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Rikarin
02-08-2005, 4:13 PM
I almost can hear "NO!" but don't lose anything asking because this is THE cheapest way! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Rikarin
02-08-2005, 4:13 PM
I almost can hear "NO!" but don't lose anything asking because this is THE cheapest way! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

xsquid
02-08-2005, 4:24 PM
Shouldn't be a problem. Remove the bullet, empty out the powder, decap the primer. Reseat the bullet - you have yourself a dummy round. Might cost you a bit more - if you don't know anybody with the reloading tools to do the above.

Mike
02-08-2005, 4:27 PM
For something like snap caps for dry firing? I don't see why not, I recall someone using cut down pencil erasers in place of the primer. Just pull a bullet if you have reloading equipment, dump the powder, kick off the primer if using something like rubber to absorb the firing pin and then knock it out, reseat bullet,......Over time the bullet may get set further back in the case, but that can be fixed with a whack with a kinetic bullet puller and reseat it to the correct length.

Technical Ted
02-08-2005, 4:30 PM
The "YES" answer.

Fire the rounds, save the cases. Have someone who reloads clean, resize (without punching the spent primer) and seat a new projectile in the case.

Segregate the dummy rounds from your live supply: mark the rounds somehow.

shooterx10
02-08-2005, 4:37 PM
To further render the cartridge unusable (a dud), drill a small hole in the casing, but champher it to get rid of any burrs so it won't scratch up your chamber.

rkt88edmo
02-08-2005, 4:44 PM
I have the Saf-T-Trainer plastic rounds from Brownell's. The cost to me was about 50 cents each. I'd be happy to mail them out to anyone who wants them for 50 cents each plus postage (I think the postage will be about 75 cents or so because they are too thick for 37 cents). The rims do rip off them after a while, but then you could sand them down and load them into old brass. There is a company that does this, but I can't find them at the moment. You can also just use the very end of the brass case to retain as much orange surface as possible to keep them easily identifiable like
this (http://www.safrgun.com/saftround.htm)

I have 22lr, 9, 40, 45, .38, .223, .308, 12Guage

The rifle and shotgun rounds would be more expensive, 22lr is cheaper. Cost from Dillon is 1$ each, or buy a bag of 50 from Brownell's a

-hanko
02-08-2005, 4:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rika:
I almost can hear "NO!" but don't lose anything asking because this is THE cheapest way! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do NOT try decapping a live primer http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Easiest is to take fired brass & leave the primer in place. Seat & crimp your choice of bullet. You can color the base with a magic marker, but I usually drill a ~1/8" hole through the case.

How many are you going to make??

-hanko

Rikarin
02-08-2005, 5:46 PM
Oh, so answer is no.... to what I was going to do! Trying to pry the primer out http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I see I need a reloader. I wanted to practice mag change with full load and plastic dummies are too light.

Thanks for your help!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
Do NOT try decapping a live primer http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-hanko <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

imported_Matt-man
02-08-2005, 6:25 PM
For practice, I just buy these from Brownell's.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6811&title=ACTION+PROVING+DUMMIES

Technical Ted
02-08-2005, 6:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt-man:
For practice, I just buy these from Brownell's.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6811&title=ACTION+PROVING+DUMMIES <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
From the description it looks like they're made from spent cases:"The authentic factory headstamp makes them highly desirable cartridge collectors' items..." Probably chemically blackened to differentiate the dummies from live rounds.

Can anyone say how the primer is handled? Do they retain the spent primers? Spring loaded mechanism to absorb pin impact?

pidooma
02-09-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rika:
Oh, so answer is no.... to what I was going to do! Trying to pry the primer out http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I see I need a reloader. I wanted to practice mag change with full load and plastic dummies are too light.

Thanks for your help!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
Do NOT try decapping a live primer http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-hanko <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do I have this image of Rika with a pair of pliers, a hammer and a nail? http://192.220.68.196/anim_peep.gif

Turbinator
02-09-2005, 1:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -hanko:
Easiest is to take fired brass & leave the primer in place. Seat & crimp your choice of bullet. You can color the base with a magic marker, but I usually drill a ~1/8" hole through the case.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My only complaint about using fired brass that is not decapped is that it also is therefore usually not resized. You'd want to resize any practice rounds before you seat the bullet and crimp, to help facilitate easier feeding, plus you don't want to get a fired case stuck in a gun that has a slightly tighter chamber.

Also, using a fired primer to soak up the impact of the firing pin over and over doesn't usually work. The primer eventually gets pierced that stops functioning as intended to soak up the firing pin's forward energy.

Turby

imported_Matt-man
02-14-2005, 9:13 PM
The Brownell's dummies don't have anything in the primer pocket.

ivanimal
02-15-2005, 12:11 AM
Rika, how many do you want? I can make them in ten minutes.

imported_booknut
02-15-2005, 11:09 PM
I got some of these a couple of years back.
I actually ordered them over the phone and the guy I talked with was real friendly and helpful.
I believe he was James or Marchall, one of the owners.

Anyway, I like them. The brass is real and it holds up better than some of the other 'snap caps' I own.
The orange 'bullet' helps to make sure I'm not grabbing real rounds by mistake.

Here's there website page for the .45
S.T.ACTION PRO (http://www.stactionpro.com/product.asp?intProdID=1006&strCatalog_NAME=&strSubCatalog_NAME=Action%20Trainer%20Dummy%20Roun ds&strSubCatalogID=1&intCatalogID=&CurCatalogID=10001)

Oops! I just looked closer at the descriptions and they no longer use brass cases.
The 9mm are on the second page, btw.

ivanimal
02-16-2005, 8:55 PM
Nice product Bookie! I might just have to buy some.

On another note I just purchased 1000 projectiles, 2 lbs of powder, 2000 primers and a Taurus model 92 in 9MM alls we need is your spent cases Rika!

DVDTracker
02-24-2005, 1:43 PM
Technically you can make them, but as a matter of practice, I wouldn't recommend it as it makes it easier to get live and dummy rounds mixed up. You don't want to go from dry-fire practice to live-fire practice in your living room, do you? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I use the plastic bright orange dummy rounds.

Rikarin
02-24-2005, 9:42 PM
I finally made dummy out of real bullet... hehe more like side efect since I forget to put that long bar into primer tube and didn't know primer was not in for a while.....

I do not want to bullet mixes up. I practice in different part of the house than live ammo and I will color my dummy. Besides, its only for mag changes. Doing it with empty is so easy but when I have to do with full load, I always slap it twice. I have to get rid of this habit http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

CraigC
02-24-2005, 10:55 PM
I have a few dummy rounds for my .45, but they're not orange plastic. They're solid aluminum, and painted red. They have the same weight as a loaded round, though