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HunterJim
07-28-2009, 11:45 AM
with a .45 Colt single action replica!

This piece is from the VCDL mailing list (www.vcdl.org) and was forwarded by a fellow Gunsite grad and VCDL member in Virginia.

jim

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1. Exclusive: I met with the gun owner who saved lives in the Richmond
Golden Market shooting last week
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On Friday I received a surprise call from the gun owner who has been in
the press this week for saving lives at a Richmond store. The gun owner
used a replica 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt with a 7 1/2 inch barrel
to stop a criminal who had shot the store's owner.
He wanted to remain anonymous, but called so that the story could be set
straight, as much of what was in the press wasn't accurate.
Board member Dennis O'Connor and I ended up meeting with him today
(Saturday) at the Golden Market store, where the shooting had taken place
one week earlier.
Besides being able to actually see the layout of the store, Dennis and I
got to see the security videos of the shooting!
We also got to meet the store owner who had been shot twice during the
hold up, but is now back at his store. More on this great man later.
Here is what we know from talking to the gun owner and watching the
videos:
The gun owner (GO) was in the store waiting in line to pay for an item
when the bad guy (BG) came in wearing dark sunglasses and trying to
coverup his face while brandishing a revolver. The BG yelled for everyone
to get down and before anybody could react, immediately walked over to the
store owner and in a cold-blooded fashion shot him twice. The owner then
dropped down behind the counter. It wasn't more than 2 seconds after the
BG first walked in the doors that he shot the store owner.
Those shots at the store owner missed a teenage boy's head by inches.
The GO yelled for the BG to drop his gun as the GO drew his gun. The BG
opened fire on the GO. The GO returned fire, hitting the BG as the GO
dove hard for the floor behind some barrels full of ice and drinks.
The BG ran towards the back of the store, aiming his gun at an innocent
man laying prone on the floor. Luckily the BG was too distracted by the
GO to shoot the man. There is no doubt in my mind that the man would have
been shot in cold blood that day if it weren't for that GO returning fire.
The BG kept trying to get to the front of the store by walking up various
aisles and firing shots at the GO as he did so. At one point cans of
tinned meat exploded on a shelf as the BG took a shot at the GO.
What was bizarre was that the BG actually was strutting around like he
owned the place while under fire! As he approached the front of one
aisle, he again pointed a gun at a person on the ground and was about to
execute him, when he was again distracted by the GO.
Finally the GO spotted the BG at the front of an aisle standing in the
open.
Much to his surprise, the GO discovered that when he dove hard for the
floor he had somehow broken the trigger on his gun!
But the gun was a single action, so the GO pushing himself up with one
arm, aimed the gun, pulled the hammer back and let it fly forward - twice.
Although seriously wounded three times, the BG came at the GO. The BG
tried to grab the GO's gun since the BG's gun was out of ammunition. A
life-and-death struggle began. The GO got a grip on the BG's gun and the
GO hit the BG twice hard on the temple with the 7 1/2" barrel on his
rather heavy gun.
The BG finally broke off the engagement, tried to run out the front door,
but collapsed at the door.
The GO secured the BG's gun and keeping an eye on the now unconscious bad
guy, called 9-1-1.
The BG has now died (he was in critical condition since the shooting).
The police showed up a minute or so after the 9-1-1 call and initially had
everyone in the store at gun point and handcuffed some until they could
figure out who was who.
What really impressed me was that on the surveillance video, the owner,
while shot twice by the BG, was walking around making sure that all of his
customers were OK after the shooting had ended. He only let himself
collapse after he was sure they were OK! Words fail me on this. I am so
glad that he made it. What a dichotomy - a BG who shoots an innocent
person without provocation, almost killing a teenager while doing so -
caring for no one but himself. And then the store owner who, while
seriously wounded, making sure his customers were OK. Evil exists and so
does Good. Both were on display in those two minutes of terror. Luckily
only the bad guy was killed. The owner was walking with a limp, clearly
in some pain. :-(
A lot of people owe their lives to that GO. However, he is having none of
it, saying that he simply did what he had to do.
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The GO wanted me to share the following points:
* Buy a quality gun - don't use some cheap $90 gun to protect your life.
He considered his gun to be a good one and even then the trigger broke
under the extreme stress of a life-and-death battle.
* Practice with your gun, get training, and be good with that gun.
* More and more BGs are choosing to kill in cold blood to get what they
want. If they can't live the "good life, " then they don't care if their
crimes send them to jail.
* He also noted that fewer and fewer BGs are getting any jail time.
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Here are my thoughts from watching that tape:
* Talk about a cold-blooded, fast attack where an innocent was shot
without warning! Unbelievable. Situational awareness is really
important. Luck doesn't hurt, either.
* Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw
just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire.
You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically - you'll be the
first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and
he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner.
* I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE
45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous
injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all!
In fact he was strutting like a peacock who owned the place as he was
walking up and down the aisles trying to get to a position where he could
shoot the GO. As a gun owner, you need to be prepared for that
eventuality and keep shooting the BG in his center of mass until he stops
his attack. Don't think one shot, or even two shots, are going to do it.
And a head shot might well be what it takes to stop such an attack
quickly.
* If you are out of ammunition, a gun does make a great weapon with which
to bludgeon someone in hand-to-hand combat.
* This shooting bolstered both sides of the argument about how much
ammunition one should carry. The good guy got off only four shots (of
course his gun had a broken trigger and that didn't help). The bad guy
got off six shots and ran out of ammunition (thankfully). But in my mind,
and having had some advanced training, I think an extra magazine for a
semi-auto, or a reloader for a revolver, is a good idea. WIth someone
like the BG above, if you run out of ammunition before he does, he will
execute you. Period.

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spencerhut
07-28-2009, 12:12 PM
Great Story!

We never shoot to kill. Always, shoot to stop. Shoot until the bad guy stops. <<Period

lobonegro
07-28-2009, 12:41 PM
:dupe: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=204202&highlight=colt

Pvt. Cowboy
07-28-2009, 5:25 PM
The GO yelled for the BG to drop his gun as the GO drew his gun.

If I had no choice but to get involved, I sure as hell wouldn't be warning the bad guy that I was about to shoot him.

DRM6000
07-28-2009, 6:20 PM
If I had no choice but to get involved, I sure as hell wouldn't be warning the bad guy that I was about to shoot him.

it's make you look like the good guy when the witness statements are taken by the police. "the guy told the robber to drop the gun and and he didn't. he had no choice but to shoot him."

looks good in front of a jury if the survivors sue. you aren't made out to be cold-blooded killer who shot without warning.

yellowfin
07-28-2009, 6:38 PM
Personally I'd rather live than look good.

Pvt. Cowboy
07-28-2009, 8:38 PM
it's make you look like the good guy when the witness statements are taken by the police. "the guy told the robber to drop the gun and and he didn't. he had no choice but to shoot him."

looks good in front of a jury if the survivors sue. you aren't made out to be cold-blooded killer who shot without warning.

He was already shooting people.

M. Sage
07-28-2009, 9:19 PM
Personally I'd rather live than look good.

+1. Always cheat, always win.

HondaMasterTech
07-28-2009, 11:06 PM
Dupe... I hate Dupers...

steelrain82
07-29-2009, 12:05 AM
he should have shot the bad guy and at the same time said put your gun down or ill shoot. i think he did the right thing though by saying something first to give the guy a chance to drop his weapon. just in case the bg lived the go wouldnt go to jail instead

popndrop
07-29-2009, 12:25 AM
I was in Virginia a couple months back and ran into a guy who was open carrying. We were at a vineyard in VA, there was some sort of Dog owners/Wine Drinkers event going on that we happened upon. The guy at the table next to me was Strapped with a Mid-sized 1911 of some sort, so I went up and asked him what he was carrying. It turned out to be a Kimber, and he took some time to tell me about the OC laws in VA - he had a nice little card printed out with all the legal info and laws on it, along with his contact info and an OC website. Although it was a winery, he wasn't drinking. His wife and friend were, but he was just hanging out with them and their dog.
I look forward to the day where we can have that option in CA...the option to defend ourselves and others legally.

HunterJim
07-29-2009, 2:49 PM
Dupe... I hate Dupers...

I hate thread crappers... <---humor jim