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08-09-2009, 7:40 PM

08-09-2009, 7:55 PM
IMO, a P220 is NOT a compact .45. It's only retreat from a full size 220 is a bit of length off the barrel. What's your intended use for this pistol? I know you don't want other recommendations, but there's far better options for a truly compact .45 than both of these. I've owned a 220 Carry and have fondled a G30 several times. The 220 is a nice shooting pistol but is a full size pistol. The G30 feels like crap to my hands, but that's just my opinion which is what you're asking for.

08-09-2009, 8:27 PM
ever need to remove to Bear Country due to widespread urban unrest

... a rifle...

08-09-2009, 8:35 PM
If I was going for a sub-compact and in .45 I would go with a 36. If I was going for a sub-compact not in a .45 then I would go with a 29SF. Personally, I like the compacts much better than the sub-compacts. What about the 23?

I'm not a Sig person myself. They're accurate, but I don't like shooting them. I've enjoyed the G19 much more than any other gun lately.

08-09-2009, 8:46 PM
I have a Sig 245 (pretty much the 220 carry's earlier incarnation, a 6+1 pistol) and a G30. (Not the SF).

I like Glocks a lot. I shoot the Sig better.

I also find my G30 (factory) mags really want to be 9s rather than 10s - failure to seat properly with 10. Since I don't have that problem with my other Glocks, I'm pretty sure it isn't operator error.

Not a lot of difference between 8+1 and 9+1; assuming you carry a reload, that's 17 compared to 19 (or 21 if you get 10 in your Glock mags). I'd think if I couldn't get myself out of the situation with 17, another 4 wouldn't be decisive.

08-09-2009, 8:57 PM
I enjoy Sigs (Have TOO MANY).. I enjoy HK's (Have not as many). But for 10 Rounds of 45 ACP, the G30 is an excellent choice!

08-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Here's a few thoughts for this from personal experience: XD45c (not very concealable, but more so than the G30 or 220C) is an excellent choice. I much prefer these to any Glock and even to SIG (owned 4 220's and stuck with the XD45c). Ergonomic and reliable with a 10 round capacity and don't feel bad using it as a beater. G36 is slimmer than a G30, although at the cost of capacity. Seriously, compared to the G30 or 36, the XD45c is a winner in my book although your mileage may differ. A tryout session should be enough to sway you either way as they're quite different. Another great option is the Kahr P45. I own one of these for the woods gun and it's awesome. Crazy small and light for a .45 while retaining great handling characteristics and great trigger. A bit harder to be hand, but they're available if you look around. 6+1 rounds plus an extra mag is plenty for the woods.

Rob Roy
08-09-2009, 11:02 PM
I own Glock 30 and recommend it. This is my favorite .45 for SD/HD. Its pros are accuracy, weight, reliability and size to capacity ratio.

08-09-2009, 11:09 PM
The 220 Carry is not compact. It has .5" lopped off the barrel. I had one and it was a great shooter although I prefer my older model full size 220.

08-10-2009, 3:27 AM
I have a P220 (regular size) but not the P220 carry. I am somewhat puzzled by the rationale for the P220 carry since it only differs from the P220 in half an inch of barrel/slide length, yet retains the same grip dimensions. If you have ever holstered the P220, it is the long grip and magazine bumper that is likely to print on cover garments, not the barrel or slide.

I would think the Sig P245 would be a more concealable version of the P220, with a shortened barrel/slide as well as a shorter grip. Of course the P245 has been discontinued and replaced with the P220 compact (not on the CA list). But many P245s are still available in nearly new condition. (The one below is not mine.)


B Strong
08-10-2009, 5:43 AM
I prefer the G30, SF or standard.

08-11-2009, 10:33 AM
Here is another vote for the Glock 30sf! It's my daily carry gun and with a good belt, you hardly know it's there.

08-11-2009, 4:52 PM
Sorry for having to input a different weapon despite you saying you aren't interested...but if you are looking for a possible backwoods defense handgun, I would consider a G29 since you say you like Glocks. I have one and love it, and it is dimensionally almost identical to the 30. An SF model of 29 is out now as well. 10mm has quite a bit more punch than .45 ACP does.

08-11-2009, 6:20 PM
Go with the G30SF.
As much as I like the SIG P220, I also cannot see the rationale of the SIG P220 Carry: It's only a SIG P220 with shorter barrel and slide; just for that, I'd rather have a full size P220.

08-11-2009, 6:50 PM
Glock 30SF is my favorite gun out of my collection.

I've handled Sigs, but don't own any. I think the 220 has too large a grip to CCW daily.

08-11-2009, 8:04 PM
I shoot my 220 carry ways better than my friend's Glock 30, after he shot my 220 carrry, he wanted to sell his Glock! I told him just keep it ( then I could sometimes shoot it :) ) AND buy a 220, he end up bought a 229 :(

Rudolf the Red
08-11-2009, 8:14 PM
Go for the Glock since you already have a 220. Half an inch length difference is the same gun. The Glock 30 only gets rave reviews just about everywhere. 10 rounds of .45 in a concealable package is a good thing.

I have the Glock 38. 8+1 rounds of .45 in a gun the size of a G19. 200 grain Gold Dots coming through!!

Rob Roy
08-11-2009, 8:39 PM
Sorry for having to input a different weapon despite you saying you aren't interested...but if you are looking for a possible backwoods defense handgun, I would consider a G29 since you say you like Glocks. I have one and love it, and it is dimensionally almost identical to the 30. An SF model of 29 is out now as well. 10mm has quite a bit more punch than .45 ACP does.
10mm is nice, but availability is so so and prices probably outrageous.

08-11-2009, 10:14 PM
P220 Compact SAO, or P245

08-12-2009, 6:15 AM
10mm is nice, but availability is so so and prices probably outrageous.

True enough. Even ordering online it is relatively expensive compared to most other handgun calibers. I load my own, so that helps a lot. I sometimes forget that some people only buy ammo from stores :)

08-12-2009, 9:56 AM
I have a 245 which as previously stated is the predecessor to the 220 Compact. I bought it a few years ago rather than a G30 (which was actually my original intention). I rented a G30 a few times and I was feeling the finger "pinch" with the G30, where my ring finger ended up on the gap between the grip and the magazine and would get pinched in between with every shot. I recall seeing others complain on some boards about that after I experienced it as well. Both were more accurate than me, and I don't feel either was bad from a felt recoil perspective. If you haven't tried a G30 then I'd suggest you try one first. Otherwise I think both are excellent firearms.

08-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the suggestion. I am very intrigued by a 10mm. How is the felt recoil on a G29 in comparison to a G30? Also, can you comment on ammo availability with respect to the 10mm?

Prior to the ammo rush, every FFL in my area stocked 10mm. Right now it is a little hard to find, but hey, so is .22 and 9mm. Online ordering of 10mm gives generally better prices and the option to purchase truly full-house ammo.

As far as recoil, it depends on the ammo you are shooting. 10mm is available in watered down .40 S&W form, or really hot stuff with 40% more muzzle energy than .45. If you are running the lighter, practice ammo stuff the felt recoil is less than your average .45 cal weapon. However, the full power stuff does have a decent snap. It isn't as bad as a large caliber revolver, but still more than you'd ever get from the Glock 30. I would not go so far as to call it unreasonable to manage, FYI.

08-12-2009, 10:10 PM
You can find ammo if you look. I've been able to shoot 500 rounds this month so far and that's only because I didn't have enough money to shoot anymore.

The 10mm is an awesome round, and if you want full power stuff for SD then look into DoubleTap ammo.

08-12-2009, 10:11 PM
Glock 30SF.

08-12-2009, 10:24 PM
Under some glitch in the state law, he was able to sell it as a used gun after one year expired without selling it.

Unless he sold it to himself with an exemption (special wepaons permit, possibly) and then PPT'd it, there is no such exemption.

08-12-2009, 10:25 PM
Is the SIG P220 SAO (in any size) available for purchase in California?

P220R Carry SAO (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy Pistol 3.75" .45 ACP 6/23/2010
P220R Carry SAO (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy

The trigger pull is very short, very crisp. The trigger rest is like nothing you've seen on a Sig pistol before.

08-12-2009, 11:32 PM
I have a Sig 220 compact and love it. Its hard to find in CA not being on the CA list but is a good score if you can find one. The beavertail helps with getting a better grip than the 245 also. The accuracy is not lacking either. The only think I wish is that Crimson Trace would make some grips for it.

08-13-2009, 8:55 AM
The Glock 30 is definitely a nice handgun. For concealed carry and same round count the 29 would be a good choice. The overall depth is 0.31 inches less (4.45" vs 4.76") and as posted, the 10 mm can be had in various velocities and weights.