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Scout106
07-29-2009, 1:12 PM
Most know that a COE is simply a pre-conducted background clearance check for purchasing firearms. It is most commonly used by 03 FFL Curio & Relic Collectors and is a necessity to work in sales of firearms at a gun store.

I was recently told that DOJ FD has a "new" interpretation that a COE will waive the 10 day wait on a MODERN long gun (rifle or shotgun). Anybody confirm this? If true, is the C&R required along with the COE, even though it is a modern firearm?

This information came from a dealer who initially said the 10 day wait was required. He later contacted DOJ FA and was told of the new interpretation that legalized the sale with no wait for a COE holder. This all makes way too much sense to me but maybe AG Jerry Brown has had some influence. Next step would be to issue the COE for a three year period rather than the current one year, which is a pain in the butt. DOJ failed to deliver my last renewal until I called them 6 months after issue.

zinfull
07-29-2009, 2:15 PM
Yes it is true but I remember that you need a FFL03 with the COE to work. Have been doing this for years.

jerry

sholling
07-29-2009, 2:24 PM
Most know that a COE is simply a pre-conducted background clearance check for purchasing firearms. It is most commonly used by 03 FFL Curio & Relic Collectors and is a necessity to work in sales of firearms at a gun store.

I was recently told that DOJ FD has a "new" interpretation that a COE will waive the 10 day wait on a MODERN long gun (rifle or shotgun). Anybody confirm this? If true, is the C&R required along with the COE, even though it is a modern firearm?

This information came from a dealer who initially said the 10 day wait was required. He later contacted DOJ FA and was told of the new interpretation that legalized the sale with no wait for a COE holder. This all makes way too much sense to me but maybe AG Jerry Brown has had some influence. Next step would be to issue the COE for a three year period rather than the current one year, which is a pain in the butt. DOJ failed to deliver my last renewal until I called them 6 months after issue.
I'd be shocked if it were true. Happy because I just ordered a new handgun, but shocked. As of a few months ago the O3 and COE only let you out of the 10 day wait for C&Rs and exempted you from 1 the handgun a month law. Even LE can't skip the 10 day wait without a letter from their agency.

ke6guj
07-29-2009, 2:30 PM
Yes it is true but I remember that you need a FFL03 with the COE to work. Have been doing this for years.

jerryreally? An 03 + COE exempts you from the 10-day wait on Modern firearms? I hadn't seen that in the PC. I do know that it does exempt you from the 10-day wait on C&R firearms, and does exempt you from the 1-in-30-day wait on C&R and Modern handguns, but did not know about any 10-day wait exemption on Modern firearms.

Cali-V
07-29-2009, 2:43 PM
I just got of the line (I had to call, just too good to be true) and..
The Field Rep.(?) said it was just the 3 exemptions:


No 1 handgun in 30 days
No wait for C&R's
No HSC

She did not see any new exemption...

What dose the code say?

bwiese
07-29-2009, 3:02 PM
I am confident that the COE /+C&R does not allow modern long guns purchasers to avoid the 10 day wait.

If it did, folks would be lined up around the block for LiveScan.

Cali-V
07-29-2009, 3:06 PM
THREE ABREAST...

technique
07-29-2009, 3:09 PM
While I was waiting on the DMV for a good copy of vehicle registration, one of the very strict policy FFLs in my area took my COE as residency for a modern handgun...I think thats about all its done for me. I don't have the C&R.

CHS
07-29-2009, 3:10 PM
Most know that a COE is simply a pre-conducted background clearance check for purchasing firearms and is a necessity to work in sales of firearms at a gun store.


That's not true.

The law says that it's necessary if the owners/license holder deem it necessary.

Yeah, I know, circular and stupid. Regardless, I don't have one and I sell guns for a living :)

CHS
07-29-2009, 3:12 PM
I am confident that the COE /+C&R does not allow modern long guns purchasers to avoid the 10 day wait.

If it did, folks would be lined up around the block for LiveScan.

What, exactly, is the point of a COE if it doesn't actually exempt you from anything? (besides COE + C&R)

bwiese
07-29-2009, 3:36 PM
What, exactly, is the point of a COE if it doesn't actually exempt you from anything? (besides COE + C&R)

Feel-good legislation so that some legislator can say, "I've stopped all those criminals working at a gunshop".

dfletcher
07-29-2009, 3:39 PM
It exempts you from the 1 per 30 dealer sale restriction on all handguns including modern. I'd heard before that it also eliminates the need for an HSC card, wasn't certain but I see it's also mentioned in an above posting. Personally, if it does, I'd still get the HSC anyway since it's only $25.00 for 5 years.

CHS
07-29-2009, 3:42 PM
It exempts you from the 1 per 30 dealer sale restriction on all handguns including modern.


No it doesn't. It only does that in combination with some kind of FFL (01 or 03/C&R)

I'd heard before that it also eliminates the need for an HSC card, wasn't certain but I see it's also mentioned in an above posting. Personally, if it does, I'd still get the HSC anyway since it's only $25.00 for 5 years.

Heh, so it's a more expensive version of the HSC. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

CHS
07-29-2009, 3:44 PM
Feel-good legislation so that some legislator can say, "I've stopped all those criminals working at a gunshop".

Except that the entire system is optional so it doesn't do a damn thing.

If these laws weren't real, I'd be laughing at how absurd they are.

zinfull
07-29-2009, 3:44 PM
So sorry i miss read the post. I need to drink more coffe in the afternoon.


It would be nice to be exempt from all thew BS post firearm purchase requirements.

jerry

ke6guj
07-29-2009, 3:46 PM
Heh, so it's a more expensive version of the HSC. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

I think it is only an HSC exemption for C&R handguns, and only if you have a C&R FFL as well.


What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?

X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member

dfletcher
07-30-2009, 8:16 AM
No it doesn't. It only does that in combination with some kind of FFL (01 or 03/C&R)


Oops, right - my mispeak. Was assuming we were talking about COE in concert with Type 03 FFL.

B Strong
07-30-2009, 9:11 AM
I am confident that the COE /+C&R does not allow modern long guns purchasers to avoid the 10 day wait.

If it did, folks would be lined up around the block for LiveScan.

It would look like the line for Stones tickets in 1973.