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fred1814
02-25-2005, 4:46 PM
i just applied for a c&r and i was just wondering what guns or rifles do people want or have received that are classified as a c&r firearm

also what are your experience with shipping or sellers

thanks

fred1814
02-25-2005, 4:46 PM
i just applied for a c&r and i was just wondering what guns or rifles do people want or have received that are classified as a c&r firearm

also what are your experience with shipping or sellers

thanks

TonyNorCal
02-25-2005, 7:16 PM
Freddie,

In CA that basically means most rifles over 50 years old. Handguns still must go through an FFL 1 (unless you physically go out of state to get it, in which case you have to register it upon returning).
Go check out this website: www.gunboards.com (http://www.gunboards.com) and check out their forums and sponsors on the front page.
It's dedicated to collectors of military surplus guns. Lots of terrific information and good people. I bought that Russian SKS I sold you from someone there. The also have a list of sponsors from whom you'll be able to order guns.
Here's just some of what you can get...Mosin Nagants (there are many flavors...91/30a, m44s, m38s, Finnish variants). You can get 1,000 rounds of 7.62x54r ammo for under $100. Wide variety of 8mm Mauser rifles (again, ammo is cheap). Swiss K-31s (very nicely made and accurate...ammo is more, but you can get into reloading and save money). There are also French and Japanese rifle (which I don't know much about). SKSs if you can find one that's old enough...most of the current Yugos for sale are not yet at that 50 year mark. US Military surplus (Garands, 1903 Sprinfields, M1 Carbines) tends to be more pricey, but they're nice, well-made guns. If you're interested in an M1 check out http://www.odcmp.com/ which is an outlet through which you can purchase a surplus Garand. I would definetly start with that gunboards website I posted above...read what people have to say, ask questions. I'd also recommend buying some of the less expensive military surplus rifles (K-31s especially) as they're a bargain now and will likely only increase in value. I'd also order a like new Yugo SKS or 2, even if I don't shoot them, just because they should be worth more than the $100-150 they now sell for now in 5 years.
I remember going to a gun store once and walking past a crate of new Norinco SKSs they were selling for 70 or 80 dollars each. I was dumb then (barely old enough to buy a gun) and just assumed anything that cheap had to be crap. Well, if only I'd known...I'd have bought as many as I could.

JH2
02-26-2005, 3:57 PM
If you really want to start collecting C&R stuff, I would recommend getting a CA COE also. Most reputable dealers will cash and carry with both C&R and COE(Turners will not!). Plus you are not bound by the one a month pistol law. The COE will pay for itself if you travel the state much.

As for C&R items, Mosins are a great deal. Plus they are a blast to shoot. The Enfields are a good buy also. Just stay away from the Indian or Pakastani ammo. Lately I have been on a pistol binge. Old Colts, odd Spanish pistols and FN/ Browning stuff. You just have to look.

Jim

PJA
02-26-2005, 4:12 PM
Have used my C & R to purchase the following:
Winchester Model 53 in 25-20 (by mail)
Martini Model 12 in 22 Hornet (by mail)
CZ52 in 7.62x25 (bought in Texas and
brought home)
I also have it on file at Midway and get dealer pricing. This alone is worth the "price of admission".
Pete

fred1814
02-26-2005, 6:16 PM
JH what is a CA COE and how can i get one


thanks

JH2
02-27-2005, 1:32 AM
CA COE- California Certificate of Eligibility.

Basically the DOJ does a backround and fingerprint check. I found a link at the DOJ website: http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/coeapp.pdf .

fred1814
02-27-2005, 8:09 AM
CA COE

what can you get with it and what is it good for

Glock21Owner
02-27-2005, 3:24 PM
The Certificate of Eligibility is required to have by Cal DOJ in order to get your C&R.

whatever
02-27-2005, 3:53 PM
Not really. You can get your C&R and not get a COE. The COE just makes it easier to buy C&R firearms within the state.

jmlivingston
02-28-2005, 6:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glock21Owner:
The Certificate of Eligibility is required to have by Cal DOJ in order to get your C&R. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umn.... no, that is not correct. The C&R is a Federal license with the only Federally-required local component being to notify the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the area you live in. The COE is a state-issued certificate that does provide additional benefits to the holder, including some specific to Federally licensed C&R collectors.

This is at least the second time this erronious information has come up here this year. Would you mind telling us where you heard this? We should correct it at the source.

John

timmy8151
02-28-2005, 1:23 PM
A COE isn't required for a C&R in CA. I have a C&R FFL, but never got a COE

jmlivingston
02-28-2005, 3:31 PM
As did I.

John

jnojr
02-28-2005, 4:38 PM
Places to use your C&R...

http://shooting.forsandiego.com/candrdealers.html

It sucks to get all those catalogs, mostly full of stuff we can't buy here, though http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Glock21Owner
02-28-2005, 5:41 PM
Interesting. When I was seeking a C&R, DOJ told me over the phone I needed one. So, I got one and then obtained my C&R.

jmlivingston
02-28-2005, 8:22 PM
Leave it to the CA DoJ to screw it up....

wheelgunner
03-07-2005, 4:23 PM
K31, M39.

Discounts at Brownells, Midway, and some ammo distributors.

PKAY
03-09-2005, 9:09 AM
COE and 03 FFL eliminates the 10 day wait for C&R handguns requiring DROS through a 01 FFL.

imported_EOD Guy
03-10-2005, 5:54 AM
Here is an explination of the California C&R regulations. The references are to the applicable sections of the California Penal Code.

There is a lot of confusion around concerning the California regulations on C&R Firearms. The first thing to remember is that California, with few exceptions, requires all firearms transfers within the state to be processed through a dealer. There is no exception for C&R FFL holders. There is however, an exception to the dealer transfer requirement for C&R rifles and shotguns that are over 50 years old. [PC 12078(t)(2)] This exception is available to anyone legally able to possess firearms. California doesn’t care if you are licensed or not, that’s a Federal matter. The 50 year rifle and shotgun exception is the reason that C&R FFL holders in California can receive these types of firearms directly from an out of state supplier.

The California definition for a C&R firearm is exactly the same as that used by BATF in 27CFR. California references both Title 18 and 27 CFR for the definition. If the Feds say a firearm is C&R, so does the California DOJ.

There are a couple of exceptions to the firearms laws that are available to C&R FFL holders. If the licensee also holds a Certificate of Eligibility (COE) from the California DOJ, they are exempt from the 10-day waiting period when buying C&R firearms from a dealer. [PC 12078(t)(1)] The same C&R FFL holder with a COE is also exempt from the one handgun a month law for both C&R and modern handguns. [PC 12072(a)(9)(B)] You also would not need a handgun safety certificate when purchasing C&R handguns. [PC 12807(a)(6)]


Where the C&R FFL comes in handy is when the holder is out of the state. They may purchase any C&R firearm and bring it back to California. The exceptions of course include those “evil” “assault weapons” and magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds cannot be brought back. Any C&R handguns purchased must be registered with the California DOJ within 5 days and are reported on Form BCIA 4100A along with a $19.00 payment for each handgun. [PC 12072(f)(3)]

jmlivingston
03-10-2005, 6:02 AM
That's a great summary! Maybe this can be posted into a single message that can by stickied somewhere so we have it as a reference.

John

fred1814
03-10-2005, 3:10 PM
how can i apply for a COE

thanks

icormba
03-12-2005, 2:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freddie:
i just applied for a c&r and i was just wondering what guns or rifles do people want or have received that are classified as a c&r firearm

also what are your experience with shipping or sellers

thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just picked my "new" IBM M1 Carbine up from the post office today! Can't wait to get off work and open that box up! it's my 1st C&R with my new license.

Shipping was great, for the USPS & they didn't give the me the "evil california" eye either http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Got it off of gunbroker & so far the seller has been great. I'll know for sure when I open up the box.

I also sent my C&R to Century Int. & so far I've had to email them 3 times to see if I had access to their "dealer's" page yet. That took about 2-3 weeks after I sent my C&R through Priority Mail. Josh E. was a nice guy through email though.

imported_Telpierion
03-15-2005, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">how can i apply for a COE </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

COE application (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/coeapp.pdf)

imported_Telpierion
03-15-2005, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Interesting. When I was seeking a C&R, DOJ told me over the phone I needed one. So, I got one and then obtained my C&R. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be wary of telephone inquiries with both CA DOJ and ATF. They may just be telling you what they think the rule is. Ask for the specific section of the penal code or for them to follow up with your inquiry in writing.