I just received my Nevada ccw in the mail on Saturday!

[Big Jake]

Ten days from application/fingerprinting/mug shot to permit in my mailbox. Wow that is fast. Of course I took a weekend trip to Las Vegas and got my Friday mail before leaving and it was in Saturday's mail.

One day earlier and I could have carried in Las Vegas. Oh well!:mad:

[wellerjohn]

Congrats!!

[Invisible_Dave]

That was fast. I was told 60 days was average in Washoe (reno) county.

[626Tony]

HEAR HEAR CONGRATS any instructor u can refer me to ?

[Glock22Fan]

HEAR HEAR CONGRATS any instructor u can refer me to ?

When you e-mail him tell him that "Big Jake from calguns.net sent you and he will know that I referred you. His e-mail address is ssprotection@hotmail.com

Big Jake recommended this guy to me. calguns thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=209380) I've had some phone calls and emails with him, and he appears both knowledgable and helpful. Some of the others I contacted couldn't even bother to reply.

From what I've seen so far, I concurr with Big Jake.

[Big Jake]

HEAR HEAR CONGRATS any instructor u can refer me to ?

Great guy! e-mail him at ssprotection@hotmail.com Tell him Big Jake referred you and he will know it was me that sent you. Guy is former army ranger and LEO. Guy is also certified for Utah/Florida/Massachusets/Rhode Island. I am in the process of applying for MA/RI permit now!

[Big Jake]

That was fast. I was told 60 days was average in Washoe (reno) county.

When I turned in my application in Las Vegas they told me could be as much as 90 days! They must not be very busy with ccw applications! :shrug:

[thebronze]

Congrats! but what does that do for you if you live in Kali?

[Big Jake]

Congrats! but what does that do for you if you live in Kali?

It will allow you to carry in Nevada as they no longer recognize ccw from Utah or Florida.

[Maestro Pistolero]

One day earlier and I could have carried in Las Vegas. You could still carry loaded openly here. And you could have it loaded in your vehicle, anywhere but on your person. Next time!

[Acorn556]

It's open carry but yeah it allows you to walk into casinos with a gun on you. I've considered carrying when I'm there but I usually don't venture where I'd question the people.

[Rem222]

The last time I was in Harrahs Reno they had signs at the doors saying CCWs were not welcome. Walked out and took my money to CalNeva...

[Glock22Fan]

Something I didn't realize, and you may not either. Jake's friend told me today that once you get a CCW, they frown on open carry. OC is, apparently, just for those who haven't got a CCW. Jake's friend told me that (like some - most? - California sheriffs) they will probably pull your CCW if you get caught OC'ing.

[Big Jake]

Here is the skinny on OC in Las Vegas. When I took my ccw class in Las Vegas several weeks ago the instructor (who happens to be a Clark County Deputy Sheriff) gave us the following info...

While OC is legal in Nevada it is highly frowned upon in Las Vegas! If you try it (especially on the strip or in a casino) the result will likely be 8-10 police officers pointing guns at you while you are spread eagle on the ground!

Clark County passed a law several years ago called the "Public Nuisance Law" This law was passed specifically for OC of firearms. Since Nevada has preemption laws, which prevent cities/counties from regulating firearms the public nuisance law comes into effect.

After you are disarmed and investigated for OC LEO will write you a $25.00 citation for this infraction. It is an infraction because to make it a misdemeanor would violate state premption laws.

This was not lost on the authorities when law was passed. This way it cannot be challenged by NRA or other pro-firearm groups because it is a non-criminal offense.

The $25.00 infraction is not the big deal. LEO will confiscate your firearm and you will have to go before a judge if you want it back and convince the judge that you have a VERY GOOD REASON for OC.

Most likely you will not be able to convince judge of good reason and he/she will declare your firearm a "Public Nusiance" and it will be destroyed! Jumping on the 2A bandwagon will likely result in a contempt of court fine as judges do not like people (especially non-residents!) use of this lame excuse.

OUCH! The loss of your firearm is the real cost of OC in Las Vegas! OC is well accepted in Reno/Carson area of state as it is more rural and less dependent on tourist dollars then is Las Vegas.

The authorities do not like scared tourists for obvious reasons. Bottom line here is OC in Las Vegas and you will almost surely lose your firearm and Nevada ccw if you have one!

One other point that was made by instructor is that since Las Vegas is high on terrorist target list they take no chances when it comes to people carrying guns as they do not want a Virginia Tech incident to occur there.

The LEO's have no way of knowing your intentions while OCing. Instructor also added that if the incident occurs during summmer time you may find yourself spread eagle on sidewalk in 110 degree heat.

OUCH AND DOUBLE OUCH! LEO will let you stay there awhile and if you get a burn from hot sidewalk that is their revenge as well!

Much better to get your Nevada ccw I would think!:rant:

[Big Jake]

The last time I was in Harrahs Reno they had signs at the doors saying CCWs were not welcome. Walked out and took my money to CalNeva...

Most casinos will not let you ccw on their property. If it is posted and you ccw anyway and get caught then they will probably have you arrested for criminal tresspass and you will surely lose your Nevada ccw!:(

[Invisible_Dave]

Most casinos will not let you ccw on their property. If it is posted and you ccw anyway and get caught then they will probably have you arrested for criminal tresspass and you will surely lose your Nevada ccw!:(

According to my CCW instructor the signs that say "no ccws" carry no weight in NV with the exception of those listed in the law. (there aren't many) Near as I can tell you can't be criminal trespass unless they ask you to leave and you refuse. I'll look at the law but I think they are prohibited from restricting access with a CCW.

[Glock22Fan]

I was told by a Nevada instructor that it's not illegal to carry on private property, but they can put signs up saying that they don't allow it. If you are caught, they will ask you to leave and take your firearm with you. If you insist on staying, they will usually call the cops to evict you. However, just being there in the first place is not a criminal offense.

I asked about in the hotel attached to the casino. I was told that there would be no problem taking a firearm into your hotel room in your luggage, keeping it in your hotel room (as it is your dwelling) and that if stopped carrying outside your room but inside the casino, it should be OK just to take it back to your room.

Added: He also said that refusing to leave and then getting evicted was a good way to have your CCW revoked.

[Maestro Pistolero]

Most casinos will not let you ccw on their property.

They don't care, and they prefer not to know, so don't make it their business by being indiscrete. I've been working in casinos here for a decade, and I've never been in one unarmed. Don't be an ***, and they won't treat you like one. People here travel with lots of cash to play. The last thing a casino is going to tell them is that they can't cary their protection with them.

If you are planning on drinking, they will be more than happy to secure you firearm for you while you are their guest, so you don't have to leave it in the car if you are driving. This will be done at no charge and with a smile. Also, most hotel rooms have safes, if you prefer.

Viva Las Vegas

[Big Jake]

Casinos are private property and as such the owners or manegement can allow or disallow ccw if they choose to. While it is not illegal to ccw in casinos if caught they can ask you to leave.

Refusal to leave if asked to do so is criminal trespass. be discreet and no one will know anyway. Drinking while ccw is definatley a no no and is actually a Felony in Nevada!

[EOD Guy]

Casinos are private property and as such the owners or manegement can allow or disallow ccw if they choose to. While it is not illegal to ccw in casinos if caught they can ask you to leave.

Refusal to leave if asked to do so is criminal trespass. be discreet and no one will know anyway. Drinking while ccw is definatley a no no and is actually a Felony in Nevada!

Drinking is not a violation in Nevada while carrying. As a matter of fact the legal limit while carrying is higher than that for driving (0.1 vs 0.08).

That, of course, doesn't mean it is advised, or smart, if you are planning a night of drinking.

[Glock22Fan]

Drinking is not a violation in Nevada while carrying. As a matter of fact the legal limit while carrying is higher than that for driving (0.1 vs 0.08).

That, of course, doesn't mean it is advised, or smart, if you are planning a night of drinking.

I understand that this is correct. However, I was also told that they will throw the book at you if they suspect that alcohol, even a lower level, had any influence in a shooting situation.

[Big Jake]

Drinking is not a violation in Nevada while carrying. As a matter of fact the legal limit while carrying is higher than that for driving (0.1 vs 0.08).

That, of course, doesn't mean it is advised, or smart, if you are planning a night of drinking.

It is not a violation, however, if caught drinking while ccw you will probably lose your ccw!

[Invisible_Dave]

And you gun. Will be distroyed if carried while intoxicated.

[Big Jake]

And you gun. Will be distroyed if carried while intoxicated.

I have no doubt about this one!

[Maestro Pistolero]

I got pulled over and tested a couple of years ago here. Had My XD45 on the seat. When I blew .03 he sent me on my way with a speeding ticket , my gun, and a "have a nice evening". Stopped drinking alcohol altogether shortly after that, for personal development reasons.

[Big Jake]

I got pulled over and tested a couple of years ago here. Had My XD45 on the seat. When I blew .03 he sent me on my way with a speeding ticket , my gun, and a "have a nice evening". Stopped drinking alcohol altogether shortly after that, for personal development reasons.

You were lucky to have encountered nice LEO! You could have had your firearm confiscated and ccw revoked!

[dantodd]

I understand that this is correct. However, I was also told that they will throw the book at you if they suspect that alcohol, even a lower level, had any influence in a shooting situation.

It is crazy that we still want to blame the gun for somehow being extra-super dangerous in and of itself. If you aren't going to run someone off the road with your 3,000 lb car with .04% BAC you are probably not going to riddle them with 9mm either. It is much easier to argue that the limit should be higher when carrying a gun than when driving a car. At least with a gun it is only the lowering of inhibitions that is really at issue, with a car you are not only susceptible to poor judgment related to lowered inhibitions but the reduction of motor skills and reaction time adds an additional danger. Of course, those same issues would relate to firearms but only AFTER your lowered inhibitions caused you to decide to use the gun in the first place.

There is no reason, other than hoplophobia, to set some magic BAC lower than that acceptable for driving.

[Big Jake]

It is crazy that we still want to blame the gun for somehow being extra-super dangerous in and of itself. If you aren't going to run someone off the road with your 3,000 lb car with .04% BAC you are probably not going to riddle them with 9mm either. It is much easier to argue that the limit should be higher when carrying a gun than when driving a car. At least with a gun it is only the lowering of inhibitions that is really at issue, with a car you are not only susceptible to poor judgment related to lowered inhibitions but the reduction of motor skills and reaction time adds an additional danger. Of course, those same issues would relate to firearms but only AFTER your lowered inhibitions caused you to decide to use the gun in the first place.

There is no reason, other than hoplophobia, to set some magic BAC lower than that acceptable for driving.

From my point of view no one should ever be carrying a firearm and drinking at the same time. The two simply don't go together. While most people may be able to handle it it only takes one person that has a bit too much to drink to lose their tempor or whatever and a tragedy occurs!

Bottom line from my perspective is don't drink and ccw!

[Invisible_Dave]

I guess I should be more specific. You "can" drink and carry, as long as you remain below .08, same as a car. (This was lowered from .1 several years ago as I remember)

This being said I think its a bad idea to drink ANYTHING and carry.

[dantodd]

You were lucky to have encountered nice LEO! You could have had your firearm confiscated and ccw revoked!

Can you cite the law/rule saying this is a no-no? I can't find it.

[dantodd]

From my point of view no one should ever be carrying a firearm and drinking at the same time. The two simply don't go together.

Do you hold the same belief for driving an automobile? Or do you feel an automobile being driven down the road is somehow safer than a firearm in a holster under these conditions?

[Maestro Pistolero]

You were lucky to have encountered nice LEO! You could have had your firearm confiscated and ccw revoked!

I have never heard of this and I've been packing in Las Vegas on and off for twenty years. The last ten years everyday, because I live here now. Over the years I have had several traffic stops for one minor reason or another, usually not resulting in any citation, and I have never had a problem.

Either it's .08 or it isn't. Besides .03 is really, really low, like less-than-one-beer low. A swig of mouthwash could top that. And I wasn't concealing. You can have a loaded gun in your car as long as it's registered and not on your person. I haven't met a cop here yet who is the least bit concerned about a law abiding citizen having a gun (and I know a few).

[Glock22Fan]

It is crazy that we still want to blame the gun for somehow being extra-super dangerous in and of itself. If you aren't going to run someone off the road with your 3,000 lb car with .04% BAC you are probably not going to riddle them with 9mm either. It is much easier to argue that the limit should be higher when carrying a gun than when driving a car. At least with a gun it is only the lowering of inhibitions that is really at issue, with a car you are not only susceptible to poor judgment related to lowered inhibitions but the reduction of motor skills and reaction time adds an additional danger. Of course, those same issues would relate to firearms but only AFTER your lowered inhibitions caused you to decide to use the gun in the first place.

There is no reason, other than hoplophobia, to set some magic BAC lower than that acceptable for driving.

I agree 1,000%. But then, as a European, I don't always find people this side of the pond to be as open to it as I am. There's still puritan shades of prohibition here.

If you feel that you are a danger to the world with a gun on your hip and a beer in your belly, you shouldn't drive either.

Me, I've been drinking for half a century. I know what alcohol does to me. I haven't got belligerent or picked a fight with anyone yet. I'm safer with a beer and a gun than I am with a beer and a car. In moderation, for both, of course.

[Dirtbozz]

I will not bend to a state that has no respect for precedence. They agreed to reciprocity with Utah, they became money grubbing cowards once they rescinded that agreement.

[Big Jake]

Do you hold the same belief for driving an automobile? Or do you feel an automobile being driven down the road is somehow safer than a firearm in a holster under these conditions?

I do not feel anyone should be carrying firearm or diving a car while they have alcohol in their system. If you want to drink then don't drive or ccw while doing it!

Just my personal opinion of course!

[wrightme]

I will not bend to a state that has no respect for precedence. They agreed to reciprocity with Utah, they became money grubbing cowards once they rescinded that agreement.
Nevada did not have reciprocity with any state. They recognize permits from select states based upon the CCW program in place. UT and FL changed their programs so they no longer fit the standards in place.

Nevada CCW information. (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Pages/CCW_FAQ.php)

[wrightme]

You were lucky to have encountered nice LEO! You could have had your firearm confiscated and ccw revoked!
False. This is very unlikely to happen in Nevada. Do you know of a statute in Nevada that allows this? Do you know of ANYONE who has had this happen?

[wrightme]

And you gun. Will be distroyed if carried while intoxicated.

I have no doubt about this one!

LOL. I have great doubt about this one. Do you have ANY references to this ever happening in Nevada? Firearms are normally returned to owners in Nevada.

[Big Jake]

I do not personaly know anyone this has happened to, however, the ccw instructor in Las Vegas that I went to for training is a Clark County Deputy Sheriff and he told us at the ccw training of this occuring!

I take him for his word as he is LEO!

[wrightme]

I do not personaly know anyone this has happened to, however, the ccw instructor in Las Vegas that I went to for training is a Clark County Deputy Sheriff and he told us at the ccw training of this occuring!

I take him for his word as he is LEO!
There is your failure. Being an LEO does not automatically make him correct.

I have not seen a single point of law you have presented that is accurate or valid. Your instructor was either misinformed, or intentionally presenting false information. Take your pick. My Nevada CCW instructor in the north was a DA. I received pages and pages of actual NRS statute references. The "information" you received does not match actual NRS. He was wrong.

[dantodd]

I do not feel anyone should be carrying firearm or diving a car while they have alcohol in their system. If you want to drink then don't drive or ccw while doing it!

Just my personal opinion of course!

As long as you are consistent and state it as your opinion there is no problem. As I'm sure you can understand people here are very sensitive when you start saying something is the law or you could lose your firearms when it is not true.

I know very few people who will never drive after having a glass of wine etc. with dinner, I hope that you are always able to live up to the high standard you have chosen to set for yourself. Please understand that it is difficult and rarely appropriate to impose your own moral standards on others.

[Glock22Fan]

Mind you, we all know people who shouldn't be allowed to either drive or carry a firearm when they are stone cold sober :D

[Glock22Fan]

Nevada did not have reciprocity with any state. They recognize permits from select states based upon the CCW program in place. UT and FL changed their programs so they no longer fit the standards in place.

Nevada CCW information. (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Pages/CCW_FAQ.php)

As I remember it, it was surprising, when Nevada first recognized other state's permits (a year or two back) that Utah and Florida were even on the list, as neither of those states met Nevada's THEN (and now) requirement for practical shooting. However, Nevada were in a hurry to get the list out and perhaps overlooked this fact at the time.

The change this year is not because Utah and Florida have changed, it is, I understand, because Nevada is belatedly saying "We made a mistake accepting those two, as they don't meet our requirements. This puts that right."

[Big Jake]

As long as you are consistent and state it as your opinion there is no problem. As I'm sure you can understand people here are very sensitive when you start saying something is the law or you could lose your firearms when it is not true.

I know very few people who will never drive after having a glass of wine etc. with dinner, I hope that you are always able to live up to the high standard you have chosen to set for yourself. Please understand that it is difficult and rarely appropriate to impose your own moral standards on others.

I have set extremly high standards for myself! I NEVER drink alcohol. PERIOD! It is not that I have a moral issue with having an occasional drink.

My wife drinks wine with dinner several times weekly and I take no issue with it, however, when it comes to driving and/or ccw with alcohol in any amount then it has crossed my personal line.

The consequences of either could (and have) cost people their lives. As far as ccw laws in Nevada are concerened I can only relate what I was taught in my class.

Even if the instructor is wrong on the legal issues good judgement and common sense dictate that ccw while drinking is a bad idea!

Again, just my personal opinion. I have had many LEO encounters while ccw and NEVER had any problems because I beleive the way I handled myself as a mature, responsible, law abiding adult made all the difference.

These encounters have been for minor traffic violations and such. I never recieved a citation as a result of the way I handled the encounter while ccw.

I am not passing judgement on anyone. I simply beleive that if you conduct yourself with the utmost maturity and good judgement that most things in life are within your control.

My father raised me to be a perfectionist. It may not be for everyone but it has made me the man I am today and I make no apologies for it. I think that anyone who knows me would consider me to be succesful in all aspects of life!:rant:

[wrightme]

IAs far as ccw laws in Nevada are concerened I can only relate what I was taught in my class.
My father raised me to be a perfectionist.Given those two statements, I would think you would be interested in the actual rule of law, and not take the word of a simple ccw instructor for it. He is sorely incorrect. IF he is teaching what he believes, he is woefully ignorant of the applicable statutes. As he is LE, that is scary. If he conducts law enforcement based upon what he taught you, he is headed for lawsuits.

Don't you think you should become informed of actual laws as opposed to repeating falsehoods?

[wrightme]

As I remember it, it was surprising, when Nevada first recognized other state's permits (a year or two back) that Utah and Florida were even on the list, as neither of those states met Nevada's THEN (and now) requirement for practical shooting. However, Nevada were in a hurry to get the list out and perhaps overlooked this fact at the time.

The change this year is not because Utah and Florida have changed, it is, I understand, because Nevada is belatedly saying "We made a mistake accepting those two, as they don't meet our requirements. This puts that right."
Good points, and likely to be more accurate than my statement.

[Liberty1]

Big Jake,

Reform, repent and learn...




















































or turn in your John Wayne card :p

[dantodd]

I have set extremly high standards for myself! I NEVER drink alcohol. PERIOD! It is not that I have a moral issue with having an occasional drink.


The consequences of either could (and have) cost people their lives. As far as ccw laws in Nevada are concerened I can only relate what I was taught in my class.

as others have said, this seems contrary to your claim of perfectionism.


Even if the instructor is wrong on the legal issues good judgement and common sense dictate that ccw while drinking is a bad idea!

First, have you not bothered to look up the law, even with all this discussion? Seems you are much more interested in professing your beliefs than knowing the law.

Second, your definition of good judgment differs from mine. I don't feel it is poor judgment to carry or drive with .01 ABV. You do, that's fine. I feel that arguing a point without knowledge of the actual law is poor judgment. You don't, that's fine.


Again, just my personal opinion. I have had many LEO encounters while ccw and NEVER had any problems because I beleive the way I handled myself as a mature, responsible, law abiding adult made all the difference.

These encounters have been for minor traffic violations and such. I never recieved a citation as a result ofthe way I handled the encounter while ccw.


I think we can agree on this.


I am not passing judgement on anyone. I simply beleive that if you conduct yourself with the utmost maturity and good judgement that most things in life are within your control.

Are you saying that it is not passing judgment to say that someone is using poor judgment? Are those two different forms of "judgment?"

[Big Jake]

as others have said, this seems contrary to your claim of perfectionism.



First, have you not bothered to look up the law, even with all this discussion? Seems you are much more interested in professing your beliefs than knowing the law.

Second, your definition of good judgment differs from mine. I don't feel it is poor judgment to carry or drive with .01 ABV. You do, that's fine. I feel that arguing a point without knowledge of the actual law is poor judgment. You don't, that's fine.




I think we can agree on this.



Are you saying that it is not passing judgment to say that someone is using poor judgment? Are those two different forms of "judgment?"

This is a pointless discussion! I respect everyone's right to their own views. Let's not split hairs. We need to move on from this.:inquis:

[nomidlname]

Something I didn't realize, and you may not either. Jake's friend told me today that once you get a CCW, they frown on open carry. OC is, apparently, just for those who haven't got a CCW. Jake's friend told me that (like some - most? - California sheriffs) they will probably pull your CCW if you get caught OC'ing.

Dead Wrong. OC is 100% legal almost everywhere regardless of your CCW status.

NRS 202.3657 Application for permit; eligibility; denial or revocation of permit.

1. Any person who is a resident of this State may apply to the sheriff of the county in which he resides for a permit on a form prescribed by regulation of the Department. Any person who is not a resident of this State may apply to the sheriff of any county in this State for a permit on a form prescribed by regulation of the Department. Application forms for permits must be furnished by the sheriff of each county upon request.

2. Except as otherwise provided in this section, the sheriff shall issue a permit for revolvers, one or more specific semiautomatic firearms, or for revolvers and one or more specific semiautomatic firearms, as applicable, to any person who is qualified to possess the firearm or firearms to which the application pertains under state and federal law, who submits an application in accordance with the provisions of this section and who:

(a) Is 21 years of age or older;

(b) Is not prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to NRS 202.360; and

(c) Demonstrates competence with revolvers, each specific semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm, as applicable, by presenting a certificate or other documentation to the sheriff which shows that he:

(1) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety approved by a sheriff in this State; or

(2) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety offered by a federal, state or local law enforcement agency, community college, university or national organization that certifies instructors in firearm safety.

Ê Such a course must include instruction in the use of revolvers, each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm and in the laws of this State relating to the use of a firearm. A sheriff may not approve a course in firearm safety pursuant to subparagraph (1) unless he determines that the course meets any standards that are established by the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association or, if the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association ceases to exist, its legal successor.

3. The sheriff shall deny an application or revoke a permit if he determines that the applicant or permittee:

(a) Has an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

(b) Has been judicially declared incompetent or insane.

(c) Has been voluntarily or involuntarily admitted to a mental health facility during the immediately preceding 5 years.

(d) Has habitually used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. For the purposes of this paragraph, it is presumed that a person has so used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance if, during the immediately preceding 5 years, he has been:

(1) Convicted of violating the provisions of NRS 484.379; or

(2) Committed for treatment pursuant to NRS 458.290 to 458.350, inclusive.

(e) Has been convicted of a crime involving the use or threatened use of force or violence punishable as a misdemeanor under the laws of this or any other state, or a territory or possession of the United States at any time during the immediately preceding 3 years.

(f) Has been convicted of a felony in this State or under the laws of any state, territory or possession of the United States.

(g) Has been convicted of a crime involving domestic violence or stalking, or is currently subject to a restraining order, injunction or other order for protection against domestic violence.

(h) Is currently on parole or probation from a conviction obtained in this State or in any other state or territory or possession of the United States.

(i) Has, within the immediately preceding 5 years, been subject to any requirements imposed by a court of this State or of any other state or territory or possession of the United States, as a condition to the court’s:

(1) Withholding of the entry of judgment for his conviction of a felony; or

(2) Suspension of his sentence for the conviction of a felony.

(j) Has made a false statement on any application for a permit or for the renewal of a permit.

4. The sheriff may deny an application or revoke a permit if he receives a sworn affidavit stating articulable facts based upon personal knowledge from any natural person who is 18 years of age or older that the applicant or permittee has or may have committed an offense or engaged in any other activity specified in subsection 3 which would preclude the issuance of a permit to the applicant or require the revocation of a permit pursuant to this section.

5. If the sheriff receives notification submitted by a court or law enforcement agency of this or any other state, the United States or a territory or possession of the United States that a permittee or an applicant for a permit has been charged with a crime involving the use or threatened use of force or violence, the conviction for which would require the revocation of a permit or preclude the issuance of a permit to the applicant pursuant to this section, the sheriff shall suspend the person’s permit or the processing of his application until the final disposition of the charges against him. If a permittee is acquitted of the charges against him, or if the charges are dropped, the sheriff shall restore his permit without imposing a fee.

6. An application submitted pursuant to this section must be completed and signed under oath by the applicant. The applicant’s signature must be witnessed by an employee of the sheriff or notarized by a notary public. The application must include:

(a) The name, address, place and date of birth, social security number, occupation and employer of the applicant and any other names used by the applicant;

(b) A complete set of the applicant’s fingerprints taken by the sheriff or his agent;

(c) A front-view colored photograph of the applicant taken by the sheriff or his agent;

(d) If the applicant is a resident of this State, the driver’s license number or identification card number of the applicant issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles;

(e) If the applicant is not a resident of this State, the driver’s license number or identification card number of the applicant issued by another state or jurisdiction;

(f) The make, model and caliber of each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, if any;

(g) Whether the application pertains to revolvers;

(h) A nonrefundable fee in the amount necessary to obtain the report required pursuant to subsection 1 of NRS 202.366; and

(i) A nonrefundable fee set by the sheriff not to exceed $60.

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2721; A 1997, 1175; 2001, 612, 618, 2579; 2003, 8, 11; 2007, 3151)

[nomidlname]

Most casinos will not let you ccw on their property. If it is posted and you ccw anyway and get caught then they will probably have you arrested for criminal tresspass and you will surely lose your Nevada ccw!:(

Wrong. You will not lose your CCW for conceal carrying on casino property or even if your convicting of criminal trespass.

NRS 202.3657 Application for permit; eligibility; denial or revocation of permit.

1. Any person who is a resident of this State may apply to the sheriff of the county in which he resides for a permit on a form prescribed by regulation of the Department. Any person who is not a resident of this State may apply to the sheriff of any county in this State for a permit on a form prescribed by regulation of the Department. Application forms for permits must be furnished by the sheriff of each county upon request.

2. Except as otherwise provided in this section, the sheriff shall issue a permit for revolvers, one or more specific semiautomatic firearms, or for revolvers and one or more specific semiautomatic firearms, as applicable, to any person who is qualified to possess the firearm or firearms to which the application pertains under state and federal law, who submits an application in accordance with the provisions of this section and who:

(a) Is 21 years of age or older;

(b) Is not prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to NRS 202.360; and

(c) Demonstrates competence with revolvers, each specific semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm, as applicable, by presenting a certificate or other documentation to the sheriff which shows that he:

(1) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety approved by a sheriff in this State; or

(2) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety offered by a federal, state or local law enforcement agency, community college, university or national organization that certifies instructors in firearm safety.

Ê Such a course must include instruction in the use of revolvers, each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm and in the laws of this State relating to the use of a firearm. A sheriff may not approve a course in firearm safety pursuant to subparagraph (1) unless he determines that the course meets any standards that are established by the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association or, if the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association ceases to exist, its legal successor.

3. The sheriff shall deny an application or revoke a permit if he determines that the applicant or permittee:

(a) Has an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

(b) Has been judicially declared incompetent or insane.

(c) Has been voluntarily or involuntarily admitted to a mental health facility during the immediately preceding 5 years.

(d) Has habitually used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. For the purposes of this paragraph, it is presumed that a person has so used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance if, during the immediately preceding 5 years, he has been:

(1) Convicted of violating the provisions of NRS 484.379; or

(2) Committed for treatment pursuant to NRS 458.290 to 458.350, inclusive.

(e) Has been convicted of a crime involving the use or threatened use of force or violence punishable as a misdemeanor under the laws of this or any other state, or a territory or possession of the United States at any time during the immediately preceding 3 years.

(f) Has been convicted of a felony in this State or under the laws of any state, territory or possession of the United States.

(g) Has been convicted of a crime involving domestic violence or stalking, or is currently subject to a restraining order, injunction or other order for protection against domestic violence.

(h) Is currently on parole or probation from a conviction obtained in this State or in any other state or territory or possession of the United States.

(i) Has, within the immediately preceding 5 years, been subject to any requirements imposed by a court of this State or of any other state or territory or possession of the United States, as a condition to the court’s:

(1) Withholding of the entry of judgment for his conviction of a felony; or

(2) Suspension of his sentence for the conviction of a felony.

(j) Has made a false statement on any application for a permit or for the renewal of a permit.

4. The sheriff may deny an application or revoke a permit if he receives a sworn affidavit stating articulable facts based upon personal knowledge from any natural person who is 18 years of age or older that the applicant or permittee has or may have committed an offense or engaged in any other activity specified in subsection 3 which would preclude the issuance of a permit to the applicant or require the revocation of a permit pursuant to this section.

5. If the sheriff receives notification submitted by a court or law enforcement agency of this or any other state, the United States or a territory or possession of the United States that a permittee or an applicant for a permit has been charged with a crime involving the use or threatened use of force or violence, the conviction for which would require the revocation of a permit or preclude the issuance of a permit to the applicant pursuant to this section, the sheriff shall suspend the person’s permit or the processing of his application until the final disposition of the charges against him. If a permittee is acquitted of the charges against him, or if the charges are dropped, the sheriff shall restore his permit without imposing a fee.

6. An application submitted pursuant to this section must be completed and signed under oath by the applicant. The applicant’s signature must be witnessed by an employee of the sheriff or notarized by a notary public. The application must include:

(a) The name, address, place and date of birth, social security number, occupation and employer of the applicant and any other names used by the applicant;

(b) A complete set of the applicant’s fingerprints taken by the sheriff or his agent;

(c) A front-view colored photograph of the applicant taken by the sheriff or his agent;

(d) If the applicant is a resident of this State, the driver’s license number or identification card number of the applicant issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles;

(e) If the applicant is not a resident of this State, the driver’s license number or identification card number of the applicant issued by another state or jurisdiction;

(f) The make, model and caliber of each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, if any;

(g) Whether the application pertains to revolvers;

(h) A nonrefundable fee in the amount necessary to obtain the report required pursuant to subsection 1 of NRS 202.366; and

(i) A nonrefundable fee set by the sheriff not to exceed $60.

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2721; A 1997, 1175; 2001, 612, 618, 2579; 2003, 8, 11; 2007, 3151)

[wrightme]

This is a pointless discussion! I respect everyone's right to their own views. Let's not split hairs. We need to move on from this.:inquis:
Pointless? You present false statements about the laws of Nevada, and when corrected, the discussion is now pointless? How come it didn't seem pointless to you when you were pontificating?

[Big Jake]

Dead Wrong. OC is 100% legal almost everywhere regardless of your CCW status.

OC is legal in Nevada but if you try it on the Las Vegas strip you will probably lose your gun! LEO who trained me told me that they do confiscate guns in Clark County and the judges usually declare them a public nuisance and order them destroyed!

I would not try OC on Las Vegas strip! There is no point to it and you are inviting trouble if you do. They may do it differently up in Reno area.

[wrightme]

OC is legal in Nevada but if you try it on the Las Vegas strip you will probably lose your gun! LEO who trained me told me that they do confiscate guns in Clark County and the judges usually declare them a public nuisance and order them destroyed!

I would not try OC on Las Vegas strip! There is no point to it and you are inviting trouble if you do. They may do it differently up in Reno area.

FALSE.
Why don't you actually listen to those who LIVE in Nevada, and if you desire to make such a claim as that, back it up with more than "an LE told me."
Here is a tip that will help you immensely. Do NOT go to LE for legal advice.

1. OC in Las Vegas is LEGAL.
2. OC on the Strip is LEGAL.
3. Firearms are not confiscated for LEGAL activity, no matter what your instructor falsely told you.

[nomidlname]

Here is the skinny on OC in Las Vegas. When I took my ccw class in Las Vegas several weeks ago the instructor (who happens to be a Clark County Deputy Sheriff) gave us the following info...

While OC is legal in Nevada it is highly frowned upon in Las Vegas! If you try it (especially on the strip or in a casino) the result will likely be 8-10 police officers pointing guns at you while you are spread eagle on the ground!

Clark County passed a law several years ago called the "Public Nuisance Law" This law was passed specifically for OC of firearms. Since Nevada has preemption laws, which prevent cities/counties from regulating firearms the public nuisance law comes into effect.

After you are disarmed and investigated for OC LEO will write you a $25.00 citation for this infraction. It is an infraction because to make it a misdemeanor would violate state premption laws.

This was not lost on the authorities when law was passed. This way it cannot be challenged by NRA or other pro-firearm groups because it is a non-criminal offense.

The $25.00 infraction is not the big deal. LEO will confiscate your firearm and you will have to go before a judge if you want it back and convince the judge that you have a VERY GOOD REASON for OC.

Most likely you will not be able to convince judge of good reason and he/she will declare your firearm a "Public Nusiance" and it will be destroyed! Jumping on the 2A bandwagon will likely result in a contempt of court fine as judges do not like people (especially non-residents!) use of this lame excuse.

OUCH! The loss of your firearm is the real cost of OC in Las Vegas! OC is well accepted in Reno/Carson area of state as it is more rural and less dependent on tourist dollars then is Las Vegas.

The authorities do not like scared tourists for obvious reasons. Bottom line here is OC in Las Vegas and you will almost surely lose your firearm and Nevada ccw if you have one!

One other point that was made by instructor is that since Las Vegas is high on terrorist target list they take no chances when it comes to people carrying guns as they do not want a Virginia Tech incident to occur there.

The LEO's have no way of knowing your intentions while OCing. Instructor also added that if the incident occurs during summmer time you may find yourself spread eagle on sidewalk in 110 degree heat.

OUCH AND DOUBLE OUCH! LEO will let you stay there awhile and if you get a burn from hot sidewalk that is their revenge as well!

Much better to get your Nevada ccw I would think!:rant:

While it's possible this law exists no one has ever had their firearm taken away and/or destroyed due to this infraction. Your instructor isn't very well educated and should be fired from law enforcement if he actually is a cop. OC will not cost you your CCW unless you did something illegal. OC in and of it self is not illegal. Stop spreading falsehoods like they are truth's. Everything you said is completely wrong.

[nomidlname]

OC is legal in Nevada but if you try it on the Las Vegas strip you will probably lose your gun! LEO who trained me told me that they do confiscate guns in Clark County and the judges usually declare them a public nuisance and order them destroyed!

I would not try OC on Las Vegas strip! There is no point to it and you are inviting trouble if you do. They may do it differently up in Reno area.

It's not very smart of you for believing and speading this FUD. There aren't any laws that prohibit you from OC'ing on the strip. Even if there were Pre-emption takes effect and voids them. All LEO's in Las Vegas know it.

[wrightme]

Your an idiot for believing and speading this crap. There aren't any laws that prohibit you from OC'ing on the strip. Even if there were Pre-emption takes effect and voids them. All LEO's in Las Vegas know it. duh.On this specific, I will disagree with you. SB-92 was supposed to be a full preemption, with the exception of the Clark County registration, which had to be specifically amended. Clark County LE and municipal bodies specifically deny that SB-92 caused preemption of other existing regulations.

This is still an ongoing struggle for residents of Clark County. While I personally believe that SB-92 should have provided for automatic repeal preemption of all local firearms regulations (with the exception of CC registration), I do NOT recommend that ANYONE believe that they are immune to those (preempted) regulations. A court case may prevail and uphold preemption of local ordinances, but no test case has been presented that I am aware of. And I DO keep tabs on such issues over on this side of the curtain.


Here is some background:


"Sec. 4. Section 5 of chapter 308, Statutes of Nevada 1989, at page 653, is hereby amended to read as follows:
Sec. 5. [The] 1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, the provisions of this act apply [only] to ordinances or regulations adopted on or after [the effective date of this act.] June 13, 1989. 2. The provisions of this act, as amended on October 1, 2007, apply to ordinances or regulations adopted before, on or after June 13, 1989."
I believe the AG opinion to be in error.

NOTE: Text in brackets and yellow is "strikethru" text removed from the 1989 statute by SB92.

SB92 (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Bills/SB/SB92_EN.pdf)

Here is a link to the specified Ch308 Statute of Nevada 1989 (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Docs/General/CH308StatsNV1989.pdf)

Here is a link to the original AB147 (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Docs/General/AB147_1989.pdf), the testimony concerning it, AND the opinion of Lorne J. Malkiewich, (State of Nevada Legislative Counsel Bureau) on the wording contained in AB147, and how that wording would affect local ordinances in existence (page 46-49, questions; page 50-55). The portion relevant in this instance is the AG response to question #8 on page 55 of the document. As it is a scanned in version, I will need to type the text in to provide it here. the Reader's Digest version is that AB147 makes void existing regulations, which is exactly the opposite of the view of the AG office now.

[Big Jake]

There are no laws prohibiting OC on Las Vegas strip! You are correct, however, there is a "Public Nuisance Law" in Clark County and that law is used to get around the state preemption law.

It appears that nomidlname is incapable of having a respectful exchange of views so instead of lowering myself to childish name calling I will simply choose not to post on this thread anymore even though I started the thread!

Good day gentleman!

[nomidlname]

It is not a violation, however, if caught drinking while ccw you will probably lose your ccw!

Wrong again. Two weekends ago the wife and I were returning from the shooting range after 4 hours of training. We decided to stop off at Bully's sportbar and grill to have lunch. I had on my right side a Springfiled XDm 40 and she had her 38 special airweight in her purse. I ordered lunch and a 16oz beer. She ordered lunch and a girly drink. We also had a large glass of ice water since the temps were 100+ that day. No issues. No troubles. Even if the cops had come there would have been nothing they could do about it.

NRS 202.257 Possession of firearm when under influence of alcohol, controlled substance or other intoxicating substance; administration of evidentiary test; penalty; forfeiture of firearm.
1. It is unlawful for a person who:

(a) Has a concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his blood or breath; or

(b) Is under the influence of any controlled substance, or is under the combined influence of intoxicating liquor and a controlled substance, or any person who inhales, ingests, applies or otherwise uses any chemical, poison or organic solvent, or any compound or combination of any of these, to a degree which renders him incapable of safely exercising actual physical control of a firearm,

Ê to have in his actual physical possession any firearm. This prohibition does not apply to the actual physical possession of a firearm by a person who was within his personal residence and had the firearm in his possession solely for self-defense.

2. Any evidentiary test to determine whether a person has violated the provisions of subsection 1 must be administered in the same manner as an evidentiary test that is administered pursuant to NRS 484.383 to 484.3947, inclusive, except that submission to the evidentiary test is required of any person who is directed by a police officer to submit to the test. If a person to be tested fails to submit to a required test as directed by a police officer, the officer may direct that reasonable force be used to the extent necessary to obtain the samples of blood from the person to be tested, if the officer has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be tested was in violation of this section.

3. Any person who violates the provisions of subsection 1 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

4. A firearm is subject to forfeiture pursuant to NRS 179.1156 to 179.119, inclusive, only if, during the violation of subsection 1, the firearm is brandished, aimed or otherwise handled by the person in a manner which endangered others.

5. As used in this section, the phrase “concentration of alcohol of 0.10 or more in his blood or breath” means 0.10 gram or more of alcohol per 100 milliliters of the blood of a person or per 210 liters of his breath.

(Added to NRS by 1995, 2533; A 1999, 2470; 2003, 2565)

[nomidlname]

There are no laws prohibiting OC on Las Vegas strip! You are correct, however, there is a "Public Nuisance Law" in Clark County and that law is used to get around the state preemption law.

It appears that nomidlname is incapable of having a respectful exchange of views so instead of lowering myself to childish name calling I will simply choose not to post on this thread anymore even though I started the thread!

Good day gentleman!

Big Jake, every single county and jusidiction has a public nuisance law. It is not used to "get around" the gun laws. Trust me on this when I say you are 100% wrong about this and your instructor is flat out lying.

[wrightme]

There are no laws prohibiting OC on Las Vegas strip! You are correct, however, there is a "Public Nuisance Law" in Clark County and that law is used to get around the state preemption law.

It appears that nomidlname is incapable of having a respectful exchange of views so instead of lowering myself to childish name calling I will simply choose not to post on this thread anymore even though I started the thread!

Good day gentleman!
Please present your link to this supposed "law" that is used to get around state preemption. Otherwise, simply cease spreading misinformation.
It appears you are incapable of backing up ANY of your false statements.

I, for one, am quite capable of engaging in respectful exchanges of views. I also do not suffer fools quietly. If this was simply about views, you are entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately, you choose to propagate false statements about non-existent laws, simply because you choose to believe what a cop told you.

[Liberty1]

there is a "Public Nuisance Law" in Clark County and that law is used to get aroud the state preemption law.

Please ask your deputy contact to cite that code and any public cases where it has been used. I just don't see Nevadians standing for that abuse of their State Constitutional Open Carry Rights.

Disorderly Conduct / Nuisance Laws around the country don't stand constitutional muster when pitted against Rights whether that is the 1st A. or State Right to Arms statutes (absent real "brandishing") and soon the 2nd A.

[Kestryll]

Your an idiot for believing and speading this crap.
All LEO's in Las Vegas know it. duh.
Wrong again. Wow, you spout crap galore don't ya?

Next time you feel like getting smartalecky and insulting someone, do it elsewhere or it will be the last post you make here.

Is this clear?

[dantodd]

Something I didn't realize, and you may not either. Jake's friend told me today that once you get a CCW, they frown on open carry. OC is, apparently, just for those who haven't got a CCW. Jake's friend told me that (like some - most? - California sheriffs) they will probably pull your CCW if you get caught OC'ing.

Is there a mechanism in NV law for a sheriff to revoke a ccw from someone who isn't a "prohibited person?"

[wrightme]

Is there a mechanism in NV law for a sheriff to revoke a ccw from someone who isn't a "prohibited person?"

That was already cited.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2906776&postcount=51
NRS 202.6357
3.

Here is a direct link to the relevant section of code: NRS-202Sec3653-3657 and more (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec3653)

[nomidlname]

Next time you feel like getting smartalecky and insulting someone, do it elsewhere or it will be the last post you make here.

Is this clear?

Yes, I have edited my response's.

[nomidlname]

On this specific, I will disagree with you. SB-92 was supposed to be a full preemption, with the exception of the Clark County registration, which had to be specifically amended. Clark County LE and municipal bodies specifically deny that SB-92 caused preemption of other existing regulations.

This is still an ongoing struggle for residents of Clark County. While I personally believe that SB-92 should have provided for automatic repeal preemption of all local firearms regulations (with the exception of CC registration), I do NOT recommend that ANYONE believe that they are immune to those (preempted) regulations. A court case may prevail and uphold preemption of local ordinances, but no test case has been presented that I am aware of. And I DO keep tabs on such issues over on this side of the curtain.


Here is some background:


"Sec. 4. Section 5 of chapter 308, Statutes of Nevada 1989, at page 653, is hereby amended to read as follows:
Sec. 5. [The] 1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, the provisions of this act apply [only] to ordinances or regulations adopted on or after [the effective date of this act.] June 13, 1989. 2. The provisions of this act, as amended on October 1, 2007, apply to ordinances or regulations adopted before, on or after June 13, 1989."
I believe the AG opinion to be in error.

NOTE: Text in brackets and yellow is "strikethru" text removed from the 1989 statute by SB92.

SB92 (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Bills/SB/SB92_EN.pdf)

Here is a link to the specified Ch308 Statute of Nevada 1989 (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Docs/General/CH308StatsNV1989.pdf)

Here is a link to the original AB147 (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Docs/General/AB147_1989.pdf), the testimony concerning it, AND the opinion of Lorne J. Malkiewich, (State of Nevada Legislative Counsel Bureau) on the wording contained in AB147, and how that wording would affect local ordinances in existence (page 46-49, questions; page 50-55). The portion relevant in this instance is the AG response to question #8 on page 55 of the document. As it is a scanned in version, I will need to type the text in to provide it here. the Reader's Digest version is that AB147 makes void existing regulations, which is exactly the opposite of the view of the AG office now.

While there was some confusion in the past on Las Vegas laws and what preemption affected most issues have been clarified. There are still some officers in North Las Vegas who push the line but most have been "educated". There is really only one aspect of the Las Vegas law that hasn't been challanged and that's the 10 day waiting period. Under the preemption it isn't lawful for the dealers to hold your weapon longer than it takes to do a background check. This hasn't been challanged and is still being practiced by all firearm merchants. Someday it will come up when some 105lb female goes to buy a gun and gets killed by her boyfriend 9 days later with a knife. But until then it appears the people who live in Clark county are not fighting this unlawful enforcement. At least I am unaware of any current or prevous challanges to this aspect of the law.

[Liberty1]

This is not the Strip but does deal with some of the NV laws discussed here:

...and appologies to Big Jake, his thread was highjacked (but he did do some of that steering).


rPU5E4dtD-A

[nomidlname]

This is not the Strip but does deal with some of the NV laws discussed here:

...and appologies to Big Jake, his thread was highjacked (but he did do some of that steering).


rPU5E4dtD-A

Exceptional post! Were you in the vid?

[Big Jake]

Apology accepted and the issue is a done deal as far as I an concerned! I have seen this video before and it is great, however, as Liberty1 said it is not the strip and while I understand Nevada's premption law there is a bit of ambiguity in Clark County.

it will probably need a court case to have a judge clarify the law. Until that time happens I have been advised by several people who live in Las Vegas that although OC is legal that the "Public Nusince Law" is used in Clark County to take away firearms that were OCed on the strip!

The legality of this is still an open question. That is what the courts are for.:iagree:

[nomidlname]

Apology excepted and the issue is a done deal as far as I an concerned! I have seen this video before and it is great, however, as Liberty1 said it is not the strip and while I understand Nevada's premption law there is a bit of ambiguity in Clark County.

it will probably need a court case to have a judge clarify the law. Until that time happens I have been advised by several people who live in Las Vegas that although OC is legal that the "Public Nusince Law" is used in Clark County to take away firearms that were OCed on the strip!

The legality of this is still an open question. That is what the courts are for.:iagree:

Big Jake, you have been seriously misinformed and you are spreading the misinformation. No guns have ever been confiscated under a public nuisance citation anywhere in the state of Nevada which includes North Las Vegas and "the strip". It is simply untrue. Not one single weapon has been destroyed under a public nusiance citation anywhere in the state of Nevada. It is simply untrue.

It will never need a court case or judge clarification since it has never happened. There is no question to law enforcement that confiscation under this citation is illegal and they would be held accountable under the laws of our state.

[Glock22Fan]

The thing that concerns me is that we have heard a lot of "information" that apparently Big Jake heard from a Clark County deputy who is authorized by the state of Nevada (and presumably has to have received appropriate training) to inform people like Big Jake and me.

I have personally heard information from other trainers that. although far less extreme, does fall somewhere in the same direction (low tolerance for alcohol, low tolerance for OC if you have a CCW, lose your CCW if you have to be evicted because you refuse to take your firearm outside).

It has also been perceived wisdom for years on this forum, with what background authority I am unaware, that LVMPD frowns on OC on the strip, at least.

Now we have some Nevada gunnies telling us we have it all wrong.

My question is: Why are we being fed, through official Nevada channels, information that residents say is FUD? Especially as we are paying for it! Do the trainers have some sort of unofficial understanding that we should be scared out of certain behavior? Are they telling us what they think the law whould be, rather than what it is? How do they get so well organized?

Maybe the residents need to challenge their own authorities and elected officials and say "Why are CCW applicants being taught this stuff" because, frankly, if trainers are teaching this stuff, and it is wrong, then it needs to be corrected.

We know on this board that LEOs don't always get it right, but these are LEO's (and others) who supposedly have been specially trained to get it right!

In the meantime, I am going to avoid trouble. I will consume alcohol well below the legal limit and I won't open carry in Nevada. Hopefully I will get my CCW soon and then it will be less of a problem.

[Big Jake]

Regardless of legality the practical realities of OC on the Las Vegas Strip are just inviting trouble! I have my Nevada ccw and will conceal when there. If you visit Nevada often it seems to me that it would be in your best interest to get your ccw and avoid trouble.

[Liberty1]

Exceptional post! Were you in the vid?

No.

[wrightme]

it will probably need a court case to have a judge clarify the law. Until that time happens I have been advised by several people who live in Las Vegas that although OC is legal that the "Public Nusince Law" is used in Clark County to take away firearms that were OCed on the strip!Once again, maybe you can get that CCW instructor/deputy to provide the actual statute he speaks of, AND several instances where this has actually happened. On OCDO, NO mention of this happening are showing up. Ever.

[Glock22Fan]

Once again, maybe you can get that CCW instructor/deputy to provide the actual statute he speaks of, AND several instances where this has actually happened. On OCDO, NO mention of this happening are showing up. Ever.

My point would be, if we, the uninformed, have to study the statutes and case law, then why the heck are we paying money to get trained? Why don't we just take the Nv bar exam instead?

[wrightme]

The thing that concerns me is that we have heard a lot of "information" that apparently Big Jake heard from a Clark County deputy who is authorized by the state of Nevada (and presumably has to have received appropriate training) to inform people like Big Jake and me.CCW instructors in NV, to the best of my knowledge, are not "trained" in specifics. They present their bona-fides (for instance, an NRA Pistol instructor cert), a course syllabus, and get a "pass" from the sheriff in the county where the instructor is hanging out their "shingle." YMMV, not all instructors are created equal, but they do have to present a curriculum that gets approved. It must reference NRS.

I have personally heard information from other trainers that. although far less extreme, does fall somewhere in the same direction (low tolerance for alcohol, low tolerance for OC if you have a CCW, lose your CCW if you have to be evicted because you refuse to take your firearm outside).I would opine that a CCW instructor is likely to "err on the side of caution" were any ambiguity is perceived in the statutes. For instance, instead of specifying that the legal limit for alcohol is .08 just like for DUI, they "preach" opinion to provide the mindset that "don't drink and carry" to their students. In other words, I see it as more about lawsuit prevention than about accurate instruction.

It has also been perceived wisdom for years on this forum, with what background authority I am unaware, that LVMPD frowns on OC on the strip, at least.This is not simple "perceived wisdom," but is reality. That does not equate to any of the hyperbole presented by that CCW instructor to Jake.

Now we have some Nevada gunnies telling us we have it all wrong.No, it is most likely as I have stated above. As you possibly experience in CA, a CCW instructor, especially one who is also an LE, is likely to overstate the actual to instill a more cautionary attitude in the students.

My question is: Why are we being fed, through official Nevada channels, information that residents say is FUD? Especially as we are paying for it! Do the trainers have some sort of unofficial understanding that we should be scared out of certain behavior? Are they telling us what they think the law whould be, rather than what it is? How do they get so well organized?What "official Nevada channels" have been feeding this information to you? I do not consider a Deputy Sheriff to be an "official Nevada channel." I defer to my CCW instructor of choice, who happens to be a very good DA locally. He knows the statute backwards and forwards, and presents it as it is written, along with "cautionary" mention of how it can be interpreted.

Maybe the residents need to challenge their own authorities and elected officials and say "Why are CCW applicants being taught this stuff" because, frankly, if trainers are teaching this stuff, and it is wrong, then it needs to be corrected.They/we are.

We know on this board that LEOs don't always get it right, but these are LEO's (and others) who supposedly have been specially trained to get it right!I think you give them a bit more credit than they sometimes deserve.

In the meantime, I am going to avoid trouble. I will consume alcohol well below the legal limit and I won't open carry in Nevada. Hopefully I will get my CCW soon and then it will be less of a problem.I heartily agree with you on the drinking point, but outside of Vegas, OC is not a worry in NV. Even in LV, it is not grounds for arrest as Jake seems to have been taught. Much on this specific topic has been discussed in great detail at OCDO.

But, the bottom line is that Jake was fed a bunch of complete hogwash in his CCW course. There is no real way to sugarcoat it.

[wrightme]

My point would be, if we, the uninformed, have to study the statutes and case law, then why the heck are we paying money to get trained? Why don't we just take the Nv bar exam instead?Good point. All CCW instructors and courses are NOT created equal. I CAN recommend one that WILL present accurate reference to statute, absent scare tactics.

http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Pages/CCW.php

The reality is that you are paying the money to jump through the hoop required for issuance of the permit. Consider that the elementary school course. The NRS is the best source of information.

[dantodd]

My point would be, if we, the uninformed, have to study the statutes and case law, then why the heck are we paying money to get trained? Why don't we just take the Nv bar exam instead?

I guess the answer is that you are paying some level of extortion for the privilege of CCW and that your education is up to you. Perhaps the state instructor sanctioning program drills this misinformation into the heads of the instructors.

But also realize that if there wasn't "some" issue with OC in Las Vegas there would be no need for an educational program. You can be sure that while it is legal to OC the spokesman was pretty clear that the LVPD would rather go ahead and enforce the preempted law as written.

My guess is that being seen by LVPD OCing in Las Vegas is probably treated about the same as CCWing on a Shasta county permit during an encounter with LAPD, he won't be happy and will let you know it but won't arrest you or cite you.

But as you said, it is simply FUD for a trainer to tell you that it is illegal to do this or that yo uwill ose your weapon or CCW or that the same will happen if you smell alcohol while carrying.

[Glock22Fan]

What "official Nevada channels" have been feeding this information to you? I do not consider a Deputy Sheriff to be an "official Nevada channel."

Sorry, but when that deputy has also been authorized by the Nevada government to present official CCW training to Nevada CCW applicant, he (or she) has become an official instrument of Nevada policy.

If it is just a question of presenting an NRA Instructor's certificate (which I have) and a syllabus, why do I, for one, have to take the course? As a once-upon-a-time University professor, I would have no problem cobbling together a syllabus.

Sounds as if your officials are more interested in the fees than in an educated CCW holder body.

[wrightme]

Sorry, but when that deputy has also been authorized by the Nevada government to present official CCW training to Nevada CCW applicant, he (or she) has become an official instrument of Nevada policy.

If it is just a question of presenting an NRA Instructor's certificate (which I have) and a syllabus, why do I, for one, have to take the course? As a once-upon-a-time University professor, I would have no problem cobbling together a syllabus.

Sounds as if your officials are more interested in the fees than in an educated CCW holder body.That is entirely possible. But, I actually believe that the "official channel" source in this case is NOT teaching the FUD from the syllabus, but from the choice to "scare" the students to achieve a goal of the official body.

NOTE: NEVER get legal advice from a cop. Even if he is a CCW instructor. There are PLENTY of actual good CCW instructors in Nevada. A cop should be the last choice for it. "Color of Law" comes to mind. It isn't a law just because a cop says it is a law.

[Big Jake]

Again, while it may be legal to OC on Las Vegas strip you are asking for trouble to do it in a high tourist area who's money is depended upon for the towns survival.

Legal or not you are going to attract LEO attention for doing it. wether or not you lose your gun will depend on other factors, but you will attract LEO attention for doing it!

[wrightme]

Then
OUCH! The loss of your firearm is the real cost of OC in Las Vegas! OC is well accepted in Reno/Carson area of state as it is more rural and less dependent on tourist dollars then is Las Vegas.

The authorities do not like scared tourists for obvious reasons. Bottom line here is OC in Las Vegas and you will almost surely lose your firearm and Nevada ccw if you have one!
Now
Again, while it may be legal to OC on Las Vegas strip you are asking fortrouble to do it in a high tourist area who's money is depended upon for the towns survival.

Legal or not you are going to attract LEO attention for doing it. wether or not you lose your gun will depend on other factors, but you will attract LEO attention for doing it!
You have a ways to go yet, but you are starting to think rationally about this.

[wrightme]

Sorry, but when that deputy has also been authorized by the Nevada government to present official CCW training to Nevada CCW applicant, he (or she) has become an official instrument of Nevada policy.It bears mentioning that the authorization to instruct CCW courses does not come from the Nevada government, but from the Sheriff in the County where the course is taught. To me, this places the CCW/Deputy at quite a conflict of interest position.

It also bears mentioning that ANY Nevada CCW instructor can teach the course, and the student does NOT have to apply for the permit in that county. So, a person can take the course for the Nevada permit in Washoe county and apply in Churchill or Clark county. Or vise-versa.

[nomidlname]

Writeme has pretty much nailed it all. One thing, check out the little girl with the revolver kick the crap out of the old guy with the semi-auto :) this is the medium res option http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/vid/SFA_Pins30JUN07/PMMED.wmv from the CCW instructor website Writeme posted about.

Edit to add...

Something else to think about. The old guy who emptied his mag and had to reload his semi-auto hand gun and STILL lost can legally conceal carry a gun. The little girl who outshot him cannot... where's the justice in that?

[nomidlname]

Again, while it may be legal to OC on Las Vegas strip you are asking for trouble to do it in a high tourist area who's money is depended upon for the towns survival.
Jake, when you lawfully OC you are not asking for trouble you are prepared for trouble. law enforcement should be on your side, the law abiding citizen. If they are not and act contrary to that public good then it's your job to challange him with his superiors after the encounter is over. FACTOID! Reno, Carson city, and the rest of the Northern Nevada area depend just as much on tourism dollars as Las Vegas does. That doesn't even enter into the equasion. It's why the entire state has zero payroll tax. So, I encourage you to come on up and spend your money whether your carrying concealed, open, or not packin at all! :) Remember, Brothels are legal here too! gives a whole new meaning to getting screwed two ways from sunday :) lose your money and your ...

Legal or not you are going to attract LEO attention for doing it. wether or not you lose your gun will depend on other factors, but you will attract LEO attention for doing it! Finally, something we can agree on. It is possible your going to have an encouter with law enforcement. Your contact can be either postive or negative depending on you and the LEO's you encounter. As an OCer you should be prepared with the laws and facts, be respectful, honest, and polite. You should not give up any of your rights at any time while doing the above things. You are also correct that losing your gun will depend on other factors. But if you do have your weapon confiscated it will have nothing what-so-ever to do with a nusinace citation. Your getting closer to the truth and I like it!

[Invisible_Dave]

At the risk of steering this thread back on-topic. Its been 15 days now since I turned in my paperwork, still no permit. :gene: The wonderful people at the Washoe County Sheriff said 60 days; I keep hoping for the best. :gunsmilie::whistling:

[Big Jake]

At the risk of steering this thread back on-topic. Its been 15 days now since I turned in my paperwork, still no permit. :gene: The wonderful people at the Washoe County Sheriff said 60 days; I keep hoping for the best. :gunsmilie::whistling:

I got my Nevada pemit exactly ten days after turning in paperwork at LVMPD. I have no clue as to why it was so fast but no complaints! I beleive the time to get your permit depends on how backlogged ccw unit is in a particular dept.

Good luck and congrats on your application. Be patient and it will be in your mailbox soon!:p

[EOD Guy]

I do not personaly know anyone this has happened to, however, the ccw instructor in Las Vegas that I went to for training is a Clark County Deputy Sheriff and he told us at the ccw training of this occuring!

I take him for his word as he is LEO!


There is the problem! Clark County doesn't have deputy sheriffs and there is no Sheriffs Department in Clark County. The Las Vegas Metropolitan police Department covers the City of Las Vegas and unincorporated Clark County, including the Strip which is not in the City of Las Vegas. There is a Clark County Sheriff and he is the head of the LVMPD.:)

[EOD Guy]

It bears mentioning that the authorization to instruct CCW courses does not come from the Nevada government, but from the Sheriff in the County where the course is taught. To me, this places the CCW/Deputy at quite a conflict of interest position.

It also bears mentioning that ANY Nevada CCW instructor can teach the course, and the student does NOT have to apply for the permit in that county. So, a person can take the course for the Nevada permit in Washoe county and apply in Churchill or Clark county. Or vise-versa.

I beleive that only applies to nonresidents. A Nevada resident must apply in the county in which they live.

[wrightme]

I beleive that only applies to nonresidents. A Nevada resident must apply in the county in which they live.Partially correct. As a Churchill resident, I do need to apply in the county in which I reside, iirc, but as far as I recall, I do NOT need to take a course in Churchill county.

CCW FAQ (http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/Pages/CCW_FAQ.php)

I am a Nevada resident. May I attend CCW training in a county other than my home county?
Yes. Sheriffs are to honor other sheriff’s CCW Instructor certifications. NRS 202.3657 states a sheriff shall issue a permit to any person who is qualified and who submits an application and who demonstrates competence by presenting a certificate to the sheriff which shows that he successfully completed a course in firearm safety approved by a sheriff in this State.

[packnrat]

It is call --CYA-- for a reason.

4x4,
bikes,
guns,
ext,
get put away BEFORE the booze comes out.
Then it is party time.

.

[Big Jake]

My undestanding is that a resident of Nevada must apply for ccw to the sheriff of their county of residence. Non-resident may apply to sheriff of any county.

As long as the trainer is Nevada certified and the training takes place in Nevada I beleive that the sheriff of any county will accept the training certificate regardless of which county the training took place in.

[nomidlname]

At the risk of steering this thread back on-topic. Its been 15 days now since I turned in my paperwork, still no permit. :gene: The wonderful people at the Washoe County Sheriff said 60 days; I keep hoping for the best. :gunsmilie::whistling:

It took my wife 45 days to recieve hers from Washoe county. In Washoe county the hold resides more in the FBI background check than with with the local municipality. It takes Washoe about 3 days to complete evrything they need to do and then they send their info to the FBI. The FBI does their background investigation and returns all the results back to Washoe County Sheriff. Washoe County will typically turn that info around into either a rejection or permit within 2 business days. It might take an extra day in the mail since your in Cali so total process time for local government is around 5 to 6 business days the rest is FBI, typically.

[wrightme]

My undestanding is that a resident of Nevada must apply for ccw to the sheriff of their county of residence. Non-resident may apply to sheriff of any county.

As long as the trainer is Nevada certified and the training takes place in Nevada I beleive that the sheriff of any county will accept the training certificate regardless of which county the training took place in.

That is exactly correct, just as I clarified.

[Liberty1]

My undestanding is that a resident of Nevada must apply for ccw to the sheriff of their county of residence. Non-resident may apply to sheriff of any county.

As long as the trainer is Nevada certified and the training takes place in Nevada I beleive that the sheriff of any county will accept the training certificate regardless of which county the training took place in.



That is exactly correct...

Never though I'd see you two agree. :D


Now if you can get him to visit your town for an open carry dinner you never know he may just let his hair down and have A (thats just one) beer with ya.

But don't let him have too much. I wouldn't want him attending an open carry rave his first night. ;)

VWvxtnFINwI

[Big Jake]

Can't we all just get along? LOL! :boxing_smiley:

[Big Jake]

Never though I'd see you two agree. :D


Now if you can get him to visit your town for an open carry dinner you never know he may just let his hair down and have A (thats just one) beer with ya.

But don't let him have too much. I wouldn't want him attending an open carry rave his first night. ;)

VWvxtnFINwI

Just what we need. A bunch of armed people on Exctasy (Rave Drug)!:eek:

[wrightme]

Never though I'd see you two agree. :D
I tend to agree with factual posts.

[wrightme]

There appears to be a new development that may help to cast much doubt upon the FUD presented in this thread:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum36/30420.html
Las Vegas Metro PD has just rolled out a new mandatory training program for all POST officers (both regular metro and corrections). The training must be completed by November 1 for commissioned employees below the rank of Deputy Chief. The training is an elective for all other employees (administrative, dispatch, etc).

The purpose of the training is to familiarize officers with Nevada law regarding the legality of open carry, and to clarify the department's policy on the proper response to citizens exercising their second amendment rights.

I've reviewed the training material and scenarios, and feel that it is a fair and balanced view of the law.

The training gives officers 3 "what-if" scenarios to review, and highlights what is and is not reasonable articulable suspicion to perform a Terry stop. At more than one point, the training stresses that the open carry of a gun - in and of itself - is NOT cause for anything other than a consensual encounter.

It makes the point that random "registration" checks are not allowed, and that any articulable suspicion must be based on the totality of the circumstances. If the firearm is all you have, you don't have anything.

The three scenarios are:

Man with a gun call on the strip at night. (There are other factors besides the gun. Gang dress/paraphernalia, potential under-age drinking, perhaps "known" to the officer to be a prior felon, etc.)

Man with a gun call, walking his dog - walks through a resident's back yard. (Gun alone is not RAS, but wearing a stocking cap in hot weather, may have trespassed on the caller's property, etc may provide RAS for issues other than the firearm.)

Group with guns on Fremont Street Experience. This is a nearly textbook example of an OCDO gathering. It describes a group of people from 35-60yo, open carrying, but not engaging in any other suspicious or potentially illegal behavior.

In all three scenarios, the training discusses what peripheral issues may or may not create RAS/PC for a detention, but it continues to stress that the presence of an openly-carried firearm is not RAS alone.

It makes mention of groups potentially "baiting" the officers to see how they will respond. It specifically deals with civil rights violations. It also makes the point that criminals do not normally carry weapons openly in a holster.

All in all, I thought it was fair, accurate (with some minor points under review), and should be a big help in educating local LE personnel.

I believe OCDO was directly and indirectly a part of the impetus for this training, and I'm proud to say that rather than escalated harassment as we've seen in other parts of the country - our local LE leaders have stepped up by providing fair and balanced training to the officers on the street.

Kudos to LVMPD!

P.S. The training specifically cites the US vs. Ubiles decision that possession of a firearm alone is not RAS. http://openjurist.org/224/f3d/213/united-states-of-america-v-kahli-ubiles

[bulgron]

I took my Nevada class and applied for the permit a week ago today. Washoe county told me 90 - 100 days at that time. We'll see how long it really takes.

[coyotek]

I took my Nevada class and applied for the permit a week ago today. Washoe county told me 90 - 100 days at that time. We'll see how long it really takes.

I'm just shy of 60 days right now and still waiting.

[Big Jake]

I am still shocked at how quickly my appliaction was processed. As I posted before. Ten days from turning in application at LVMPD to permit in my mailbox.

Assuming that it took two days for mail to get from Las Vegas to L.A area that means my permit was processed im eight days. WOW!

Why this happened so quickly I cannot say as I was told it could take up to ninty days. The ccw gods must have been smiling down upon me!

[high_lander]

I just got my Utah permit yesterday. I plan on going to LV to get my NV permit when time allows. I understand the reasons behind NV's move.

However, I think that the real reason is that NV wanted to get in on the action for permit dollars. How many Cali residents are applying for said permits? Cha-ching!!! Nothing to back it up , but it makes perfect sense.

[Big Jake]

When you do get to Las Vegas do your ccw training at www.thegunstoelasvegas.com

[Southwest Chuck]

When you do get to Las Vegas do your ccw training at www.thegunstoelasvegas.com

Fixed your link :D : http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/

[wrightme]

When you do get to Las Vegas do your ccw training at www.thegunstoelasvegas.com

That ain't the "dupe-uty," is it? :confused:

[vta]

When you do get to Las Vegas do your ccw training at www.thegunstorelasvegas.com

I was sad to find out that my utah permit no longer works in NV on 7/09. i guess i will be making a trip to The Gun Store Las Vegas soon!

[Kid Stanislaus]

I don't know what the big deal is in having an out of state CCW unless you spend a LOT of time in that state. Otherwise, its just something to wave about to impress your friends!

[artherd]

I don't know what the big deal is in having an out of state CCW unless you spend a LOT of time in that state. Otherwise, its just something to wave about to impress your friends!

For really interesting looks, use it as photo ID boarding aircraft...

[dantodd]

I don't know what the big deal is in having an out of state CCW unless you spend a LOT of time in that state. Otherwise, its just something to wave about to impress your friends!

Many are valid in multiple states. So if you spend a significant amount of time out of THIS state it can be put to good use. It is also a political statement, a form of expressive speech if you will.

[Python2]

For really interesting looks, use it as photo ID boarding aircraft...

Yeah right, then they will even look inside your tooth cavity for hidden weapon.:D

[Python2]

I don't know what the big deal is in having an out of state CCW unless you spend a LOT of time in that state. Otherwise, its just something to wave about to impress your friends!

Heh, better to have one than stopping along the way going to Cabelas or Scheels finding a safe place to disarm before crossing the border;)

[Glock22Fan]

I don't know what the big deal is in having an out of state CCW unless you spend a LOT of time in that state. Otherwise, its just something to wave about to impress your friends!

Depends what you mean by a LOT of time.

I travel on business from time to time. I often have no idea what kind of neighborhood I'm going to. My Utah permit allows me to carry in many of those neighborhoods. Don't always pack, but I have that option. Last year I carried in Nevada (they recognized Utah at that time), Arizona, Utah and Texas.

Now they don't recognize Utah, I'm going to get a Nevada permit. I drive through Nv several times a year going to Utah. I also have to go to Las Vegas on business some times. Last time I went, I unexpectedly found myself walking in North las Vegas well past midnight looking for a cab. Things were cool, but it would have been good to be packing (and the circumstances precluded OC.)

Haven't bothered with anything else, haven't been to Florida, Washington State, Oregon etc. for years.