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JohnZ
08-18-2009, 2:34 PM
If you had to choose between a either a Sig 220 or a Colt 1911 (or similar quality) with no mods, just stock with the exception of night sights, which would you choose?

civilsnake
08-18-2009, 2:39 PM
For what? Defense? Range plinking?

dascoyne
08-18-2009, 2:42 PM
Is this a poll?
...or are you buying one of the two?

If this is a poll then I choose the 1911. I prefer to carry "cocked and locked" since that's what I trained with. I have no muscle memory for DA/SA.

If you're trying to choose between the two then it really comes down to preference. Go to the range and try each out. They're both fine guns.




If you're wondering which is the "better gun" then you might as well ask if the Ferrari 360 or the Ford GT-40 is the better car. (I prefer the Ford)

JohnZ
08-18-2009, 2:47 PM
This gun would be used for defense and I would like to know which (in your opinion) is more SHTF capable. I can only afford one pistol so this gun needs to work every time.

uxo2
08-18-2009, 2:47 PM
If your talking about right out of the box and to the battlefield
with ball ammo..

1911 hands down.

For a SD piece with high quality PD ammo.
220.

Some 1911's are tempemental with exotic ammo

BHPFan
08-18-2009, 2:49 PM
P220 for me.

dascoyne
08-18-2009, 3:04 PM
If you're trying to choose between the two then it really comes down to preference. Go to the range and try each out. They're both fine guns.


If you're wondering which is the "better gun" then you might as well ask if the Ferrari 360 or the Ford GT-40 is the better car. (I prefer the Ford)

JohnZ
08-18-2009, 3:14 PM
I have fired both, and I am still completely drawn. I love the crisp SA trigger of the 1911, but I also really appreciate the DA/SA of the 220 which I would prefer over being cocked and locked. Obviously the accuracy of both are outstanding, they hold the same ammount of ammo. Not too mention around the same price tag.

Black Majik
08-18-2009, 3:25 PM
Personal preference, but I shoot SAO much better than I do DA/SA. It would depend on which platform you prefer.

As a side note, I'd prefer a current production Colt Government even in S80 than a current production Cohen P220. Rails, I don't need no stinkin' rails!

Lastly, I also welcome the heftier steel frame over the alloy frame.

sigfan91
08-18-2009, 3:31 PM
West German P220

M. Sage
08-18-2009, 3:34 PM
I've shot the W. German guns, and have yet to be convinced that they're better than the rest. I'm happy with me "Unified" Sig. One thing I think is an advantage over the old ones is the one-piece slide. Not stamped, pinned and welded -milled from a solid chunk of stainless.

If you had to choose between a either a Sig 220 or a Colt 1911 (or similar quality) with no mods, just stock with the exception of night sights, which would you choose?

I chose a P220. With night sights even!

Is this a poll?
...or are you buying one of the two?

If this is a poll then I choose the 1911. I prefer to carry "cocked and locked" since that's what I trained with. I have no muscle memory for DA/SA.

If you're trying to choose between the two then it really comes down to preference. Go to the range and try each out. They're both fine guns.

I agree. The P220 has a bit of a different feel. Mostly that the grip is fatter, unless you're talking the 1911 with the straight mainspring housing instead of the housing that has the palm swell on it. Then the P220 is a little more ergonomically shaped.

As far as preferring SAO; so do I. But you can get a P220 in single only. I did, and never look back.

IMO the only way you could improve on the P220 SAO would be to make it high-cap, but that might make the grip too big (unless you went 9mm; I'd buy a SAO P226 that wasn't intended for competition). So it's perfect. :D Unless you have small hands. If you have small hands, you'll probably prefer the 1911 and its skinny grip profile.

Z ME FLY
08-18-2009, 3:34 PM
No point in asking us, you only know which one is BETTER for you. Figure out what you want from the gun and pick.

IPSICK
08-18-2009, 3:35 PM
As much as I love my 1911 if this will be your only handgun and for self-defense, I'm inclined to pick the P220. 1911's can be finicky with ammo and some magazines. If you have the patience to try different types of ammo for reliability check then go with the 1911.

FYI. My choices for home defense are my Glock 17 and my SA TRP Op 1911.

M. Sage
08-18-2009, 3:37 PM
FYI. My choices for home defense are my Glock 17 and my SA TRP Op 1911.

My Sig is mostly for outside the house. Inside the house it's an AK...

cineski
08-18-2009, 3:38 PM
If you prefer the DA/SA then get a SIG. Platform is the single most important choice in a one-and-only gun. Just get one with an external extractor and replace the takedown lever with the newer ones (if it doesn't come with that). Of course SIG won't tell you this.......oh what the hell am I talking about? There's a bunch of .45's out there that are better than these two choices for home defense. I just poked my head in SIG forum earlier today and the complaints are still running rampant with new SIGs.

Mac Attack
08-18-2009, 3:38 PM
Either are fine handguns but as others have stated a Sig's DA/SA is a whole other beast than a 1911's SAO. I owned a Sig 226 back in the day but sold it and am now am primarily a 1911 man. Nothing sweeter than sweeping off the thumb safety and the nice crisp SA pull of a 1911.

Try both before you buy is excellent advice.

Ishoot
08-18-2009, 3:48 PM
I have both....(well a kimber 1911..:o) and although I love my 1911s..I'd have to go with the 220 for all around carry since it's less finicky with certain hollow point ammo. Much rather have the SA though.

IPSICK
08-18-2009, 4:02 PM
My Sig is mostly for outside the house. Inside the house it's an AK...

I'm talking pistols. My first choice in the home is my shotgun. I haven't looked into it but wouldn't the AK overpenetrate?

ldivinag
08-18-2009, 4:32 PM
sig #1

dascoyne
08-18-2009, 4:41 PM
Also try a glock 21sf

APNF128
08-18-2009, 4:51 PM
All excellent advice and opinions, but Im sure by now you are even more confused, so why not try to listen to your MOTOR FACULTY when you are shooting both pistols (P220 or 1911) only then and there you and you alone can determine which of the two is the most that fits your hands perfectly and thats the pistol to buy.

Federalist
08-18-2009, 4:58 PM
I have a 1911, and am in the market to buy a P220 (after having shot it several times). Based on your post, I suggest the P220 for you at this time.

I love my 1911 SA. It is great at the range and is accurate. IMO, the 1911 SA trigger can't be beat. But it can be a bit tempermental.

I also love the P220 platform (as well as the P226 platform, but that is off topic). Feels great. Accurate out of the box. And (based on all reports) reliable. Since it is DA/SA, if SHTF, I feel more comfortable carrying it over a cocked and locked 1911. YMMV.

If you buy the P220 now, trust me - later you are likely to buy a 1911 too. :punk:

oversteerdawg
08-18-2009, 5:06 PM
You can go halfway and get a full stainless P220. It is one sweet shooting 45

Miltiades
08-18-2009, 5:11 PM
You really need both a Sig P220 and a Colt 1911. One isn't better than the other, and they both have pros and cons. Either one is an excellent handgun with certain strengths and weaknesses.

I would actually make it a three way comparison, putting another classic .45 into the mix - the H&K USP 45. If you were going to carry one of the three for self defense, the USP might be the best choice, being much lighter weight with higher capacity (12+1 rounds in most of the US). Perhaps for strictly range use the Sig or the Colt would have advantages in weight and recoil absorption.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/Three45s02-1.jpg

ZepoL
08-18-2009, 5:26 PM
SIG Sauer P220

RT13
08-18-2009, 5:37 PM
My P220ST puts my buddies Colt Gold Cup to shame.

dascoyne
08-18-2009, 5:41 PM
My Colt Gold Cup puts my buddy's P220ST to shame.


;)

Sheepdog1968
08-18-2009, 5:51 PM
For me, it would be the P220 over the 1911. In fact, it would likely be a 220 over any other handgun out there given CA capacity limitations.

The 220s feed anything you give them. I've got a bit over 8000 through mine and can only think of one, maybe two at the most, times where I needed to tap and rack to fix the problem due to some sort of a malfunction. This was over the first 5,000 rounds. I sent it back to Sig so they could fix it. There have been no issues since I got it back and I've put another 3,000 plus rounds through it.

You need to test both and get what you like. For me, it's a no brainer for it to be the Sig P220.

Cru Jones
08-18-2009, 7:26 PM
I say it depends on what you are used to. I'm extremely comfortable with the DA/SA of the Sig P220 so I love it, but my brother who is used to SAO finds it foreign to him. You don't want your life depending on something that would confuse your muscle memory. I love my P220.

RobG
08-18-2009, 7:29 PM
P220 for me. I know it will go bang every time with any ammo. No tuning the ejector, clocking extractors, testing magazines, fitting the FPS, etc. I liked the Kimber I had but could not trust my life on it.

M47_Dragon
08-18-2009, 7:38 PM
The 220 in SAO is pretty dang nice. I was once debating the same thing, only in a smaller platform (Sig 220 Carry SAO vs. SA Loaded Champion) and went with the Sig. I am glad I did - absolutely love it.

Then again, I already had a couple of full size 1911s in the stable and that had a bit of weight in my decision. I love them too, but I was willing to go with something a little different.

rumblebee
08-18-2009, 7:43 PM
I own both. SA TRP Operator and P220 Combat.

P220 Combat has become my "go to" (bedside gun\PD\etc). Light, accurate and appreciate the de-cocker...I happen to like the DA\SA :thumbsup:

SCMA-1
08-18-2009, 8:04 PM
If you are truly looking for a SHTF gun, then there are lots of better choices in 45ACP, IMO. SHTF guns should have close to every possible advantage; good accuracy but excellent reliability so that it can cycle any kind of ammo you encounter, high capacity, and a rail for mounting a white light (for low light/indoor operation). I currently own a couple of custom single stack 1911's as well as a German made P220; they are both excellent designs but neither would be my first choice for SHTF, mainly because they are low capacity designs. Again, for SHTF, I would choose one of the modern high capacity (dual column) 45's such as the Glock 21SF, Springfield XD45, EAA Witness 45, S&W MP45, or FNP45 with the Springfield XD45 being my favorite of all of these for it's great trigger, excellent accuracy, reliability and exceptional ergonomics. I also favor the Para Ord wide body 45's (I have 2 of them) but these are nothing more than double column 1911's and can be finicky about ammo just like their single stack counterparts. Just my opinion of course and every has their own.;)

SCMA-1

cineski
08-18-2009, 9:42 PM
I completely agree with SCMA-1. Although I'll add HK to that list in any flavor. My experience with the XD45c mirrors yours as well.....Just outstanding guns that go bang every time.

M. D. Van Norman
08-18-2009, 10:46 PM
For an out-of-the-box, fire-and-forget .45-caliber pistol, I would choose the SIG-Sauer P220. For a pistol customized to your own specifications, the Colt-Browning platform canít be beaten.

I own both, but neither are stock anymore.

bsg
08-19-2009, 8:45 PM
w german p220 would be my choice over ANY .45.... well, MY w german p220 would be my choice over any .45; yea, that's the ticket!

GunLover
08-19-2009, 10:26 PM
Stock for stock for SD I take the Sig.

customizedcreationz
08-20-2009, 3:37 AM
220 all the way !

No safety to worry about. In the middle of the night I can just pick it up and fire. I don't have to fumble a thumb safety and I wouldn't want to leave a 1911 with the hammer back and safety off. Every second in my groggy 3 am half asleep state would count.

So 220 it is, no safety pull the trigger and its ready to go.

Snapping Twig
08-20-2009, 7:38 AM
The 220 is turnkey.

The 1911 takes some time to learn.

For a new shooter, the 220 is a better choice IMO.

For me, both have their place.

SeanCasey
08-20-2009, 8:12 AM
When in doubt buy both.

I need to buy myself a P220.... lol

SCMA-1
08-20-2009, 8:13 AM
220 all the way !

No safety to worry about. In the middle of the night I can just pick it up and fire. I don't have to fumble a thumb safety and I wouldn't want to leave a 1911 with the hammer back and safety off. Every second in my groggy 3 am half asleep state would count.

So 220 it is, no safety pull the trigger and its ready to go.

Sorry, but if you are a 1911 operator, you do not "worry about" or "fumble" with the safety. I never think about it; it's second nature and built into my muscle memory after many thousands of holster presentations in competition, training, etc. The 1911 IS considered an expert's gun and is not the best combative tool for casual users; in that category I think the P220 would be more suitable with it's hammer decocker and DA first shot. Even better would be any of the striker fired/passive safety type pistols.

SCMA-1

customizedcreationz
08-20-2009, 8:35 AM
Sorry, but if you are a 1911 operator, you do not "worry about" or "fumble" with the safety. I never think about it; it's second nature and built into my muscle memory after many thousands of holster presentations in competition, training, etc. The 1911 IS considered an expert's gun and is not the best combative tool for casual users; in that category I think the P220 would be more suitable with it's hammer decocker and DA first shot. Even better would be any of the striker fired/passive safety type pistols.

SCMA-1


That absolutely why I would say the 220 is better. Because 98% of the people who own 1911's are casual users. With you being one of the exceptions. I would still like to have a ready to fire, do nothing but pull the trigger , get no bang, pull the trigger again. Then tap rack etc.

The striker fired guns you cant pull the trigger a second time just like the 1911. DAO semi's or revolvers are the only way to go in my opinion for a bedside gun.

SCMA-1
08-20-2009, 9:31 AM
That absolutely why I would say the 220 is better. Because 98% of the people who own 1911's are casual users. With you being one of the exceptions. I would still like to have a ready to fire, do nothing but pull the trigger , get no bang, pull the trigger again. Then tap rack etc.

The striker fired guns you cant pull the trigger a second time just like the 1911. DAO semi's or revolvers are the only way to go in my opinion for a bedside gun.

Agreed. Thanks for the clarification. That's another reason why I didn't recommend the 1911 to the OP for a "SHTF" gun. Striker/passive, DAO, or DA/SA is better for the general population for defensive guns.

rumblebee
08-20-2009, 10:47 AM
You can also field strip a P220 in less than ~30secs. I can probably take mine down in 10-15 secs.

P220 porn :p
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l464/rumblebee_album/0906020025.jpg

Black Majik
08-20-2009, 10:48 AM
While a SIG is easier to field strip, in my opinion a 1911 is easier to detail strip.

M. Sage
08-20-2009, 7:01 PM
+1 to never having fumbled

I'm talking pistols. My first choice in the home is my shotgun. I haven't looked into it but wouldn't the AK overpenetrate?

Not much worse than a shotgun or a handgun. Soft point ammo isn't a bad idea, though. Just remember that if you're going with a shotgun, don't bother with bird shot, even if you're worried about "over" penetration. IMO, over-penetration is worried about too much, and is an overused term. you want 100% penetration on target, and the only way to get that reliably is to go with something that is usually more than capable of it.

The biggest reason, though is that at this point in time, the two guns I know and use best are my P220 and an AK...

While a SIG is easier to field strip, in my opinion a 1911 is easier to detail strip.

How often do you detail strip? That's never even crossed my mind on my P220 other than "hmm, I wonder what it would look like as a pile of small parts". I've put a fair amount of shooting on my Sig and never even worried about a detail strip. Then again, I'll happily go several hundred rounds (and several range sessions) without even doing a field strip. It just doesn't need it very often.

M. D. Van Norman
08-20-2009, 7:06 PM
While a SIG is easier to field strip, in my opinion a 1911 is easier to detail strip.

Yes.

bsg
08-22-2009, 12:28 PM
i'll still go with my w german p220. i am enamored by the history of the 1911 though and it's tenacious presence, even after all these years....

dascoyne
08-22-2009, 1:09 PM
Agreed. Thanks for the clarification. That's another reason why I didn't recommend the 1911 to the OP for a "SHTF" gun. Striker/passive, DAO, or DA/SA is better for the general population for defensive guns.I'd argue that the DA/SA adjustment from first shot to follow-up shots also take some training. That's why I have only confidence in my SA options e.g. 1911, HK P7M8, CZ SP-01, BHP or my Glock since I trained with these. I never trained with SA/DA and wouldn't perform as well with it. My point is that even SA/DA has inherent problems that require training to remedy.

I'd say if you truly want a simple mechanism you should take a serious look at the Glock.

hawk1547
08-22-2009, 3:24 PM
The best and No.1 of the past century and a half,1911 all the way,period.