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WeekendWarrior
08-13-2009, 10:19 AM
For all of you who like ghetto guns, what is the best value/quality gun you can get on the CA Market? I'm talking about the m11 clones, mini-uzis, etc.

Also, please post a quick blurb on how to legally acquire such guns for both builds or direct purchases. I'm pretty sure Ingrams are banned by name, but that is the general direction I want to go with a clone. Cobrays, etc.

Also, please post approximate cost of build or purchase. Really any info about where you bought it, etc. would be helpful.

I would like to spend as little as possible. Price-range I'm looking for is less than $700.


Oh yeah, don't be shy, post pics of yours if you got em!

If you have any interesting stories about looks you have gotten, awkward situations at the range or with LEOs, I would like to hear those too.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/mac_m10_9.jpg

strangerdude
08-13-2009, 10:22 AM
Check out prkfirearms, these guys have uzi, mac, etc..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=211601
Personally I wouldn't buy this type of gun unless It was full auto, these don't look that fun to shoot semi.

WeekendWarrior
08-13-2009, 10:26 AM
Yeah I have never shot one semi, have shot full auto before though at a machine gun shoot. pretty fun. I have always loved the look of Macs, and it has been one of my dream guns since I was a kid. I know they are not the best quality or most accurate handgun on the market, it would be for novelty purposes really.

SCMA-1
08-13-2009, 10:43 AM
I had a TEC-DC9 and a Cobray M11/9 I bought for cheap (~$110 each) back in the day but sold them for equally cheap just before the 2001 Ban because they are pretty much useless in semi-auto form, even with 32-34rd mags and I didn't want them taking up valuable space in my safes. Basically, they are heavy, poorly balanced, bulky and crappy triggered pistols. All show and no go; low speed high drag. I've shot some of these in their REAL SMG versions and they are quite effective close range weapons particularly with proper trigger discipline and their stocks extended.

SCMA-1

B Strong
08-13-2009, 11:02 AM
I once owned a very odd M11/9.

Picked it up from an individual in the 80's, when the model was first introduced.

Two digit serial number, used STEN mags, before that was offered by the manufacturer (they were using the plastic mags in the first ones sold) and there was no plate in the receiver to restrict the removal of the trigger group parts - nor was there any sign that the plate had been removed.

I ended up trading the thing off to an FFL dealer for some forgotten piece.

dchang0
08-13-2009, 1:04 PM
Are these really that common in the ghetto? Seems like the expense of actually getting them into the state, even illegally, would make them a poor choice for low-income areas.

strangerdude
08-13-2009, 1:09 PM
Are these really that common in the ghetto? Seems like the expense of actually getting them into the state, even illegally, would make them a poor choice for low-income areas.

back in the 80's and 90's yes, .22 is the most common street gun nowadays.

leitung
08-13-2009, 1:19 PM
Check out PRK for sure.. I want a tec 9 style gun, only because liberals are scared of them and want to ban them.. ;)

ALCO HK
08-13-2009, 1:58 PM
:tt1::tt1: want one

Q
08-13-2009, 2:05 PM
I did some reading on the uzi forum about the mpas and everyone seems to love them, some say that the mini 9 is the best mac clone ever, being smaller than the 380 m12. Honestly a glock 26 is far superior than the mini 9. I got to handle one and was not impressed, I think I could weld one better.:p The mpa 10 got that nostalgia but it looks huge and blocky, I guess it's one of those things that are just cool to have if you always wanted one..

If it was me, I wouldn't buy a mac or uzi clone. I'd save up a little more and buy a B&T TP9, or even more for a HK SP89.

The UZI clones did go up a lot when vector stopped making them(just like the V53p and v51p), so they could be a good investment if they were to stop making them again.

WeekendWarrior
08-13-2009, 2:19 PM
Really good info. Yeah, again, not looking for functionality here really, more like the novelty of owning an impractical gun I have always wanted. I didn't know we could get TP9s here in CA, I would want one of those over a mac or uzi clone. But they sell for like 1200 or 1400 don't they? if so they are out of my price range, there are a lot of other guns I would rather buy for that amount of money.

I agree with Leitung, another good reason for buying one of these semi-auto machine pistol clones would also fit in the pissing off liberals category. You got to love the guns that so many people hate. If I lived outside of CA I think I would buy a Calico just to have one.

PRKArms
08-13-2009, 2:22 PM
Heh..... we've got everything you're looking for...

even got open bolt RPB Mac's in stock ;)

WeekendWarrior
08-13-2009, 2:24 PM
OH YEAH, that's what I am looking for!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, I want a mini-9 so bad now!

http://www.uta.fi/festnews/fn98/tokuvat/hilkka3.jpg

I did some reading on the uzi forum about the mpas and everyone seems to love them, some say that the mini 9 is the best mac clone ever, being smaller than the 380 m12. Honestly a glock 26 is far superior than the mini 9.

PRKArms
08-13-2009, 2:27 PM
Go browse this thread:


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=174095

We need to add some more photo's but it should be drool worthy.

flatovercrest
08-13-2009, 2:49 PM
Personally I wouldn't buy this type of gun unless It was full auto, these don't look that fun to shoot semi.

I agree.

PRKArms
08-13-2009, 2:52 PM
You guys never hear of bumpfire?

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these are semi auto CA legal guns

BlackDrop50
08-13-2009, 5:29 PM
I say

JUST BUY ONE!:61:

DenArms
08-13-2009, 5:46 PM
Me and my friend have one... they are a blast to shoot, literally. Get one for the cool factor

PRKArms
08-13-2009, 6:11 PM
I say

JUST BUY ONE!:61:


Just ONE?

gotta get at least a pair.... you know...for firing while flying through the air in slow motion... ;)

WeekendWarrior
08-13-2009, 8:34 PM
Im Looking at the MPA-30 (9mm) pretty heavily right now. The mini looks a little too small and I would rather have better accuracy. Concealability factor is not something I am taking into account. I think I'm going for something like this with a compensator instead of the barrel extension and no flashlight:

https://www.masterpiecearms.com/prodimages/mpa30-sst-x.jpg

I guess this would be the model I would be buying.

https://www.masterpiecearms.com/prodimages/MPA30SST.jpg

ck867
08-13-2009, 10:30 PM
check out http://www.prkarms.org/ located in Fresno

tenbrook
08-14-2009, 7:13 AM
I have one for sale!

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k258/matter_daddy/IMG_1327.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k258/matter_daddy/IMG_1328.jpg

thefurball
08-14-2009, 8:07 AM
... Basically, they are heavy, poorly balanced, bulky and crappy triggered pistols. All show and no go; low speed high drag.
SCMA-1


Agree.

I owned a MAC10 and a MAC11 in semi way back when.

Like my buddy's ex-wife: All looks, very little substance.

SCMA-1
08-14-2009, 8:11 AM
Agree.

I owned a MAC10 and a MAC11 in semi way back when.

Like my buddy's ex-wife: All looks, very little substance.

That's only from a functional standpoint though; I totally understand that there are people who buy guns for other reasons like aesthetics and just pure fun.;)

thefurball
08-14-2009, 8:30 AM
That's only from a functional standpoint though; I totally understand that there are people who buy guns for other reasons like aesthetics and just pure fun.;)


True.

Stamatos
08-14-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm a big fan of the "jewish ghetto" myself so go for an UZI, it is on my wish list. I must say that I've had an AP9 for 12 years and had very few problems and it was a great shooter at 25 yards. I need to mod it to make it CA legal and then I'll be selling it to fund other projects.. hopefully that wish list UZI :D

WeekendWarrior
08-14-2009, 11:35 AM
Uzis are classic but a little bigger than I was looking for.

Caiman - I'm a pretty big guy, 6:2" so I'm not to worried about the side cocking factor. I definitely want to get a reflex sight on top as the irons look pretty bad for rapidfire, accurate shooting, which is something I am looking for.

I really wish I could scoop one of these up for $500 somewhere. I heard dealers are paying about $275 for them.