PDA

View Full Version : UCI summer math instructor gets swatteamed at school-subsidized apartment (VIDEO)


jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 1:36 PM
The dude lives in grad housing in VDC, a few hundred feet from where I live (regular Vista Del Campo). Obviously there's a gun ban on campus, best you can do is keep a knife in the apartment. I think he's a TA teaching summer session.

G8ELNM-MQXg

edit: thanks rkt, edited also for more accurate info.

lazyworm
07-28-2009, 1:42 PM
Your link doesn't work. Anyways, why does that cop has a suppressor on his
ar/m4?

ke6guj
07-28-2009, 1:42 PM
fixed for the OP.
G8ELNM-MQXg

BONECUTTER
07-28-2009, 1:56 PM
Your link doesn't work. Anyways, why does that cop has a suppressor on his
ar/m4?

UCIPD has suppressors on all their AR's. Its to protect the officers ears.

Jeffu
07-28-2009, 1:57 PM
didn't someone from our school get arrested last month for wearing camo gears on campus?

rkt88edmo
07-28-2009, 2:01 PM
Nice, call the police on yourself after getting in a fracas with what sounds like building maintenance?

He is obviously being enslaved!

Doheny
07-28-2009, 2:08 PM
You don't say bomb on a airplane and you don't say you're gonna go get a gun on a state university.

Knucklehead.

BONECUTTER
07-28-2009, 2:09 PM
didn't someone from our school get arrested last month for wearing camo gears on campus?

Nope, A guy was off campus walking to a buddies apartment because they were going airsofting. He thought it would be a bright idea to carry openly a airsoft rifle.

The campus was searched but he never even set foot on it.

hawk1
07-28-2009, 2:15 PM
UCIPD has suppressors on all their AR's. Its to protect the officers ears.

:smilielol5:

gdun
07-28-2009, 2:16 PM
the guy who posted the video(the one getting arrested) posted a comment on youtube about it.

"No...I had 2 guys in my home telling me they were changing the locks...i asked them several times to leave and get some paperwork...then I asked them if I needed a firearm to get them to leave, and they called the police. "

Man i would not like being one of those cops, especially with that guys voice.

barrym66
07-28-2009, 2:16 PM
Sounds like he brought this all on himself....call it "verbal brandishing" or whatever, but making any kind of reference to a firearm on a school campus is asking for b-i-g attention from campus LEO's.

Think VT tragedy and the current political environment....

I think the UCI police did a decent job of remaining calm and taking care of business in this situation. :thumbsup:

jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 2:17 PM
yeah i don't think the guy was very smart, making empty threats like that.

compsoftstation
07-28-2009, 2:19 PM
Like how the officer was smirking when he offered them the constitution.

rkt88edmo
07-28-2009, 2:22 PM
and yet there he is in his own video saying that he did make the call.

He also comments that some cop stepped on the copy of the constitution he tried to give him?

the guy who posted the video(the one getting arrested) posted a comment on youtube about it.

"No...I had 2 guys in my home telling me they were changing the locks...i asked them several times to leave and get some paperwork...then I asked them if I needed a firearm to get them to leave, and they called the police. "

Man i would not like being one of those cops, especially with that guys voice.

BONECUTTER
07-28-2009, 2:23 PM
:smilielol5:

I wasn't joking.....A few years ago there was an incident in an Albertsons in Irvine where an officer fired an AR indoors and damaged his hearing. After medical bills and leave time the departments have figured out that Suppressor are way more cost effective.

Many departments are going this way.

jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 2:25 PM
Hm, what was the shooting in response to?

hawk1
07-28-2009, 2:27 PM
I wasn't joking.....A few years ago there was an incident in an Albertsons in Irvine where an officer fired an AR indoors and damaged his hearing. After medical bills and leave time the departments have figured out that Suppressor are way more cost effective.

Many departments are going this way.

Oh I think it's more than likely true. I'm laughing because you and I would never get away with that excuse to own one...

Jeffu
07-28-2009, 2:27 PM
Nope, A guy was off campus walking to a buddies apartment because they were going airsofting. He thought it would be a bright idea to carry openly a airsoft rifle.

The campus was searched but he never even set foot on it.

he was dragged out of the student center though, and was he carrying it inside a case or...?

and open carry = legal?

jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 2:28 PM
hey jeff, what year are you?

Jeffu
07-28-2009, 2:29 PM
hey jeff, what year are you?

2010

jakjakman
07-28-2009, 2:29 PM
I wasn't joking.....A few years ago there was an incident in an Albertsons in Irvine where an officer fired an AR indoors and damaged his hearing. After medical bills and leave time the departments have figured out that Suppressor are way more cost effective.

Many departments are going this way.

Orly? You mean suppressors aren't the evil tools of assassins we were led to believe by our friendly fud government? You mean they're actually safety devices??? gtfo!!

jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 2:37 PM
2010

cool, lucky you live off campus lol

technique
07-28-2009, 2:40 PM
I have no sound on my laptop...what exactly is being said?

Jeffu
07-28-2009, 2:43 PM
cool, lucky you live off campus lol

so...how do you store...

blackberg
07-28-2009, 2:50 PM
Your link doesn't work. Anyways, why does that cop has a suppressor on his
ar/m4?

its a fake can :eek::43:

-bb

BONECUTTER
07-28-2009, 2:55 PM
he was dragged out of the student center though, and was he carrying it inside a case or...?

and open carry = legal?

They detained a guy in camo while looking for the other guy. I normally have something camo on and had friends texting me to hide that day.

Thankfully I wasn't here that day.

jcaoloveshine
07-28-2009, 2:59 PM
so...how do you store...

450 miles north, back home, safely secured. i take no risks.

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:05 PM
Dumb, dumb, dumb:rolleyes:

JDay
07-28-2009, 3:13 PM
The campus housing ban on firearms should be challenged now that we have Nordyke and Heller. Clearly these bans are in violation of the Second Amendment.

donsnnk
07-28-2009, 3:15 PM
so like did the guy go to jail or what happened after
irvine is seems pretty rowdy haha

Scratch705
07-28-2009, 3:23 PM
well irvine is the safest urban city of its size in the USA. can't achieve that without a overwhelming police force that keeps the entire city locked down and arresting anyone that causes disturbances.

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:28 PM
The campus housing ban on firearms should be challenged now that we have Nordyke and Heller. Clearly these bans are in violation of the Second Amendment.

On what basis? The housing contract clearly states that there are no firearms allowed in dorms. He didn't have to sign it, he could have found a place outside of university's control.

JDay
07-28-2009, 3:32 PM
On what basis? The housing contract clearly states that there are no firearms allowed in dorms. He didn't have to sign it, he could have found a place outside of university's control.

Because both of those cases state that you have a right to a firearm for self defense in the home and both the UC and CSU systems are run by the state.

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:36 PM
Because both of those cases state that you have a right to a firearm for self defense in the home and both the UC and CSU systems are run by the state.
self-defense in the PRIVATE home. It doesn't say anything about university's housing, which is a state entity.

edit: In fact, IIRC, Nordyke decision affirmed incorporation of 2A, but also acknowledged that the county could decided to not hold the gun show.

JDay
07-28-2009, 3:45 PM
self-defense in the PRIVATE home. It doesn't say anything about university's housing, which is a state entity.

edit: In fact, IIRC, Nordyke decision affirmed incorporation of 2A, but also acknowledged that the county could decided to not hold the gun show.

Its your private home if you're paying the bills. Same thing when you're staying in a hotel, camping or living in an RV.

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:47 PM
No it's not. You are leasing/renting from college. College OWNS the place, they can set whatever restriction they want to put on. You also have hoice of NOT SIGNING the lease.

M198
07-28-2009, 3:48 PM
Because both of those cases state that you have a right to a firearm for self defense in the home and both the UC and CSU systems are run by the state.

This is exactly the same thing as SF trying to ban guns in city owned oublic housing. They rolled over like a kicked dog after Nordyke. UCI uses our tax dollars to provide education to the masses, which is the best way to reduce crime.

JDay
07-28-2009, 3:49 PM
No it's not. You are leasing/renting from college. College OWNS the place, they can set whatever restriction they want to put on. You also have hoice of NOT SIGNING the lease.

See the post above. You should also look up the meaning of "shall not be infringed".

B Strong
07-28-2009, 3:51 PM
Changing the locks might have been an eviction action.

Arguing the Constitutionality of an officer's actions or the law in those circumstances will get you nowhere.

By attending classes and living in the housing he accepts the terms and conditions. If the T & C's are no firearms, he's stuck until a court decision goes his way.

B Strong
07-28-2009, 3:53 PM
This is exactly the same thing as SF trying to ban guns in city owned oublic housing. They rolled over like a kicked dog after Nordyke. UCI uses our tax dollars to provide education to the masses, which is the best way to reduce crime.

Not exactly - in the S.F case, the terms and conditions were being changed after the fact. The no-gun rule on campus and in campus housing has been around for at least 20 years iirc.

JDay
07-28-2009, 3:56 PM
Not exactly - in the S.F case, the terms and conditions were being changed after the fact. The no-gun rule on campus and in campus housing has been around for at least 20 years iirc.

By your reasoning they could put in a clause that your cant have any of your <insert minority> friends visit and it would be perfectly legal. I mean, whats the difference if it was in the lease?

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:56 PM
You should also know that 1st amendment is not absolute. Remember that 'yelling fire in a theater' is not a smart thing to do. The post above indicates that a city decided to ban guns, which is bad since here in CA state has all the sayings in such matter. UCI is part of the state's control, so in this case, comparison to SF isn't going to fly.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 3:58 PM
You should also know that 1st amendment is not absolute. Remember that 'yelling fire in a theater' is not a smart thing to do. The post above indicates that a city decided to ban guns, which is bad since here in CA state has all the sayings in such matter. UCI is part of the state's control, so in this case, comparison to SF isn't going to fly.
I don't think you properly understand the definition of "home" with regard to it's application in law.

HCz
07-28-2009, 3:59 PM
By your reasoning they could put in a clause that your cant have any of your <insert minority> friends visit and it would be perfectly legal. I mean, whats the difference if it was in the lease?
Because use of skin color, which is something that person doen't have much choice to begin with, to deny access is not moral or legal?

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:00 PM
I don't think you properly understand the definition of "home" with regard to it's application in law.

Could be, but at the same time, I tend to lean more into the idea of making choices.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 4:04 PM
Could be, but at the same time, I tend to lean more into the idea of making choices.
:confused: :confused: What the heck does that mean?

JDay
07-28-2009, 4:05 PM
Because use of skin color, which is something that person doen't have much choice to begin with, to deny access is not moral or legal?

But you see here, they are saying you don't have a choice to have a firearm to protect yourself. No choice in either.

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:08 PM
:confused: :confused: What the heck does that mean?

The student could just take an apartment outside of campus. Living in dorms is not mandatory, so attending college doesn't mean infringement of the 2A. (which is what I did)

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:10 PM
But you see here, they are saying you don't have a choice to have a firearm to protect yourself. No choice in either.
Read my previous post. NO ONE FORCES STUDENTS TO LIVE ON CAMPUS.

B Strong
07-28-2009, 4:10 PM
By your reasoning they could put in a clause that your cant have any of your <insert minority> friends visit and it would be perfectly legal. I mean, whats the difference if it was in the lease?

I once went to rent an apartment, wanted to move in and when I read the lease it had a section that restricted the lessee from having a motorcycle parked on the premises - after discussing it with the landlord, who wouldn't alter the lease, I passed.

That's excercising your freedom.

In the case we're discussing, I would bet that the guy was aware from day one that he was restricted from possessing a firearm on the property, and he took the place anyway.

Let him take his case to the courts, not youtube.

JDay
07-28-2009, 4:14 PM
I once went to rent an apartment, wanted to move in and when I read the lease it had a section that restricted the lessee from having a motorcycle parked on the premises - after discussing it with the landlord, who wouldn't alter the lease, I passed.

That's excercising your freedom.

In the case we're discussing, I would bet that the guy was aware from day one that he was restricted from possessing a firearm on the property, and he took the place anyway.

Let him take his case to the courts, not youtube.

You do not have a Constitutional right to keep and bear a motorcycle.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 4:17 PM
The student could just take an apartment outside of campus. Living in dorms is not mandatory, so attending college doesn't mean infringement of the 2A. (which is what I did)
What does that have to do with the lawful exercise of your constitutional rights?

Oregonish
07-28-2009, 4:17 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but the officer holding the rifle REALLY needs to get a single point sling or something. The "holding with one hand pointing up into the air while talking on the radio while moving around method" was making ME nervous, just watching him do it.

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:24 PM
What does that have to do with the lawful exercise of your constitutional rights?
It has to do with CHOICES. Note that I decided to not go with compromising my 2A in exchange for a room. When a student signs the agreement, he is not doing it under duress, and understands the contract. He can just walk away or not have a gun on that property.

JDay
07-28-2009, 4:27 PM
It has to do with CHOICES. Note that I decided to not go with compromising my 2A in exchange for a room. When a student signs the agreement, he is not doing it under duress, and understands the contract. He can just walk away or not have a gun on that property.

You do realize that it is cheaper to live in campus provided housing than it is to live somewhere else right? Some students simply cannot afford to live anywhere else while attending a university. Btw, I bet you'd have your panties in a bunch if his lease had a clause saying that he could only live there if he was a Democrat.

Futurecollector
07-28-2009, 4:37 PM
so what happened to this guy???

EMT007
07-28-2009, 4:38 PM
Man that guy was annoying! Have a calm and mature conversation with the officers ("hey, so I have an issue with this because of x,y,and z"), don't rant at them about the same crap over and over again.

Props to UCIPD for remaining calm and professional. And nice AR's - wonder how they fit them in their cars - definitely no room to fit them vertically between the seats like most departments do. Maybe a roof mount system might be long enough?

B Strong
07-28-2009, 4:42 PM
You do not have a Constitutional right to keep and bear a motorcycle.

But I do have a right to not sign a contract when I object to the terms.

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:42 PM
You do realize that it is cheaper to live in campus provided housing than it is to live somewhere else right? Some students simply cannot afford to live anywhere else while attending a university.
Of course, and I lived off campus instead of letting my rights get compromised. However, cost of living is not a reason for making choices that you make on your own when it comes to contractual agreement. Furthermore, you can borrow more in college loans to cover the difference in the cost.
Btw, I bet you'd have your panties in a bunch if his lease had a clause saying that he could only live there if he was a Democrat.
Political party affiliation, while a choice, doesn't necessarilly equate with having a firearm.

B Strong
07-28-2009, 4:46 PM
You do realize that it is cheaper to live in campus provided housing than it is to live somewhere else right? Some students simply cannot afford to live anywhere else while attending a university. Btw, I bet you'd have your panties in a bunch if his lease had a clause saying that he could only live there if he was a Democrat.

It's cheaper, and there are consequences. You sign the contract, you live with the contract terms, for better or worse until a court decision states otherwise.

Since there are no leases in todays world that stipulate "Democrat only" housing, let's leave the strawman arguments at the door.

JDay
07-28-2009, 4:46 PM
Political party affiliation, while a choice, doesn't necessarilly equate with having a firearm.

And why not? Both are rights guaranteed to you by the Constitution.

Darklyte27
07-28-2009, 4:48 PM
I agree he went the wrong way to do that. plus he sounds like a pansy.

aplinker
07-28-2009, 4:55 PM
Not too smart.

Whether it's constitutional or not I wouldn't go about trying to take down a law by doing something clearly threatening - referring to using a firearm to get someone to leave.

The tard obviously doesn't know the constitution/BOR very well - he forgot all abou the 5th amendment.

HCz
07-28-2009, 4:56 PM
And why not? Both are rights guaranteed to you by the Constitution.
Would you open carry a loaded pistol in to the state government?

Before anyone wonders, no I'm not advocating someone to do that. ;)

gun toting monkeyboy
07-28-2009, 4:58 PM
Ok guys. The laws regarding having a firearm on campus specifically state that it is not allowed unless you have written permission from the head honcho there. All else is moot. If he doesn't have that, he can't bring it on campus. Period. I don't care if he lives there, there is no legal way for him to have gotten it to his room. Whether or not he has a constitutional right to have it in is room or not is totally meaningless. Besides, what kind of moron would brandish (or verbally brandish) a gun in Irvine? The cops there emptied 3 magazines from their sidearms into a freakin cow for gods sakes. Just because it might have eventually made it on to the freeway. These guys normally make Mall Ninjas look sane and tame. This kid was totally stupid.

-Mb (who lived in Irvine most of the time he was in college.)

dadoody
07-28-2009, 4:59 PM
the guy who posted the video(the one getting arrested) posted a comment on youtube about it.

"No...I had 2 guys in my home telling me they were changing the locks...i asked them several times to leave and get some paperwork...then I asked them if I needed a firearm to get them to leave, and they called the police. "

Man i would not like being one of those cops, especially with that guys voice.

Yeah his voice is annoying.

Problem is that he should have forced out the people changing the locks if they didn't present paperwork. I think his "threat" was justified as he was being intruded upon....but maybe not a firearm threat persay. He didn't acctually have a weapon.

The cops were being heavy handed, but not knowing how it was called into them, I can see why they were a bit jumpy. However, I would not have wanted a rifle pointed at me either. They also didn't have a warrant, but he was outside, so that doesn't matter. If they went inside without permission, then that is a lawsuit.

In the end, he spoke too much. Much more than was necessary, but I guess he was trying to prove a point.

The cops seemed too heavy handed for dealing with a non-thuggy looking high pitched white guy screaming about the constitution.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 5:08 PM
Ok guys. The laws regarding having a firearm on campus specifically state that it is not allowed unless you have written permission from the head honcho there. All else is moot. If he doesn't have that, he can't bring it on campus. Period. I don't care if he lives there, there is no legal way for him to have gotten it to his room. Whether or not he has a constitutional right to have it in is room or not is totally meaningless. Besides, what kind of moron would brandish (or verbally brandish) a gun in Irvine? The cops there emptied 3 magazines from their sidearms into a freakin cow for gods sakes. Just because it might have eventually made it on to the freeway. These guys normally make Mall Ninjas look sane and tame. This kid was totally stupid.

-Mb (who lived in Irvine most of the time he was in college.)
Constitution > School Policy

Doheny
07-28-2009, 5:14 PM
Would you open carry a loaded pistol in to the state government?

Before anyone wonders, no I'm not advocating someone to do that. ;)

It's not legal.

B Strong
07-28-2009, 5:15 PM
Yeah his voice is annoying.

Problem is that he should have forced out the people changing the locks if they didn't present paperwork. I think his "threat" was justified as he was being intruded upon....but maybe not a firearm threat persay. He didn't acctually have a weapon.

The cops were being heavy handed, but not knowing how it was called into them, I can see why they were a bit jumpy. However, I would not have wanted a rifle pointed at me either. They also didn't have a warrant, but he was outside, so that doesn't matter. If they went inside without permission, then that is a lawsuit.

In the end, he spoke too much. Much more than was necessary, but I guess he was trying to prove a point.

The cops seemed too heavy handed for dealing with a non-thuggy looking high pitched white guy screaming about the constitution.

I'd be real interested in the reason for the lock change - was this guy being evicted? If so, and the administration wasn't complying with state law wrt eviction, he could have a legitimate claim, at least on those grounds.

B Strong
07-28-2009, 5:17 PM
Constitution > School Policy

And when he signed the contract, he surrendered that part of the Constitution.

HCz
07-28-2009, 5:19 PM
I'd be real interested in the reason for the lock change - was this guy being evicted? If so, and the administration wasn't complying with state law wrt eviction, he could have a legitimate claim, at least on those grounds.

That's what I'm wondering too. University employess tend to be a bit slow, but they don't do a thing without a reason(stupidity is not as often as you might think). I think we might be getting one side(the video poster's) of the story at this time.

AgentAK
07-28-2009, 5:20 PM
I'd be real interested in the reason for the lock change - was this guy being evicted? If so, and the administration wasn't complying with state law wrt eviction, he could have a legitimate claim, at least on those grounds.

Maybe they change locks after each semester because people move out? Especially during summer... I know that I didn't get the same room after summer break. Obviously, the guy was still living there, so maybe they were told to change all of them and somebody screwed up.

aplinker
07-28-2009, 5:21 PM
Someone should get him to come to Calguns.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 6:07 PM
And when he signed the contract, he surrendered that part of the Constitution.
The school, being a government institution, is barred from making such demands by the constitution, as are all such government institutions.

If this was a PRIVATE entity that owned the property, you would be correct. But since it is UCI, which is a state funded institution, they cannot make such demands.

If it was a private college, such as Chapman University, then yes, the student would waive their rights.

EMT007
07-28-2009, 6:11 PM
Yeah his voice is annoying.

Problem is that he should have forced out the people changing the locks if they didn't present paperwork. I think his "threat" was justified as he was being intruded upon....but maybe not a firearm threat persay. He didn't acctually have a weapon.

The cops were being heavy handed, but not knowing how it was called into them, I can see why they were a bit jumpy. However, I would not have wanted a rifle pointed at me either. They also didn't have a warrant, but he was outside, so that doesn't matter. If they went inside without permission, then that is a lawsuit.

In the end, he spoke too much. Much more than was necessary, but I guess he was trying to prove a point.

The cops seemed too heavy handed for dealing with a non-thuggy looking high pitched white guy screaming about the constitution.

Not on a UC campus its not. Hell, even the RAs/housing staff can conduct searches of your room without a warrant/permission.

pnkssbtz
07-28-2009, 6:19 PM
Not on a UC campus its not. Hell, even the RAs/housing staff can conduct searches of your room without a warrant/permission.
Depends if its the apartments or dorm.

ldivinag
07-28-2009, 7:00 PM
M

Props to UCIPD for remaining calm and professional. And nice AR's - wonder how they fit them in their cars - definitely no room to fit them vertically between the seats like most departments do. Maybe a roof mount system might be long enough?

hayward PD mounts theirs in the rear trunk lid with a remote control release from the driver's seat.

Bizcuits
07-28-2009, 7:10 PM
I feel cheated, I didn't see a swat team?

EMT007
07-28-2009, 7:28 PM
Depends if its the apartments or dorm.

I'm not so sure about that - they're both usually run by the same department of the university and have the same requirements (must be students, must sign the same contract, etc.). I think they're both legally the same thing.

hayward PD mounts theirs in the rear trunk lid with a remote control release from the driver's seat.

Cool - thats kinda what I figured they might have to do.

Turo
07-28-2009, 7:31 PM
I'm kind of confused as to why everybody is chastising the guy for "brandishing" or "verbally brandishing" a firearm. It was clearly stated in the video that the guy asked the 911 dispatch if he should go get a firearm. IMO that's like asking a police officer if you should go spray paint graffiti on a bridge. (assuming that having a firearm on a college campus is against the law)

I'm sure the dispatch told him not to get a firearm, and the police should have been called in to deal with a possible trespassing, not a MWAG call.

NiteQwill
07-28-2009, 7:37 PM
I'm kind of confused as to why everybody is chastising the guy for "brandishing" or "verbally brandishing" a firearm. It was clearly stated in the video that the guy asked the 911 dispatch if he should go get a firearm. IMO that's like asking a police officer if you should go spray paint graffiti on a bridge. (assuming that having a firearm on a college campus is against the law)

I'm sure the dispatch told him not to get a firearm, and the police should have been called in to deal with a possible trespassing, not a MWAG call.

From the person in the video:
No...I had 2 guys in my home telling me they were changing the locks...i asked them several times to leave and get some paperwork...then I asked them if I needed a firearm to get them to leave, and they called the police.

Turo
07-28-2009, 7:41 PM
From the person in the video:
No...I had 2 guys in my home telling me they were changing the locks...i asked them several times to leave and get some paperwork...then I asked them if I needed a firearm to get them to leave, and they called the police.

Ahh, I was under the wrong impression then. Sorry about that.

masameet
07-28-2009, 7:56 PM
Someone should get him to come to Calguns.

Why? So he can be annoying here? lol

With that petulant voice of his and his circular reasoning, I really feel for his students.

five.five-six
07-28-2009, 8:26 PM
they should have arrested the professor for disturbing the peace

andrewj
07-28-2009, 8:28 PM
Why? So he can be annoying here? lol

With that petulant voice of his and his circular reasoning, I really feel for his students.

I invited him here to give us the full story. Be sure to apologize if he shows. :p

Doheny
07-28-2009, 8:31 PM
I invited him here to give us his side of the story.

Fixed it for you.

andrewj
07-28-2009, 8:35 PM
Fixed it for you.

That too.

Bruce3
07-28-2009, 8:46 PM
Dumb way of jeopardizing your education and career, if im not mistaken VDC is reserved for grad students in masters or PhD programs.

pullnshoot25
07-28-2009, 8:53 PM
It's not legal.

New Hampshire and Virginia guys get to do that all the time...

B.D.Dubloon
07-28-2009, 8:57 PM
Jeez what a simp. And he claims that he was trying to call them.

Doheny
07-28-2009, 9:08 PM
New Hampshire and Virginia guys get to do that all the time...

When in Rome...

Ron-Solo
07-28-2009, 9:25 PM
Yeah his voice is annoying.

Problem is that he should have forced out the people changing the locks if they didn't present paperwork. I think his "threat" was justified as he was being intruded upon....but maybe not a firearm threat persay. He didn't acctually have a weapon.

The cops were being heavy handed, but not knowing how it was called into them, I can see why they were a bit jumpy.

How do you figure they were heavy handed. They gave him specific instructions and then approached, checked him for weapons before clearing the apartment for additional suspects or victims. What was 'heavy handed' about that? They were actually very calm and polite to him.

However, I would not have wanted a rifle pointed at me either.

I watched that obviously staged video and when he kept saying "don't point that gun at me" it was pointed in the air.


They also didn't have a warrant, but he was outside, so that doesn't matter. If they went inside without permission, then that is a lawsuit.

Wrong, a warrant is not always required, there are exceptions to the requirement to get a warrant and a situation like this is one of those. They can enter the apartment to make sure there are no additional suspects that may be armed, or victims of a crime that might need assistance. Anything they see during that period that is in plain view is admissible. If they start looking in drawers and such, that exceeds the scope of the exception for a warrantless search.


In the end, he spoke too much. Much more than was necessary, but I guess he was trying to prove a point.

He just repeatedly showed his ignorance in my opinion

The cops seemed too heavy handed for dealing with a non-thuggy looking high pitched white guy screaming about the constitution.

Ya know, I was shot at once by a guy who looked a lot like that whiny, nerdy looking guy. If you know the secret to identifying a bad guy on sight, please share that info. It was a possible "man with a gun" call for crying out loud.




You can argue that gun bans on campus violate the 2A all you want, but until an appeals court rules it is unconstitutional, it is the law of the land.

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution have been analyzed and interpreted by various scholars and legal experts since it was ratified. It is a living document that changes based on judicial review.

There are, in reality, few 'absolutes' when dealing with the Constitution, and a lot of grey area subject to interpretation, especially when it comes to search & seizure. The 4th amendment has many exceptions to the warrantless search restriction.

Now, as far as the campus police's tactics, as a watch commander with 31 years of law enforcement experience, I have some issues with the way they did some things. Potential crossfire situations, un-necessasary exposure, etc.

I review arrests to make sure our people are within the law and everyone's (suspects included) rights and safety are protected.

This video was obviously staged so the individual could give a one sided view of the incident and his personal interpretation of the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.

Spiggy
07-28-2009, 9:37 PM
Mr. Tactical Response AR-Officer failed his safety course. A firearm should not be pointed into the air due to safety reasons if the weapon were to discharge.

I'll be sure to complain about that when I call the phone number tomorrow. :D

DedEye
07-28-2009, 9:38 PM
Would you open carry a loaded pistol in to the state government?

Before anyone wonders, no I'm not advocating someone to do that. ;)

Are you asking if a person would do that legally (with a ccw) or illegally?

Legally? Yes, without hesitation.

It's not legal.

It is in California.

anthonyca
07-28-2009, 9:52 PM
You can argue that gun bans on campus violate the 2A all you want, but until an appeals court rules it is unconstitutional, it is the law of the land.

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution have been analyzed and interpreted by various scholars and legal experts since it was ratified. It is a living document that changes based on judicial review.
There are, in reality, few 'absolutes' when dealing with the Constitution, and a lot of grey area subject to interpretation, especially when it comes to search & seizure. The 4th amendment has many exceptions to the warrantless search restriction.

Now, as far as the campus police's tactics, as a watch commander with 31 years of law enforcement experience, I have some issues with the way they did some things. Potential crossfire situations, un-necessasary exposure, etc.

I review arrests to make sure our people are within the law and everyone's (suspects included) rights and safety are protected.

This video was obviously staged so the individual could give a one sided view of the incident and his personal interpretation of the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.

That was not the intention. There is a process to change it but until then it is the supreme law of the land.

Doheny
07-28-2009, 9:56 PM
Are you asking if a person would do that legally (with a ccw) or illegally?

Legally? Yes, without hesitation.

It is in California.

Show me. He said open carry. You can't open carry a gun into the capitol. You can CCW (at least the law says you can), but you clearly can't open carry. I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think I am (it doesn't say anything about loaded vs. unloaded) Having a CCW doesn't change your ability to open carry:

171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.

Ron-Solo
07-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Show me. He said open carry. You can't open carry a gun into the capitol. You can CCW (at least the law says you can), but you clearly can't open carry. I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think I am (it doesn't say anything about loaded vs. unloaded) Having a CCW doesn't change your ability to open carry:

171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.


Even with a CCW you can not carry in courthouses, nor can you open carry.

FYI, Airguns and BB guns fall under 171b also, along with a whole bunch of other things.

Ron-Solo
07-28-2009, 10:12 PM
That was not the intention. There is a process to change it but until then it is the supreme law of the land.

Can't say that I disagree with you there. Unfortunately, too many judicial officers think they can write law, rather than apply it or interpret it. :cool:

CalNRA
07-28-2009, 10:17 PM
that's why after freshman year I moved to private residence and since then the school hasn't seen a dime of my money besides tuition.

BEsides, the UC housing tend to be extremely expensive and intrusive. Sure, it might be comforting to 19 year old suburban kids who never left home to have all those regulations in place, but I got over it after one year.

Doheny
07-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Even with a CCW you can not carry in courthouses, nor can you open carry.

FYI, Airguns and BB guns fall under 171b also, along with a whole bunch of other things.

It would be stupid to try (even w/ a CCW), but the way I read the code, the prohibition to a gun in a courthouse doesn't apply if you have a CCW (assuming you're not a party to an action.) However, in reality, I think you would be told to get lost if you tried it.

171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.

<snip>

(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(1) A person who possesses weapons in, or transports weapons into,
a court of law to be used as evidence.
(2) (A) A duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5
(commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a retired peace
officer with authorization to carry concealed weapons as described in
subdivision (a) of Section 12027, a full-time paid peace officer of
another state or the federal government who is carrying out official
duties while in California, or any person summoned by any of these
officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he
or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer.
(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), subdivision (a) shall apply
to any person who brings or possesses any weapon specified therein
within any courtroom if he or she is a party to an action pending
before the court.
(3) A person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant
to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2
of Part 4.

DedEye
07-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Show me. He said open carry. You can't open carry a gun into the capitol. You can CCW (at least the law says you can), but you clearly can't open carry. I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think I am (it doesn't say anything about loaded vs. unloaded) Having a CCW doesn't change your ability to open carry:

171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
public pursuant to Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 54950) of Part
1 of Division 2 of Title 5 of, or Article 9 (commencing with Section
11120) of Chapter 1 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of, the
Government Code, any of the following is guilty of a public offense
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
year, or in the state prison:
(1) Any firearm.

Oh, I missed the part about open carrying, I thought you meant carry in general. Whoops.

GoodEyeSniper
07-28-2009, 11:07 PM
he should just get a CCW so he can legally carry on campus :TFH:

Though that would probably make him lose his job, he'd still be 100% legal :p

vrand
07-28-2009, 11:43 PM
he should just get a CCW so he can legally carry on campus :TFH:

Though that would probably make him lose his job, he'd still be 100% legal :p

Or LCC "the poor man's ccw"

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=163061

jcaoloveshine
07-29-2009, 12:38 AM
Dumb way of jeopardizing your education and career, if im not mistaken VDC is reserved for grad students in masters or PhD programs.

Buildings 402-406 are for grad and PhD students, everything from 616-64x are all undergrad.

He was in one of the 400s, which is really close to where my undergrad housing is in VDC.

One of my friends has him as his summer session professor, he teaches Math 4 (Linear Algebra/Multivar Calc for Economists) which I took over spring quarter with the regular prof. He talked about this in class on Monday apparently.

Nessal
07-29-2009, 2:40 AM
That guy is an example of what NOT to do. But was there REALLY a need for that cop to wield an AR15? Really? Maybe for intimidation factor? If there was a firefight going on, I could understand. But you can tell that the cop was really relaxed. I don't know but that seems a bit overboard to me. Maybe he just wanted to be taticool. Who knows.

Huzar
07-29-2009, 6:16 AM
That guy is an example of what NOT to do. But was there REALLY a need for that cop to wield an AR15? Really? Maybe for intimidation factor? If there was a firefight going on, I could understand. But you can tell that the cop was really relaxed. I don't know but that seems a bit overboard to me. Maybe he just wanted to be taticool. Who knows.

I can't believe that this discussion got so drawn out. Lets simplify this: folks have been known to go nuts @ schools: Columbine, Virginia Tech to name the few. What does that mean? That means that if a PD gets a call saying: there is a kid threatening me with guns on campus (cause that's probably how the call from those individuals sounded like) they'll send the cavalry ASAP. Why AR15? Cause long gun is better for confronting threats. That "professor" was a moron and yes, the vid looks SO staged it's not even funny. I tip my hat to the PD for handling it the way they did (yeah they might have done couple things a little bit differently when it comes to tactics... but hindsight is.... ;) ) Oh yeah... seems shooters nowadays seem to wear body armor every so often... another reason to bring an AR (though I think I'd prefer an 870 with slugs ;) but there there might be even a bigger issue of overpenetration )

Oh yeah, forget the 2A and non 2A issues. This call had nothing to do with that. He threatened someone else with a gun. Granted he didn't wave it around but he asked if he needs to bring them to make reps of the dorms (?) housing (?) leave. I'm very curious why they were there.... maybe someoen didn't pay his rent? ;) In any case, one SHOULD NEVER bring a gun (or threaten to) to a civil dispute to get "his way".

Ron-Solo
07-29-2009, 7:08 AM
It would be stupid to try (even w/ a CCW), but the way I read the code, the prohibition to a gun in a courthouse doesn't apply if you have a CCW (assuming you're not a party to an action.) However, in reality, I think you would be told to get lost if you tried it.


(3) A person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant
to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2
of Part 4.
[/FONT]

Yeah, except 171b doesn't take into account a court order by the State Superior Courts that makes it a violation unless you have prior written permission from the Presiding Judge of the Court, making it a violation even for CCW holders, including retired peace officers.

As I've said before, look beyond the penal code 'weapons' laws before taking a course of action. There are a lot of different codes in California that you can run afoul of if you are not careful.

LA County courts have a zero tolerance policy. Bring a gun, go to jail. We've had a wide variety of people booked, including lawyers, witnesses, defendants, people trying to get restraining orders, traffic matters, you name it. Emotions run high at courthouses, so guns just don't mix well in those situations.

rkt88edmo
07-29-2009, 7:12 AM
One of my friends has him as his summer session professor, he teaches Math 4 (Linear Algebra/Multivar Calc for Economists) which I took over spring quarter with the regular prof. He talked about this in class on Monday apparently.

Hmmm...maybe he can map out some nice equi-utility surfaces of firearms, internet lolz, and kimchee in the Irvine area.

Doheny
07-29-2009, 9:22 AM
As I've said before, look beyond the penal code 'weapons' laws before taking a course of action. There are a lot of different codes in California that you can run afoul of if you are not careful.

Agreed!

Someoneelseok
08-17-2009, 2:42 PM
My friend's professor had a run in with the UCI Police Department, they showed up with what appears to be an AR w/ a Suppressor ?

The guy in the video is a Math professor that carries a constitution on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ELNM-MQXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ELNM-MQXg

technique
08-17-2009, 2:45 PM
dupe.

BONECUTTER
08-17-2009, 2:46 PM
Yup lots of UCI and Irvine PD have suppressors on their AR these days. Its a smart move. The last time a Irvine PD officer fired an AR indoors he damaged his ears so badly that after medical bills and time off buying suppressors is a small investment.

GoingPro
08-17-2009, 2:51 PM
man thats pretty damn cool...

Wayneard3413
08-17-2009, 2:52 PM
"I was SWAT teamed for it" :rofl2:

scott.cr
08-17-2009, 2:52 PM
I don't see a problem with this either. There's actually published MIL spec for noise limits, MIL-STD-1474D, which is specifically for hearing conservation. Not all of it is for firearms but there's enough there for suppressor mfgs to go by.

http://www.combatindex.com/mil_docs/pdf/std/1400/MIL-STD-1474D.pdf

Untamed1972
08-17-2009, 2:53 PM
Gotta love campus cops......they always over-react to everything.

Wayneard3413
08-17-2009, 2:56 PM
I personally don't see their response as overreacting... They arrived on scene, got him in custody with a reasonable amount of force and then proceeded to clear the apartment

1811
08-17-2009, 2:56 PM
Nah bro that's a SPIKES FAKE CAN...:)

strangerdude
08-17-2009, 2:58 PM
Those cops need to take a chill pill.

Wayneard3413
08-17-2009, 3:00 PM
Care to elaborate on that a bit?

ocabj
08-17-2009, 3:01 PM
I thought the guy in the video was severely irritating. Not to mention the fact that he has to throw in "The Constitution" and "I pay taxes" every other sentence.

Why is it that every person with a complaint about Fed/State/City employees always argue with "I pay taxes"? Jesus Christ that's irritating. I've had students make complaints about computing services/access/support at UCR using the whole "I pay taxes". You know what? So do I. So by definition, I'm paying my own salary...

Someoneelseok
08-17-2009, 3:02 PM
i just like the cop's reaction /face when the prof hands him copy of the U.S. Constitution.

Untamed1972
08-17-2009, 3:04 PM
I personally don't see their response as overreacting... They arrived on scene, got him in custody with a reasonable amount of force and then proceeded to clear the apartment

Why should the RP/victim of a crime be placed in custody when he calls for police assistance?

If he was the one who called to request police assistance about unauthorized persons in his apartment......then yes....they over-reacted in the way the treated the RP.

When a person calls the police to report being the victim of a possible crime they should not have to expect to be treated like a criminal when the police arrive.

What I saw was not what I would call a primo example of police professionalism.

cmace22
08-17-2009, 3:04 PM
Irvine cops are soo bored they have to invent things to pull you over for. i once was pulled over because my plate was too old....... not my registration, my plate!

This is just another reason to play with there toys...

strangerdude
08-17-2009, 3:06 PM
Care to elaborate on that a bit?

First of all, he was the one that called and the female officer wanted to turn his apartment upside down for no reason.

1811
08-17-2009, 3:08 PM
I always get the "I KNOW MY RIGHTS!"

I simply say..."well what are they..."

then...SILENCE...:rolleyes:

Jwood562
08-17-2009, 3:08 PM
haha so this guy threatend someone that he was going to get a gun and he wonders why the cops show up and handcuff him.

BTW Ido not think that was the "SWAT team" :)

SMGLee
08-17-2009, 3:09 PM
I personally don't see their response as overreacting... They arrived on scene, got him in custody with a reasonable amount of force and then proceeded to clear the apartment

I think that is over reacting on all count...

and you have to love the Asian cop with the decked out AR...standing in the tunnel of death looking in... sure.. let the white cops with pistols going in first...lol,, Keystone looks like professionals compare to them...

Those are the kind of attitude and behavior, if one day we lost our rights to bear arms, they will have no problem knocking and make entry into your house.

Jwood562
08-17-2009, 3:10 PM
The police were actually pretty tame. he should have been proned out at gunpoint

but he was not the RP. He stated "I was trying to call you guys." The other peson called who he threatend with "getting a gun"

Wayneard3413
08-17-2009, 3:11 PM
Why should the RP/victim of a crime be placed in custody when he calls for police assistance?

How long was he in custody? They secured the scene and then proceeded with their investigation.

strangerdude
08-17-2009, 3:11 PM
I think that is over reacting on all count...

and you have to love the Asian cop with the decked out AR...standing in the tunnel of death looking in... sure.. let the white cops with pistols going in first...lol,, Keystone looks like professionals compare to them...

Those are the kind of attitude and behavior, if one day we lost our rights to bear arms, they will have no problem knocking and make entry into your house.

I don't see what race has to do with it, but yes he could have at least positioned himself behind a car.

1811
08-17-2009, 3:12 PM
...handcuff first...

questions later...I don't want you guys and gals reading about me...

Wayneard3413
08-17-2009, 3:13 PM
I believe he was referring to when they entered the Apt... Apparently SGMLee feels that the officer totting the suppressed AR should have went in first instead of acting as a cover officer

Someoneelseok
08-17-2009, 3:14 PM
Care to elaborate on that a bit?

The professor lived in Vista del Campo, an on-campus student housing complex. As a professor he's its a contract violation (under the table sub-lease)

One day these maintenance workers came entered the apartment to change the door locks to get locked him out. He objected. He took out a tripod, and the maintenance workers (thought he was setting up a machine gun?) ran for it.

strangerdude
08-17-2009, 3:14 PM
I believe he was referring to when they entered the Apt... Apparently SGMLee feels that the officer totting the suppressed AR should have went in first instead of acting as a cover officer

I think having a more precise firearm below Is better.

SMGLee
08-17-2009, 3:20 PM
I think having a more precise firearm below Is better.

a more capable firearm....

Besides..I am just having fun at the expense of those school cops...sometimes a lot of people can not handle the responsibility of actually having some power, so they abuse it....

Untamed1972
08-17-2009, 3:20 PM
I always get the "I KNOW MY RIGHTS!"

I simply say..."well what are they..."

then...SILENCE...:rolleyes:


Well officer according to the Heller decision I have an individual right to keep and bears arms in my home for self defense. And according to CA law I am presumed to have sufficient fear of imminent death or GBI if there is an unauthorized person in my home. Therefore I could have shot the man where he stood if I chose too.....but I chose a lesser means of force which was threatening to shoot said person if they didn't leave. So I would appreciate it if you'd stop treating me like a criminal and start treating me like a crime victim.

Nuff said?

Threatening to shoot an intruder in your home is not a crime nor should a person who does so be treated like a criminal when police arrive. I'm not saying they shouldn't be cautious, but they shouldn't be proning crime victims out one the ground either. Their were enough officers there to control that scene w/o going to that extreme.

classical_buff
08-17-2009, 3:23 PM
Were they the UCI Campus police or Irvine PD?

If they are UCI Campus police, I am not least surprised by the video.
I went to UCI and remember how they behaved toward students.
I have really good story about UCI Campus police but I am not sure if I should share...

strangerdude
08-17-2009, 3:25 PM
Were they the UCI Campus police or Irvine PD?

If they are UCI Campus police, I am not least surprised by the video.
I went to UCI and remember how they behaved toward students.
I have really good story about UCI Campus police but I am not sure if I should share...

Apparently there is no negative talk allowed about the popo, I don't see why they are glorified though.

Dangerous1
08-17-2009, 3:25 PM
OT because my post will not have anything to do with suppressors. However these LEO reacted to this situation I thank them for saving one girl's life. A girl that I had dated was a new resident of Irvine as a student of UCI. She was kidnapped and the suspect ended up getting shot and dying. She later on was attributed in finding one of the 15 HIV proteins. She may potentially save millions of lives. Weird how things work out.

joemama
08-17-2009, 3:34 PM
Ya that thing was so long he'd probably turn a corner and put a hole in the wall with the supressor before he got a shot off haha. The whole thing seemed a little to much but that guy didnt help things by arguing with all the cops.

fonionrings
08-17-2009, 3:37 PM
You do realize that it is cheaper to live in campus provided housing than it is to live somewhere else right? Some students simply cannot afford to live anywhere else while attending a university.

Don't know where you all went to college, but UCSD's on-campus housing was significantly (outrageously) more expensive than off-campus housing. As in, off-campus housing in wealthy La Jolla, 2 blocks from campus.

hnoppenberger
08-17-2009, 5:45 PM
too many liberals in this forum you guys buy into the fact that its all cool.

thebronze
08-17-2009, 5:50 PM
and yet there he is in his own video saying that he did make the call.


He said that he was "trying" to call, he didn't say he called. He tried to insinuate that he was the one that called, when he wasn't. The maint. guys were actually the ones that called.

This guy (in the video) is an idiot.

thebronze
08-17-2009, 5:58 PM
And why not? Both are rights guaranteed to you by the Constitution.


Really? Where does the Constitution say that you have a right to be a DemocRat or a Republican?

CalNRA
08-17-2009, 6:15 PM
Don't know where you all went to college, but UCSD's on-campus housing was significantly (outrageously) more expensive than off-campus housing. As in, off-campus housing in wealthy La Jolla, 2 blocks from campus.

same story with most UCs these days. In the late 80s a limited number of the the student housing of campus could be had for cheap for qualified students but these days campus owned housing is a revenue generator for the state.

locosway
08-17-2009, 10:51 PM
Do I have stories about Irvine PD... ;)

So, is it only UCI that has a ban on firearms or most colleges? I haven't seen any signs or papers about it at the community college and I've been LUCC, but I keep it in my truck.

Librarian
08-17-2009, 11:11 PM
Do I have stories about Irvine PD... ;)

So, is it only UCI that has a ban on firearms or most colleges? I haven't seen any signs or papers about it at the community college and I've been LUCC, but I keep it in my truck.

State law bans them, unless you get permission from the administration or you have CCW. Part of the GFSZ (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Gun_Free_School_Zones) code. Felony - 1, 2, or 3 years in state pen.

locosway
08-17-2009, 11:14 PM
Wow, how lame is that. So, if something goes down I'm just at the mercy of who ever...

I'll probably still LUCC.

retired
08-17-2009, 11:29 PM
I have no sound on my laptop...what exactly is being said?

They are talking about you and your new rainbow tat.:p:D

Seesm
08-18-2009, 12:13 AM
Ya that thing was so long he'd probably turn a corner and put a hole in the wall with the supressor before he got a shot off haha. The whole thing seemed a little to much but that guy didnt help things by arguing with all the cops.

:) Right.. Funny...

Doheny
08-18-2009, 7:09 PM
There's a lot more to this story. The TA was actually illegally sub-renting his apartment. The housing office found out and called for the locksmiths to change the lock. They knocked, but were ignored.

The locksmiths make entry into the house then the TA starts trying to get them to leave. The TA says "what do I have to do to get you to leave, get a gun"? He then goes into the bedroom and gets a black duffel bag which has a tripod in it (so now it looks like the bag has a rifle.) The locksmiths beat feet and call the cops.

The locksmiths can make entry into the apartment at the request of the housing office, if anyone is wondering about that.

I'm sure the TA didn't tell his class that portion of the story.

Huzar
08-18-2009, 8:30 PM
There's a lot more to this story. The TA was actually illegally sub-renting his apartment. The housing office found out and called for the locksmiths to change the lock. They knocked, but were ignored.

The locksmiths make entry into the house then the TA starts trying to get them to leave. The TA says "what do I have to do to get you to leave, get a gun"? He then goes into the bedroom and gets a black duffel bag which has a tripod in it (so now it looks like the bag has a rifle.) The locksmiths beat feet and call the cops.

The locksmiths can make entry into the apartment at the request of the housing office, if anyone is wondering about that.

I'm sure the TA didn't tell his class that portion of the story.
Why am I not suprised?

nodeone
08-18-2009, 8:42 PM
Isn't changing the locks on a tenant considered a self-help eviction and illegal in CA?

Huzar
08-18-2009, 9:07 PM
Isn't changing the locks on a tenant considered a self-help eviction and illegal in CA?

I believe it's more complicated then that but the bottom line is he created the situation and then told half the story......

acheron800
08-18-2009, 10:36 PM
There's a lot more to this story. The TA was actually illegally sub-renting his apartment. The housing office found out and called for the locksmiths to change the lock. They knocked, but were ignored.

The locksmiths make entry into the house then the TA starts trying to get them to leave. The TA says "what do I have to do to get you to leave, get a gun"? He then goes into the bedroom and gets a black duffel bag which has a tripod in it (so now it looks like the bag has a rifle.) The locksmiths beat feet and call the cops.

The locksmiths can make entry into the apartment at the request of the housing office, if anyone is wondering about that.

I'm sure the TA didn't tell his class that portion of the story.

The locksmiths made illegal entry, school should have served 3 day notice to quit, then gone through the eviction process where the sheriff gets involved.

If the school accepted money from the man, even $.01, he has a right to be there until he is evicted.

Did you forget? We live in CA where the renters have ALL the rights, even if they are trespassing illegally.

You cant just go into an apartment and change locks... well maybe if you have your own PD you can.. :rolleyes:

Jon Se
08-19-2009, 1:45 AM
Makes me glad that I live off campus. My rights are not violated and I live in a quieter, cheaper, and more comfortable environment.

Dr. Peter Venkman
08-19-2009, 2:25 AM
I've never been a fan of the laws of man trumping the laws of nature. Banning guns in a rental or a lease should not be legal IMHO.

Doheny
08-19-2009, 3:05 AM
Did you forget? We live in CA where the renters have ALL the rights, even if they are trespassing illegally.

You cant just go into an apartment and change locks... well maybe if you have your own PD you can.. :rolleyes:

Hey...don't shoot the messenger. I'm sure this wasn't Housing's first rodeo; no doubt illegally subleasing is something that will get you locked out/evicted immediately. It's likely in the housing rules and the agreement he signed.

bigcalidave
08-19-2009, 8:37 AM
Immediately still means 3 day notice. There is no circumstance (beyond domestic violence restraining order) where you can get someone immediately evicted.

Glock22Fan
08-19-2009, 8:53 AM
Maybe they had given him three days notice, he seems to be somewhat economical with the truth.

B Strong
08-19-2009, 4:38 PM
There's a lot more to this story. The TA was actually illegally sub-renting his apartment. The housing office found out and called for the locksmiths to change the lock. They knocked, but were ignored.

The locksmiths make entry into the house then the TA starts trying to get them to leave. The TA says "what do I have to do to get you to leave, get a gun"? He then goes into the bedroom and gets a black duffel bag which has a tripod in it (so now it looks like the bag has a rifle.) The locksmiths beat feet and call the cops.

The locksmiths can make entry into the apartment at the request of the housing office, if anyone is wondering about that.

I'm sure the TA didn't tell his class that portion of the story.

Thank you - I knew that there had to be more to this story, and the locksmith on scene sure sounded like landlord action.

Maestro Pistolero
08-19-2009, 4:53 PM
The tactics of the cop with the AR were horrendous. If that camera were a firearm wielded by an aggressor, that cop would have been toast.

acheron800
08-19-2009, 8:05 PM
Hey...don't shoot the messenger. I'm sure this wasn't Housing's first rodeo; no doubt illegally subleasing is something that will get you locked out/evicted immediately. It's likely in the housing rules and the agreement he signed.

Im not shooting the messenger you are spewing information that you know nothing about, I manage over 150 units on 10+ properties.

No 3 day notice and no EVICTION = NO CHANGE OF LOCKS.

And it "might" have been their first rodeo involving a TA staying in student housing.

IF SO, they might have jumped the gun and tried to sweep away the problem real quick.

If it was a legitimate EVICTION, which would have occurred after a 3 day notice AND after a eviction court hearing, the sheriff would have been PRESENT at the scene.

Since there was no sheriff when the locksmiths showed up, that leads me to believe that there was no eviction and the school jumped the gun.

I hope the guy takes them to court and wins, no matter how much of a douchebag the guy is.

Im sick of the state thinking they are higher than the average citizen, IF I have to serve 3 day notices, wait + or - 3 weeks for eviction process and spend $750 + (a possible $400) for an attorney to evict and do the paperwork, then so must the state.

Doheny
08-20-2009, 4:07 AM
Im not shooting the messenger you are spewing information that you know nothing about, I manage over 150 units on 10+ properties.

How many of those units are on a UC campus? The tenants (students, TAs, whatever) agree to certain rules and conditions as part of the housing agreement.

Move along now...there's a clogged sink in apartment 104...

:cowboy:

acheron800
08-20-2009, 6:35 PM
How many of those units are on a UC campus? The tenants (students, TAs, whatever) agree to certain rules and conditions as part of the housing agreement.

Move along now...there's a clogged sink in apartment 104...

:cowboy:

Doesn't matter if they are UC campus or not. Ca law is ca law and everybody must follow it.

Yes that means the gov must follow their own laws.

You can't kick a tenant off a property without following the process of eviction, even if there was something the contract. State law supercedes any mutual agreement.

PLUS the worst part of your argument is you are assuming there is some sort of sidd agreement, which isn't even valid since there are laws that protect tenants to prevent landlords from doing this.

The facts go as so....

Locksmiths trying to change locks.

No officer present - therefore no eviction served.

Guy says something about firearm.

Cops are called. (they wouldn't have been called if there was an officer present)

Based on the facts the UC is in the wrong for trying to change locks on a tenant without notice and can be facing a possible lawsuit.

It isn't the guys fault for being allowed into the apt illegally. It is the UCs fault for not doing their job correctly.

Shadowdrop
08-20-2009, 11:26 PM
UCIPD has toys up the arse. They keep shotguns between the front seats and their ARs in the trunk of the Crown Vics and the back storage area of their Suburban. How do I know? They always forget them there when they leave their cars at the mechanic's shop, oops! I worked there for 1.5 years. Before that, I was a shuttle driver and was almost run off the road with a bus full of students while UCIPD responded Code 3 to the book store...for a kid stealing a backpack.