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kegs
08-01-2009, 1:53 PM
Love my friend's S&W 5" scandium, and have decided that I want to go with a 1911 as my second handgun (own a Walther P99 .40 QA which is nice, but I just never really got into the QA trigger).

Use? range, and I'd like to get into some IDPA events. Unfortunately the local range here doesn't have the greatest rental guns (not sure many places do), so I haven't had a chance to shoot anything other than the aforementioned S&W, and my brother-in-law's Les Baer.

I'd like the latter obviously, but I want to keep my budget to 3-figures. Have been looking at the Kimbers, and that seems to be a good route given my budget.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions? Much appreciated.

B Strong
08-01-2009, 2:12 PM
Love my friend's S&W 5" scandium, and have decided that I want to go with a 1911 as my second handgun (own a Walther P99 .40 QA which is nice, but I just never really got into the QA trigger).

Use? range, and I'd like to get into some IDPA events. Unfortunately the local range here doesn't have the greatest rental guns (not sure many places do), so I haven't had a chance to shoot anything other than the aforementioned S&W, and my brother-in-law's Les Baer.

I'd like the latter obviously, but I want to keep my budget to 3-figures. Have been looking at the Kimbers, and that seems to be a good route given my budget.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions? Much appreciated.

A good (gently) used Kimber or Springfield will come in under your price point, maybe a new model depending on availability.

As much as I like Kimbers, I have three, only two run 100%. The third is a dog, it's been "repaired" by them and still doesn't run 100%.

Springfield might be your best bet, or if you just want to get your feet wet on the cheap with the 1911 type pistol you could get a new RIA or Armscor.

kegs
08-01-2009, 2:15 PM
Thanks for the tips. What are you thoughts in Sig's 1911 lineup?

B Strong
08-01-2009, 2:35 PM
Thanks for the tips. What are you thoughts in Sig's 1911 lineup?

No expereince other than handling, it looks like a quality firearm, but the proof is in the testing.

I've got untold thousands of rounds through Colt's, Springfields and Kimbers (the ones that run) and custom 1911's - I havent gotten around to Smith, Sig or the current crop of imported 1911 types.

M47_Dragon
08-01-2009, 3:21 PM
Try as many as you can within your budget before you decide. Keep that S&W in mind, though. They are great 1911s, IMO.

HCz
08-01-2009, 3:30 PM
From top of my head, I'd recommend

RIA - great for the budget
Springfield Loaded - has all the features you can use
S&W 1911 - performs well

But as Dragon said, try as many as possible before you buy.

SNEAKS
08-01-2009, 3:31 PM
I own a Sig GSR and have had no problems with it. It has alot of nice features that higher end 1911s have but at a reasonable price. There are many who dont trust the Sig 1911s due to the first bunch being a bad batch. I also own 4 Springfield 1911s and love them. They all have been very reliable and Springfields customer service is one of the best in the industry hand down. I have heard way to many horror stories of Kimbers customer service to ever give them any of my business. I would look into getting a Springfield Loaded model. You can find some good deals on new ones here and there and well kept used ones in the $800-$900 range.

kegs
08-01-2009, 3:53 PM
Thanks - I'm seeing some new Springfield Loaded models going for under $900 online, I may want to check those out (even though some seller on gunbroker listed it as not being a CA legal piece. No idea how he figured that).

08duramax
08-01-2009, 4:00 PM
some on gunboker are either too stupid or too lazy to figure out CA laws so they dont even try.

Axewound
08-01-2009, 4:04 PM
maybe take a drive to iron sights in oceanside, they have some other 1911s there to taste.

kegs
08-01-2009, 4:19 PM
maybe take a drive to iron sights in oceanside, they have some other 1911s there to taste.

Thanks for the tip - definitely worth a few bucks in gas before spending almost $1k.

nobb
08-01-2009, 4:23 PM
taurus offers a nice 1911 for a decent price. be careful with the "loaded" model springfield. i've owned two, both had to be sent back to springfield to have work done, because of feeding issues. my second one is there now being tuned. i recently bought a smith 1911 fit and finish is good, trigger is ugly but that's an easy fix. if at all possible, save some money and go with a custom shop springfield, wilson, or baer. even springfields trp series guns are geat. they run about 1500 but you won't have any problems with them.

The SoCal Gunner
08-01-2009, 4:48 PM
Dan Wesson is what I would go with for under a grand.

sholling
08-01-2009, 4:54 PM
I own Kimbers, a Springfield Armory and a Smith. My recommendation for what you want to use it for is to go with a Smith & Wesson with adjustable sights (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/11748). In general the fit and finish will be better than either the Springer or a Kimber. The Trigger will usually be better than the Springer, and the unlike Kimber it has a lifetime warranty. Or save a bit longer for something truly special - a hand built PC1911 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/11750).

7x57
08-01-2009, 5:05 PM
I have heard way to many horror stories of Kimbers customer service to ever give them any of my business.

unlike Kimber it has a lifetime warranty.

I don't know about the horror stories, but I cold-called Kimber about my pistol, said up front I bought it used (and in any case it was far out of warranty), and just asked for some information before I had a local gunsmith work on it. They told me to send it back and gave me warranty service for brand new sights anyway.

7x57

7x57
08-01-2009, 5:08 PM
...if you just want to get your feet wet on the cheap with the 1911 type pistol you could get a new RIA or Armscor.

Para is advertising their "GI Expert" (hate the name) 1911 for $600 or so in Shotgun News. Anyone have any experience with them? Might be a better deal than RIA, I don't know.

7x57

sholling
08-01-2009, 5:12 PM
I don't know about the horror stories, but I cold-called Kimber about my pistol, said up front I bought it used (and in any case it was far out of warranty), and just asked for some information before I had a local gunsmith work on it. They told me to send it back and gave me warranty service for brand new sights anyway.

7x57The difference is relying on the whims of whoever is in charge of customer service right now to honor an expired warranty, and relying on a written lifetime warranty. Kimber has been taking a heck of a beating on forums for the last year and I'm sure they are trying to improve their image.

kegs
08-01-2009, 5:32 PM
Great advice guys, I appreciate it. It would be nice to be able to jump to the $1500 price point, but I'd rather used the saved money on ammo and an intermediate tactical shooting course. Keep in mind I'm coming from a plain ol' Walther which isn't that fancy - although it has been 100% reliable, save for the baseplates falling out of 2 mags!

08duramax
08-01-2009, 5:47 PM
my first 1911 was springfield armory TRP in stainless steel. love the gun. feels great and shoots awesome. save money and buy a better 1911. you wont regret it. it will be more expensive in the end when you buy the cheaper one then end up buying the more expensive one later.

qbi2001
08-01-2009, 6:11 PM
I own kimber and s&w, I prefer the smith. I always bring both to the range but I always end up shooting the s&w the majority of the time. Find what works for you just my two cents

Rekrab
08-01-2009, 6:28 PM
OC indoor Range has a GI, Mil Spec and Loaded for rent. They also have a Kimber a colt and a S&W. So that could give you some time with other 1911s.

I wanted a low-cost one that I wouldn't be too upset if I royally screwed something up while tinkering so I bought a Rock Island Tactical. I actually like it better than the Springfield Loaded, but not everyone would agree.

Z ME FLY
08-01-2009, 6:43 PM
kegs, how much do you want to spend? you said not $1500 so what is a good price range for you? $500? $600? $700-800+?

kegs
08-01-2009, 7:24 PM
OC indoor Range has a GI, Mil Spec and Loaded for rent. They also have a Kimber a colt and a S&W. So that could give you some time with other 1911s.

I wanted a low-cost one that I wouldn't be too upset if I royally screwed something up while tinkering so I bought a Rock Island Tactical. I actually like it better than the Springfield Loaded, but not everyone would agree.

Is that the range in HB, or somewhere else?

kegs
08-01-2009, 7:25 PM
kegs, how much do you want to spend? you said not $1500 so what is a good price range for you? $500? $600? $700-800+?

Ideally under $1k, although I've been known to blow my budget now and then (and with firearms, I blow my budgets, lol).

Rekrab
08-01-2009, 7:35 PM
Is that the range in HB, or somewhere else?

It's in Brea. www.ocindoorrange.com

Very nice people up there. I pass up Evan's just to go where people are nice and knowledgeable.

Z ME FLY
08-01-2009, 7:44 PM
Ideally under $1k, although I've been known to blow my budget now and then (and with firearms, I blow my budgets, lol).

Damn you have a lot of options now. At least we all know you are looking at around $1K. I hear great things about the springfield loaded

Rekrab
08-01-2009, 7:46 PM
Damn you have a lot of options now. At least we all know you are looking at around $1K. I hear great things about the springfield loaded

Personally I hate the grip safety that comes on those. It really hurt my hand after 50 rounds. But, different folks, different strokes.

nobb
08-04-2009, 7:58 PM
I've owned two loaded models, both had to be sent back to springfield to be worked on. The second is there now, having about a grand worth of work done to it. In the words of someone, can't remember who, buy cheap, buy twice.

wildhawker
08-04-2009, 8:01 PM
Dan Wesson is what I would go with for under a grand.

Talk about the sleeper of 1911 world right now. Tell me you can find the value of a PM7 in a Kimber or Springfield at </=$1k.

aplinker
08-04-2009, 8:30 PM
Talk about the sleeper of 1911 world right now. Tell me you can find the value of a PM7 in a Kimber or Springfield at </=$1k.

+1... the DW is the best value. Top-notch parts and internals. Only thing I don't like is the sights - I like fixed.

M47_Dragon
08-04-2009, 8:31 PM
Talk about the sleeper of 1911 world right now. Tell me you can find the value of a PM7 in a Kimber or Springfield at </=$1k.

I've heard great things about the Dan Wesson 1911s as well. I sure wish the Valor was on the CA list. That is one damn pretty pistol.

ejc999
08-04-2009, 8:53 PM
Any vote for Colt? I bought a Colt National Match about 9 years ago. Shot it few times and it went very well. When people talking about 1911, I always feel like 1911 = Colt. I heard people saying their quality is not as good as before. Is this true? I also have a Colt 1911 and Ithaca 1911A1, but the new Colt still looks very nice.

kegs
08-05-2009, 6:16 AM
I've heard great things about the Dan Wesson 1911s as well. I sure wish the Valor was on the CA list. That is one damn pretty pistol.

How is it not CA legal?

M47_Dragon
08-05-2009, 7:12 AM
How is it not CA legal?

Not necessarily a question of whether it's legal or not, it's just not on the list - which could mean that it just wasn't submitted by CZ/Dan Wesson.

GB0
08-05-2009, 8:12 AM
I'd vote for a Dan Wesson PM7 or CBOB also. They are tough to find though. They are also over $1K now, unfortunately.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-commander-classic-bobtail/

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-pointman-seven/

I'm still glad I took the advice of others here and went with the PM7:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/GreenBar0n/P1200005.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/GreenBar0n/P1200007.jpg

double_action
08-05-2009, 8:17 AM
For the price, (I found mine for $850 :p) you can't beat Dan Wesson for what you get.

Here's the obligatory p0rn . . .


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g276/double_ation/CBOB_2.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g276/double_ation/CBOB.jpg

bombadillo
08-05-2009, 8:24 AM
Another dan wesson for the money. You can find them on gunbroker from time to time hardly used under 900 if you look.

ldivinag
08-05-2009, 3:13 PM
Thanks for the tips. What are you thoughts in Sig's 1911 lineup?

psssst...

want a single stack sig .45?

check out the P220...

GB0
08-06-2009, 1:02 PM
Buds has Dan Wesson CBOB's in .45, won't last long:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/17999

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/17999.jpg

Sam
08-06-2009, 1:16 PM
I've looked at Dan Wessons in person and I respect their quality, but do the rear cocking serrations look a little off to anyone else? They seem to not go as far back as other 1911s.

Black Majik
08-06-2009, 1:24 PM
I've looked at Dan Wessons in person and I respect their quality, but do the rear cocking serrations look a little off to anyone else? They seem to not go as far back as other 1911s.

I never noticed it before, but now it's going to bug me! I see what you mean on the PM7 posted above. Wow..

Sam
08-06-2009, 2:57 PM
I never noticed it before, but now it's going to bug me! I see what you mean on the PM7 posted above. Wow..

haha, sorry about that. Seems to throw off the entire look, I'd say it's almost as hideous as FCS.

kegs
08-06-2009, 3:07 PM
Buds has Dan Wesson CBOB's in .45, won't last long:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/17999

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/17999.jpg

Great deal, but I did have my sights set on a 5" barrel unfortunately.

kegs
08-06-2009, 3:11 PM
Saw the Heritage, but doesn't look like it's on the CA-approved list.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/58055

Or is it considered part of the "PM7-S / Stainless Steel" family?

GB0
08-06-2009, 3:53 PM
haha, sorry about that. Seems to throw off the entire look, I'd say it's almost as hideous as FCS.

The bullets shoot crooked as a result:).




Kegs, only the PM7 and CBOB are on the list.

kegs
08-06-2009, 3:55 PM
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

PS, this forum is addicting :)

Sam
08-06-2009, 7:05 PM
The bullets shoot crooked as a result:).




Kegs, only the PM7 and CBOB are on the list.

I shoot crooked in the first place, does this mean I can actually hit what I aim at?

kegs
08-09-2009, 7:57 AM
Trying to find the PM7 .45 now, I think that's going to be the route for me. Saw a couple on GB, but I think the prices are a smidge high.

GB0
08-10-2009, 7:14 AM
There is a DW PM7 for sale here on CalGuns, at a decent price compared to Gun Broker. The seller didn't post a pic of the PM7, but judging from his other collection for sale in his thread, he's got good stuff and takes care of it.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=203961&highlight=Dan+Wesson+Pointman+7

kegs
08-13-2009, 4:26 PM
So I know that the CBOB Stainless .45 and the PM7 .45 Stainless are the two DW's that are currently approved by the CA DOJ. What's up with the "Dan Wesson Pointman Marksman .45 Stainless"? Is that an acceptable variant? Just curious.

GB0
08-14-2009, 3:37 PM
Unfortunately, in California, the only thing we can get is the CBOB and PM7 in .45, this includes no Valor, CCO, Heritage, Marksman or even a PM7 in any caliber besides .45; and DW has 9-10mm and .40 in the Pointman series.

Even the Two-Tone PM7 in .45, or the Desert Tan PM7 in .45, aren't available here either, as they are not on the roster because they are not stainless steel in appearance. I have never understood how a different color or finish, of the same identical rostered handgun, would make it less safe.:confused: