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PinnedAndRecessed
06-02-2005, 7:52 PM
http://sacbee.com/state_wire/story/12994280p-13840904c.html


SACRAMENTO (AP) - Dueling proposals to identify handgun bullets to help police solve shootings were approved by state lawmakers Thursday, despite concerns the requirements are impractical or would harm law-abiding citizens.

Ammunition manufacturers would be required to laser-cut each bullet with a serial number under the Senate bill, while the Assembly version requires guns to stamp identification numbers on bullet casings each time they are fired.

"With a simple magnifying glass (police) can read that identifying number ... and determine who purchased that ammunition," said Sen. Joseph Dunn, D-Garden Grove, who is carrying the Senate version. "This is a tremendous benefit for law enforcement."
The Senate sent the measure to the Assembly on a 21-14 vote, while the Assembly proposal by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, passed 41-37 despite heavy opposition from gun groups. Both passed by one vote.

Ammunition manufacturers said that Dunn's bill will either force them to abandon the lucrative California market or force them to install unaffordable technology to mark the 8 billion bullets they make each year.

The bill would punish anyone possessing unmarked ammunition outside their home after July 2007, though Dunn said he is working with law enforcement to amend the bill so owners could use older bullets at firing ranges.

"A law abiding citizen has nothing to fear," said Sen. Jack Scott, D-Pasadena, comparing the markings to the use of fingerprints or DNA in crime solving.

Dunn's bill would require purchasers to pay up to a halfpenny per bullet to fund record-keeping by the state Department of Justice on every handgun-caliber bullet made or sold in California. Vendors would pay up to $50 a year to register. Rifle ammunition would be exempted, though some calibers are used in both handguns and long guns.

Opponents of Koretz's bill said criminals could file down the guns to remove the microstamping or use revolvers, which don't eject shell casings.

Assemblyman Todd Spitzer, R-Orange, said Koretz' bill would make it easier to frame someone by spreading cartridges around a crime scene that hadn't come from the shooter's gun.

"In some criminal prosecutions, the only evidence linking a defendant to that murder is shell casings, nothing more," Spitzer said.

Koretz said much of the opponents' arguments were "dead wrong," including the claim that someone would be able to file off the microstamping.

"This will work almost perfectly," Koretz said. "Every casing will have a number that's tied to a database."

s281c
06-02-2005, 8:19 PM
Sigh...............only in the PRK...... http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

1919_4_ME
06-02-2005, 8:24 PM
Thats a peice of **** waste of time bill!
Most of us are going to be destroyed in the pockets books now since we will not be able to buy surplus after 07! http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

amd64
06-02-2005, 8:56 PM
.preaching to choir on
I'm sure everyone who would commit gun-crimes in CA will rush out and buy serialized bullets/casings and use them in crimes... CA has some amazing lawmakers... if this becomes law, it'll be another feather in the dunce cap for their next campaign.

Just another antigunners' ploy, masquerading as crime control... with real intent being to tax and har***** ammunition manufacturers, retailers, and law abiding gun owners.

Other states should really take notice of this cause CA is the breeding ground for this cancer (e.g. CA AW Ban -> 1994 Crime Bill). What's next, banning cartridges used by "military" weapons?
.preaching to choir off

icormba
06-02-2005, 9:13 PM
"The bill would punish anyone possessing unmarked ammunition outside their home after July 2007, though Dunn said he is working with law enforcement to amend the bill so owners could use older bullets at firing ranges."

so... as long as I keep it all inside my home, I'm ok? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also, technically I don't "use bullets" ... I use cartridges. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If I get pulled over... are the cops going to be carrying bullet pullers & a microscope? http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif

trempel_ry@yahoo.com
06-02-2005, 9:17 PM
This passes - I'm moving.

RRangel
06-02-2005, 9:26 PM
Everyone needs to take action if they haven't already. Folks let your reps hear from you. Make sure the governor knows we're hot about these bills.

bg
06-02-2005, 10:33 PM
Contacting is key to getting this crap defeated.

dwtt
06-02-2005, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Admin:
Everyone needs to take action if they haven't already. Folks let your reps hear from you. Make sure the governor knows we're hot about these bills.
I've already wrote to both my ASsembly and senate reps. Maybe now it's time to bug Ahrnold?

Ducati748r
06-02-2005, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Trempel:
This passes - I'm moving.

Dude..take me with you. Any place has gotta be better than here. http://www.calguns.net/banghead.gif