey nowadays.

jmf_tracy
08-19-2009, 11:23 AM
i recommend:
XD9 or CZ P01

Oldnoob
08-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Browning Hi Power. One of the best 9mm if not THE best.

Oldnoob
08-19-2009, 11:42 AM
I am looking for a 9mm. Use will be for target range type shooting (fun only, not competition). I want something that will be reliable and accurate for its intended use. I know the more I spend, typically, the more reliable. Where is a good trade off between quality and price?

I see Turners with Beretta 92fs, Glocks (17 & 19), Ruger SR9, S&W Sigma. Large variance in prices. What recommendations do you have?

Thanks,

(my 1st post, please be kind :)

1) Price Range - UPTO $550.
2) Revolver or Semi-automatic
3) How accurate you want it to be. GOOD, NOT INTENDED FOR COMPETITION
4) You want a hammer or would a striker design be okay - EITHER
5) Do you care about safety features like does it need a safety lever
or would you be cool with a trigger safety? EITHER - I DON'T PLAN ON TRANSPORTING WITH AMMO LOADED
6) Do you care about appearance -- can it be blue or do you want stainless or you want bi-tone NOT IMPORTANT
7) Do you want to have a front rail to mount a light/laser? NOT IMPORTANT
8) Do you want to mount a scope on it?NOT IMPORTANT


Base on these info:

Metal Frame:
CZ 75 or Beretta 92

Polymer Frame:
Glock 17, XD9, Sig Pro. See which one fit you better
and maybe FNP 9, M&P 9 and Steyr M9A1. They are either higher i price or harder to find.

mountaindweller
08-19-2009, 11:51 AM
I am looking for a 9mm. Use will be for target range type shooting (fun only, not competition). I want something that will be reliable and accurate for its intended use. I know the more I spend, typically, the more reliable. Where is a good trade off between quality and price?

I see Turners with Beretta 92fs, Glocks (17 & 19), Ruger SR9, S&W Sigma. Large variance in prices. What recommendations do you have?

Thanks,

(my 1st post, please be kind :)

Look on line....Turner's is over priced. I'd say G17/19, in my opinion it is most reliable....like AK of handguns. Then I'd go Beretta 92......although the Ruger is really nice to shoot and cheap......all 4 models you really can't go wrong. If you go to the Los Angeles Gun Club you can rent and shoot all 4......not to mention lots of other nines, and you can even try a 45;).

mblat
08-19-2009, 12:07 PM
Steyr M9-A1 on sale now at Dunn's for $399.00 + $25.00 shipping.

Regards,
Mike

K, have to ask - what is "Dunn's"?

Greg-Dawg
08-19-2009, 12:13 PM
Take a basic handgun class, rent out all the guns on your list and choose from there.

IPSICK
08-19-2009, 12:41 PM
Fun only 9mm? Why not a 9mm 1911? If you want a double action how about a SiG P226 Stainless or a CZ SP-01 Shadow? These would be fun target guns IMO. The weight of steel would negate most of the recoil and you could shoot for hours (if you have the ammo that is).

leitung
08-19-2009, 12:42 PM
I am biased so I will pimp my favs..

I love my Glock 19, simple, safe, ergonomic (for me)

There are many good guns like H&K USPs, Sigs, Berettas, Steryrs, Springfields and another fav Smith & Wesson..
I like simple american steel myself.. Have you considered a Smith & Wesson Steel framed 9mm such as a 5906TSW, 3913, or 5903? I like them alot personally. The M&Ps are good guns as well.

See this link:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?beginIndex=0&langId=-1&attributeValue1=9mm&storeId=10001&published=1&isFirearm=Y&catalogId=10001&pageSize=10&attributeValueType1=STRING&attributeValueOperator1=EQUAL&attributeName1=Caliber&resultType=2&viewTaskName=CatalogSearchResultView

510shooter510
08-19-2009, 12:50 PM
Cant go wrong with that glock...

Legasat
08-19-2009, 1:23 PM
I believe the big 3 in this price range are Glock, XD & M&P. I also have shot and liked the CZ P01.

For myself, I chose the M&P9. Very nice pistol, the best customer service in the industry.

mds2004
08-19-2009, 1:33 PM
I had bought a LNIB 1992 K-KOTED P226 with marks saying "Made in W. Germany" for $550 shipped off of gunbroker. Just look around and you will find great deals.

Big Jake
08-19-2009, 1:42 PM
Sig Sauer all the way!

Hornet_RN
08-19-2009, 7:42 PM
Beretta 92FS is good starter into 9mm!

it's metal framed, it has an external safety (which i personally like), accurate enough (i was able to hit a metal target around 50 yds away), and it's also good enough for the miltary, so it's good enough for me.

D53
08-19-2009, 9:00 PM
Yet another suggestion for Glock 17/19 or XD.

MarioS
08-19-2009, 9:23 PM
I don't think that guns get more reliable the more money you spend. You can spend half or 1/3 the price on a Glock and have it be easily more reliable than other $1k+ guns.

That being said, I would recommend a Glock or XD. It could then also double as a very reliable and sensible home defense weapon. You can't go wrong. If you don't like the trigger, get it modified.

LAKA90034
08-19-2009, 9:36 PM
1. Glock 17/19
2. Springfield XD
IMO best when considering price...

Rem222
08-19-2009, 10:45 PM
Glock17 or Glock19

I find the G17 is more accurate in my hand.

GunLover
08-19-2009, 11:23 PM
I love my both my P226Rs 9mm and 40. I have owned G17,G19,G27,G32, 92fs, 96g, HK usp40, Kimber, Para ord 45s, Colt 10mm and 45, xd45 and xd9sc but the only pistols i have now are my sigs. I have 2 p229 coming also.

M47_Dragon
08-19-2009, 11:41 PM
I believe the big 3 in this price range are Glock, XD & M&P.

+1

I think these three are a great starting point and it's probably safe to say that most ranges that rent will have these available. I would say start with these three and if nothing tickles your fancy, keep trying other makes/models.

MAC USMC
08-19-2009, 11:50 PM
For a really good buy, check out Sig-Sauer for USED 9MM's that are turned in by law enforcement agencies. These guns are critically inspected, new parts installed, tuned up and sold a much reduced price. They carry a warrantee also. I have two of them and both are great shooters.

SmokinMr2
08-19-2009, 11:58 PM
See what fits you. Try to test a few types at a range.

I love my CZ75 Compact but CZ's can be "spendy".

I also love my M43 Firestar which I have put over 3000 rounds through :)

I think there are a couple listed for sale here on the forums.

1911su16b870
08-20-2009, 9:48 AM
I am looking for a 9mm. Use will be for target range type shooting (fun only, not competition). I want something that will be reliable and accurate for its intended use. I know the more I spend, typically, the more reliable. Where is a good trade off between quality and price?

I see Turners with Beretta 92fs, Glocks (17 & 19), Ruger SR9, S&W Sigma. Large variance in prices. What recommendations do you have?

Thanks,

(my 1st post, please be kind :)

Your best bet is to go to a range that rents firearms and try out a bunch to see what you like best. The second best bet is after you decide to buy as much ammo as you can and take an introductory defensive handgun course.

With that said, the B92, G17, XD9 are all fine firearms. Many new shooters that I have taken to the range prefer the XD9.

locosway
08-20-2009, 10:09 AM
Glock 19

Ducman
08-20-2009, 10:21 AM
for your price range.

Glock 19

BHPFan
08-20-2009, 10:40 AM
If you want to look for affordable 9mm, how about Ruger?
Their P89 and P95 go bang everytime you pull the trigger.

Fantasma
08-20-2009, 11:20 AM
CZ75B

RobG
08-20-2009, 11:43 AM
Go and try out as many as you can. I like the full sized Sigs myself. That said, I shot a friends XD and really liked it. Nice trigger, good ergos (for me), and darn accurate.
If you like Glocks, maybe the comp'd model (34?) since you are paper punching only.

hawk1547
08-20-2009, 1:15 PM
Beretta 92fs shoots very accurate,also S&W-M&P9,both affordable and reliable.

coop44
08-21-2009, 10:13 AM
my choices(in no particular order) Hipower (FN or FM), sig sauer, ruger

DDG
08-21-2009, 11:10 AM
Thanks everyone. Appreciate all the good answers.

I'll be at the range later today trying a few (Mangum in Rancho Cucamonga).

Looks like many good options to go with.

slik556
08-21-2009, 11:28 AM
If you are headed up to Mangum in Rancho Cucamonga do your self a favor and try one of the FNP9's, I think they have one to rent. All the other suggestions have been great and are legitimately good choices, but as I said before at this point for the money the FNP9 has a lot going for it. Give it a try and for the money you might be surprised. Not that I think that bass pro shops is the place to go but they have these for $499.00.

radioed22
08-21-2009, 11:41 AM
Ygcfp40RTKsGlock!!! Very reliable.

duc748bip
08-21-2009, 12:34 PM
I guess if you just need a 9mm target gun. Then get somehting that had a 4"+ barrel and a trigger that can be fired single action. maybe its just my experiance all the Beretta 92FS or M9 are flawless and accurate out to 25+ yard. And its the gun I bring if i'm taking a new shooter (along with my Buckmark .22 and S&W 686) because its easy to shoot well even with my wife's smal hand.

Gary13
08-21-2009, 12:47 PM
I did not like the 92FS that I tried at my local range, but I am thinking of trying it again.

I got a FNP9 as my first 9mm. I like it so far. My next one will be a Sig 226, CZ75, or Glock 17.

Just like others said, get to a range that rents and try a bunch of them.

hawk81
08-21-2009, 10:16 PM
Get a high power or cz 75.

pinwheels
08-21-2009, 11:05 PM
Minor addition to the suggestions to try them out for feel, grip size, trigger finger position (pad of the tip of the finger should fall naturally on the trigger) --

With a verified EMPTY gun, close your eyes, take the gun from low-ready to firing position, open your eyes, and look at the sight picture. For me, Glocks line up perfectly, Sig P226 and P229 are aimed at the ground (can't even see the front sight), but Sig P2000 is also dead on. Don't recall where the XD was pointing but I hated the feel. YMMV. Take your time. And w.r.t. cost, be aware that in these times, if you shoot regularly, even 9mm, you'll spend at least twice as much a year on ammo as you spend on the gun.:eek:

offshores
08-22-2009, 9:06 AM
I bought a Ruger SR9 about 6 months ago and have shot about 600 rounds through it with no problems. I paid $450 for it at Discount Guns in San Diego and feel I got a great gun for the money! Good luck!

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR9.htm

Jbox
08-22-2009, 9:16 AM
If you want to look for affordable 9mm, how about Ruger?
Their P89 and P95 go bang everytime you pull the trigger.

Love my P89 it was my first 9. My friend liked the Ruger P-series so much he is picking up a P-95 this weekend even though he already has a SIG 229. You cant go wrong with the Ruger for the price.