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Nessal
08-01-2009, 1:21 PM
Is there a Glock 19 chambered in .45ACP? I've recently shot the glock 19 and the grip was perfect for my hands. However, I want it in .45ACP. Do they make a glock with the exact same grip profile as the 19 but chambered in .45ACP?

kermit315
08-01-2009, 1:23 PM
I think its a Glock 21, but one of the Glock lovers will be along shortly and will probably steer you in the right direction.

dskell
08-01-2009, 1:26 PM
No.

The closest you'll get is the Glock 38 in .45 GAP.

Meety Peety
08-01-2009, 1:28 PM
Glock 21 is the same as the 17 in size, I think you would actually have to go with the 23 in .40 or 38 in .45 GAP to get the size of a 19.

kermit315
08-01-2009, 1:30 PM
I didnt realize there was a difference in the grip characteristics between the full size and medium size frames. I thought it was merely a little bit shorter.

jkchan83
08-01-2009, 1:31 PM
No.

The closest you'll get is the Glock 38 in .45 GAP.

To expand on his answer, the Glocks in .45 ACP are wider in the grips than the 9mm models, like the G19. Also, Glock does not make a "compact" .45 ACP, but only a full-size G21 (akin to G17) and the sub-compact G30 (akin to G26).

From the Glock website:

The G19 has a width of 30mm.
The G21 (.45 ACP) has a width of 32.5mm.
The G38 (.45 GAP) has a width of 30mm.

leitung
08-01-2009, 1:40 PM
Yeah the G38 is as close as you wil get. Even then it's in .45GAP and not ACP.

GAP is a weak round IMHO.

rrr70
08-01-2009, 1:46 PM
To expand on his answer, the Glocks in .45 ACP are wider in the grips than the 9mm models, like the G19. Also, Glock does not make a "compact" .45 ACP, but only a full-size G21 (akin to G17) and the sub-compact G30 (akin to G26).



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:confused:


G21 - full size
G30 - compact
G36 - sub-compact width 28.5mm

Greg-Dawg
08-01-2009, 1:55 PM
:confused:


G21 - full size
G30 - SUB-compact
G36 - sub-compact width 28.5mm

G36 - sub-compact....Slim Line.

Z ME FLY
08-01-2009, 1:55 PM
:confused:


G21 - full size
G30 - compact
G36 - sub-compact width 28.5mm


G30 is roughly the same size as the G29 which is a subcompact. G36 I guess is a super subcompact? The G36 is single stack 6 rounds so that would make the grip thinner than the G30 which you noted. Also the G30 holds 10 rounds? I believe I can be wrong since I am just assuming based on a G29.

rrr70
08-01-2009, 1:59 PM
G30 is roughly the same size as the G29 which is a subcompact. G36 I guess is a super subcompact? The G36 is single stack 6 rounds so that would make the grip thinner than the G30 which you noted. Also the G30 holds 10 rounds? I believe I can be wrong since I am just assuming based on a G29.

G30 it 10+1 but can use G21 13rn magz (in the free states)

rkt88edmo
08-01-2009, 2:03 PM
Glock 30SF might be closer, haven't handled it side by side with a 19. nothing will be exactly like a 19 except for the 23 and the .357 sig on the same frame.

Glock21sfsd
08-01-2009, 2:07 PM
I have a G21SF and have small hands I love it. I dont know how it compares to other glocks but it feels good in my hands.

Meety Peety
08-01-2009, 2:11 PM
Look guys, the G30 is a standard subcompact, the G36 is slightly thinner in the grip, same everywhere else - still a subcompact. As stated before, the G38 in .45GAP is really the closest option, second would be the G23 which is .40 S&W.

Rudolf the Red
08-01-2009, 2:51 PM
GAP is a weak round IMHO.

Well, .45GAP out performs .45ACP in 185 and 200 grain loads and equals it with 230 grain loads. All in a smaller package with the same capacity. Plus, the ammo is readily available right now. I can get a case of 1000 Speer GDHP for $372.

You are wrong, IMHO.

stix213
08-01-2009, 2:58 PM
The G30 side by side with a G19 looks similar in size, yes not exact, but the G30 is closer to the G19 than to the subcompact G26. There are some youtube vids that demonstrate this. I'd at least check out the G30 still.

I've heard good things about the .45GAP (haven't shot it myself) but good luck finding that ammo without planning a week ahead of time.

Timberland
08-01-2009, 3:19 PM
The 30 is nearly the same in size, but a bit thicker than the g19. But the 19 is a pretty small gun. The glock 19 and 30 have to have the best size to capasity ratio of any gun.

B Strong
08-01-2009, 3:47 PM
G30 it 10+1 but can use G21 13rn magz (in the free states)

You can use the high caps here too, just as long as you owned them prior to 2000.

The GAP goes in the smaller 9mm/.40 size frame.

The answer to the op is the G38 - medium frame, .45 GAP.

APNF128
08-01-2009, 3:58 PM
You want the Glock-36.

BHPFan
08-01-2009, 5:40 PM
They may not be exactly the same size, but the closest in size to a G19 in a .45 ACP are the G36 or G30SF or G30. From these 3, I take the G30SF - Slightly slimmer than the G30 and holds more rounds than the G36.

Gryff
08-01-2009, 6:09 PM
GAP is a weak round IMHO.

That makes no sense. They have basically the same ballistics.

eric1972
08-01-2009, 6:51 PM
I wouldn't call the G36 a subcompact -- it's dimensionally closer to the G19 than the G26.

I think with the G30SF out now, that's the better choice vs. the G36 (which I have and love) since you get 10 rounds in the G30SF, and only 6 in the G36 -- and with the SF option the grip is thinner getting you closer to the Slimline of the G36 while getting 10 rounds in the magazine. My two cents.

TonyM
08-01-2009, 8:38 PM
I pulled the 19, 23, 27, 29, and 30 out of the safe right now, my 36 is currently out of the area.

Things we probably all already know:

The 19 and 23 are identical frames. The 29 and 30 are identical frames. The 27 is smallest.

The 30's grip is only slightly shorter than the 19/23, but also slightly thicker, not much though. Using a 9 round mag in the 30 keeps it short, adding a Pearce + 0 for a Glock 29 on the 9 round Glock 30 mag, or Pearce PG30 on the 10 round 30 mag brings some more grip into the picture.

To me, the 30 with a Pearce grip extension is very close to the 19/23 in feel, obviously not a sub compact like the 27. This is why I stopped using the 30 as a CCW gun and went to the 27 and my Walther PPS, they are much smaller and for the size, if I was going to CCW the 30 I might as well use my 19 and have 15+1 or my 23 and have 13+1.

Z ME FLY
08-01-2009, 8:43 PM
Tony what's the difference in barrel length between the 27 and 29? Well maybe I should say the slide length. Since you mention if you carry a 27 with ext you should just carry a compact instead.

Nessal
08-01-2009, 9:06 PM
I didn't mean to start a debate. I recently shot the Glock 19C in 9MM and the Glock 21SF in 45ACP. I was amazed by the lack of recoil for the Glock 21SF thus why I want to go with the .45ACP caliber. However, the grip wasn't too bad but I rate the grip as one of the highest selling points for me personally. The G19C had the PERFECT grip. It was like god made that gun just for my hands. I really wanted to stick with a round that is more common. If all else fails, I'll just get the G19. Then i'll shop around for another brand that has a perfect fit in .45ACP.

I guess from the opinions here, I'll check out the Glock 23 in .40S&W when I hit up the range next. Thanks for all the input guys.

lunde
08-01-2009, 9:16 PM
If the G19 had the ideal grip for you, the answer is simple: buy a G19. There's nothing more comm on than 9mm. My wife's only pistol is a G19. It is probably the best combat pistol on the planet.

If you want something with the same grip but chambered in45 caliber, the Glock 38 is what you want.

Nuuze
08-01-2009, 9:16 PM
I don't have a G19, but this pic may help. Choosing just one would be very difficult for me since I like all of them.

Here's a G26, G30sf, G17 and G21sf.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/Guns/DSC_1490.jpg

barrykay
08-01-2009, 9:25 PM
Yeah the G38 is as close as you wil get. Even then it's in .45GAP and not ACP.

GAP is a weak round IMHO.

Gap is a dead round IMHO.:p

Rudolf the Red
08-01-2009, 9:30 PM
Gap is a dead round IMHO.:p

That's why I like it. It makes the target dead.

9mm may expand, but .45 does not shrink.

(I also carry a P7 so I am not anti 9mm.)

g17owner
08-01-2009, 9:37 PM
The GAP round is kind of a dead round. It is a shame as its ballistics very good for what it was. The G21 and G17 are nowhere near is size and feel. Especially the older G21's. They are like holding a piece of wood. I know i have one of each. Here is a size comparison of my G21 for you. Its grip is large but with older non drop free mags i can get fifteen in the weapon without a problem. (of course when i'm out of state;) )
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/fr8owner/Glock%2021/Forsale032.jpg

jazman
08-01-2009, 9:37 PM
If the G19 fits you like a glove, buy it! 9mm ammo is always available, and way cheaper than .45...plus you won't ever shoot anyone anyway so why worry?:p

lunde
08-02-2009, 6:30 AM
Here are some photos of my Glock 38 (though it is no longer wearing the TFO sights -- it now wears standard AmeriGlo night sights):

http://lundestudio.com/photos/g38-left-full.jpg

http://lundestudio.com/photos/g38-right-full.jpg

http://lundestudio.com/photos/g38-left-flat.jpg

http://lundestudio.com/photos/g38-right-flat.jpg

http://lundestudio.com/photos/g38-muzzle.jpg

The Glock 19 and 38 (and 23 and 32) share the same frame, but the Glock 38 slide is dimensionally wider, but no wider than the frame. That is why the Glock 19 and 38 are advertised as having the same width. But, the Glock 38 will not fit into a holster that was made for the Glock 19 (or 23 or 32).

Turbinator
08-02-2009, 9:22 AM
I can't believe some of the bad information I'm reading here, such as:

I think its a Glock 21, but one of the Glock lovers will be along shortly and will probably steer you in the right direction.

Nope, as others have said, the G21 and the G19 are two different frame platforms. The G21 is a lot fatter, and will NOT feel the same to the user in the hand.

Glock 21 is the same as the 17 in size

Absolutely not.

Also, Glock does not make a "compact" .45 ACP, but only a full-size G21 (akin to G17) and the sub-compact G30 (akin to G26).

Sure they do. They make the G36 in .45ACP, which actually is dimensionally very similar to the G19.

G30 is roughly the same size as the G29 which is a subcompact.

The G30 and the G29 share the same frame and slide dimensions. They will feel the same in the hand, at least while you're not shooting them.

G30 it 10+1 but can use G21 13rn magz (in the free states)

Gee, I own pre-ban G21 13 rnd mags. I can use them in CA just fine, and completely legal. And in either gun.

The G30 side by side with a G19 looks similar in size, yes not exact, but the G30 is closer to the G19 than to the subcompact G26. There are some youtube vids that demonstrate this. I'd at least check out the G30 still.

and...

The 30 is nearly the same in size, but a bit thicker than the g19. But the 19 is a pretty small gun. The glock 19 and 30 have to have the best size to capasity ratio of any gun.

I disagree, if it's .45ACP you're after, the G36 is much closer in size to the G19 than the G30 is.

Now, a lot of posters subsequent to these quotes came in and helped clear up the confusion, but I'm just amazed how much mis-information is floating out there.

Glock on... :)

Turby

Z ME FLY
08-02-2009, 9:30 AM
Thanks for the post Turby!

Yeah it seemed a lot of people here didn't understand that the frames for a 9mm/40 is different than the 10mm/.45acp. I think you quoted me when I said the 30 and 29 are the same size and that would make them subcompacts since people thought the 30 was a compact which is not true.
It makes sense to me that the 36 would have a slimmer grip that the 30 because the 36 is single stacked.
Too bad you can't swap a 10mm barrel in the 36 but I wouldn't know what mags you would use.

TZL
08-02-2009, 10:51 AM
why wait until you are out of state, if they are "older" pre-ban mags, feel free to use them in state

after all there isn't a different between a pre-ban 13 round stock mag and a 15 round with extended floorplate pre-ban..........a pre-ban 11+ is a pre-ban mag so have fun with it....

.....older non drop free mags i can get fifteen in the weapon without a problem. (of course when i'm out of state;) )
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/fr8owner/Glock%2021/Forsale032.jpg

Steve-O
08-02-2009, 11:02 AM
My G29 (same size as G30) is roughly the same size as my G19. It is a bit wider. I find that they pack similarly.

Netlemming
08-02-2009, 12:00 PM
Photos are of the G19 and G30 with Pearce grip extension; G19 is to the left:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Glock1.jpg

without magazine:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Glock3.jpg

more:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Glock5.jpg

grips:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Glock2.jpg

another:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Glock4.jpg

and finally, comparing two compacts, SIG P229 in .40sw and G19:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt189/sfhhom/Sigp229.jpg

By the way, all three feels good in my hand.

1923mack
08-02-2009, 7:44 PM
I was looking into the new SF Glock models. The 36 is nice for concealment (single stack 45 ACP), but only 6 rounds. Unfortunately it appears the SF models takes material off in the front and back of the grips, but no change to the overall thickness of the gun. Stock magazines work on the SF models. The SF models were made for people with smaller hands, not to make the guns thinner for concealment.