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waitwha?
07-27-2009, 5:51 PM
I heard from my other thread that I have on here that they sometimes ask if you own any guns when they interview you to become a cop. Particularly I heard that they ask if you own any assault style guns. Some have also said that if you answer yes, they may think you are a gun nut and it may hurt your chances of becoming an officer. Is this true?

fullrearview
07-27-2009, 5:58 PM
Are you applying for Obama's Brown shirts????

J/K

Have not heard of that being true, just speculation.

fuegoslow
07-27-2009, 6:00 PM
Yes, I was in the Process for LAPD, and you had to list every weapon, be it handgun or rifle. When doing the face to face, my list of weapons didn't attract as much attention as my Utah CCW, which I had to disclose with photocopies, front & back. That was an interesting conversation as the interviewer questioned why I needed one, why I GOT one, did I travel to Utah for it and can anyone "Off the Street" get one as he put it. Needless to say, the hiring process for me ended shortly thereafter.

1911su16b870
07-27-2009, 6:05 PM
There are lots of LE agencies, some care about your firearm ownership, some do not care as much!

Your integrity is more a concern than firearms.

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 6:06 PM
Hard question to answer. I really don't recall, it's been so long. Best answer I would give is , "Yes, my father taught me how to hunt birds and deer as a teenager. I took the hunter safety classes, and own a rifle and a shotgun. I also own a pistol for recreational target shooting."

Do not come off sounding like you're queer for guns, recite your favorite loads, calibers, grams, etc. Do not have Soldier of Fortune, Guns and Ammo, Tactical Firearm magazines laying around when the background investigator comes to your house. Hide all guns. Likewise with any police scanners.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 6:17 PM
They come to your house to interview you?

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 6:22 PM
They come to your house to interview you?

I tested for 3 departments. All 3 background investigators came to visit me at my house, then went door to door to speak with my neighbors about how long, how well, they knew me, and about my character.


Later when I assisted in a few background investigations, I leaned a few tips. The investigator will wad up a piece of scratch paper to have a reason to throw it in your wastebasket. While doing that, he's looking for cig butts, beer bottles, or porn mags that you hastilly tossed in there prior to his arrival. Police scanners are a big "Tackleberry" turn-off. They are also looking at your attention to detail as far as cleanliness goes. Beds made, dust, dirty dishes in the sink etc.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 6:27 PM
Damn. I didnt know that. Any other tips you can give me? I still live with my parents until I finish school. I wonder if that would be a bad thing. My neighbor works for weinerschnitzel and the house across the street from us I doubt they speak english.

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 6:30 PM
Damn. I didnt know that. Any other tips you can give me? I still live with my parents until I finish school. I wonder if that would be a bad thing. My neighbor works for weinerschnitzel and the house across the street from us I doubt they speak english.

Not a big deal. I was fresh out of the Army, and living with my parents too. Hope you were a good kid. All my neighbors had known me since Kindergarten, so I couldn't hide anything. But then while mischevious, I had always been a good kid.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 6:34 PM
I dont think any of my neighbors will have anything to complain about. Well the house behind us did call the cops on me once since I was messing around with my airsoft gun in the backyard. That was probably 2 years ago though. I hope they don't bring that up...... DOH! What kinda questions do they ask you besides the gun question?

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 6:38 PM
I dont think any of my neighbors will have anything to complain about. Well the house behind us did call the cops on me once since I was messing around with my airsoft gun in the backyard. That was probably 2 years ago though. I hope they don't bring that up...... DOH! What kinda questions do they ask you besides the gun question?

Ya know it's been over 30 years. But kind of like a mini-oral interview. He'll have your application with him, and may want to ask you a few questions about things that you gave obtuse answers to. It's pretty casual though, not intense at that stage.

soldier07110
07-27-2009, 7:13 PM
I'm surprised to hear how thorough it is to become an LEO. I would have never known this. I have a friend who's going out for LAPD as we speak and it seems the most extensive thing they've done with him is a polygraph test, which even that surprised me. It's good to know how serious they take the process though, good luck to you.

indetrucks
07-27-2009, 7:16 PM
I have over 15 registered firearms from pistols to AW's and listed them all when applying.
Passed the background with ZERO questions, in fact the back ground investigator never even brought them up when he was over at the house.
This was recently for a CA State peace officer position.

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 7:17 PM
I'm surprised to hear how thorough it is to become an LEO. I would have never known this. I have a friend who's going out for LAPD as we speak and it seems the most extensive thing they've done with him is a polygraph test, which even that surprised me. It's good to know how serious they take the process though, good luck to you.

Well my information is a bit stale. LAPD was one one the departments I tested for. I got an offer from them, after I was half-way through another academy. It depends on the dept. What their resources and budget is, etc. It use to be done consistently with the larger depts. Perhaps a younger officer can chime in?

Gunaria
07-27-2009, 7:24 PM
So if one of the interview questions is, "Who is your favorite Police Academy character?" And if your response is Tackleberry, I suppose that would be a turn off too.:)

Jonathan Doe
07-27-2009, 7:34 PM
I had quite a few guns when I applied. That was a while back. It wasn't a factor at the time.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 7:39 PM
I have over 15 registered firearms from pistols to AW's and listed them all when applying.
Passed the background with ZERO questions, in fact the back ground investigator never even brought them up when he was over at the house.
This was recently for a CA State peace officer position.

I'm still kinda suprised that they actually come out to your house. Can you elaborate on the kinds of stuff they asked you and the kind of snooping they did at your house (like throwing the paper in the trash so they can look inside)?

Fire in the Hole
07-27-2009, 7:46 PM
Actually I think that based upon feed-back from academy instructors, the background investigators like to find someone that has shot guns and owned them. You would be amazed with our current generation how many recruits show up to the police academy without even the most basic of firearm knowledge. They don't know a shotgun from a rifle by looking at it, what makes the two different, a revolver from a semi. Basic nomenclature, that a .45 is bigger than a .22, etc. Some really get the shakes the first time they hold one. Then there's the driving EVOC. Academy instructors want recruits with lots of driving experience. They hate it when they tell the recruit, "Okay, now I want you to take this next turn at 100." The recruit gets Roger Rabbit eyes and spot their panties, as the instructor stomps on their foot to gain the necessary speed.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 7:48 PM
Actually I think that based upon feed-back from academy instructors, the background investigators like to find someone that has shot guns and owned them. You would be amazed with our current generation how many recruits show up to the police academy without even the most basic of firearm knowledge. They don't know a shotgun from a rifle by looking at it, what makes the two different, a revolver from a semi. Basic nomenclature, that a .45 is bigger than a .22, etc. Some really get the shakes the first time they hold one. Then there's the driving EVOC. Academy instructors want recruits with lots of driving experience. They hate it when they tell the recruit, "Okay, now I want you to take this next turn at 100." The recruit gets Roger Rabbit eyes and spot their panties, as the instructor stomps on their foot to gain the necessary speed.

Dang if that's the case then I should be a shoe in! I have gun knowledge and quite a bit of driving experience!

retired
07-27-2009, 9:19 PM
Mine came to my house also. He asked me a question that I wasn't expecting: "So, how many depts. did you apply for." When I told him how many, he asked me about the other 4 I had failed to mention.:eek:

I started testing in 1974 and IIRC, I applied at about 10 different depts. Back then there were few positions open and a lot of applicants. I would end up in the top 5 or so, but the smaller depts. only hired 1 or 2. I had just plain forgotten to list them.:o

Once I explained all of that, he was cool. He gave me a call about a week later and asked when I wanted to start the academy. I told him the next day, but I had to wait a month for it to start.;)

J_B
07-27-2009, 9:26 PM
My agency never even asked if I owned a gun, which I did. Then again, they had already knew the answer.

J_B
07-27-2009, 9:32 PM
I'm still kinda suprised that they actually come out to your house. Can you elaborate on the kinds of stuff they asked you and the kind of snooping they did at your house (like throwing the paper in the trash so they can look inside)?

They still come out as far as I know. They talk with your neighborhood, they more or less just talk to you at your home. Go over your PHQ or background packet. Get a feel as to how you present yourself while not dressed up in their environment. It's a feeler as to how you are at home.

Holy conspiracy theory...really? Throwing trash away so they can look in your garbage can?? This isn't the CIA, NSA blah blah blah. Never heard of it and if it happened, that's too weird. :)

SVT-40
07-28-2009, 12:41 AM
I'm still kinda suprised that they actually come out to your house. Can you elaborate on the kinds of stuff they asked you and the kind of snooping they did at your house (like throwing the paper in the trash so they can look inside)?

They will interview all of your family members, neighbors employers and especially ex girlfriends, ex wives and ex employers. They will look around in your room. I guess you could refuse them, but that would most likely be an automatic fail. Clean your room and make sure there are no embarrassing items around. You might also be sure to clean up your facebook, and my space pages of any comments about alcohol consumption, partying or similar unflattering comments.

Since this is the age of the computer they might also ask if you are a member of and online forums, groups or organizations.

If I was still doing backgrounds I would be sure to have the applicant log on to each site he or she regularly visited. I would then review his or her posts to be sure they were not involved in any potentially embarrassing or illegal activities.

if you submit to a background you give up your privacy rights. You will sign waivers allowing reviews at each of your prior schools and employers.

Basically a good background investigator will comb through the extensive background form you fill out looking for any lies. If he discovers any lie, you will in all likely hood fail.

the first question I always asked was how many other agencies have you applied for? and at what stage of the process did you either fail or opt out of the process. If the applicant said they failed a background. I would go to that agency and get copies of their background. If the "failure" was due to "cause" It was then easier to fail the applicant for the same reason than to conduct another full background. (this was always done after confirming the information on the other agencies background)

It was easy to determine this information, as when you are fingerprinted upon application the information is entered on your "RAP" sheet as applicant information showing the agencies you applied for.

As far as gun ownership is concerned, as long as they are legal and legally stored. I don't think most agencies would care one bit about the firearms you own. Proper storage shows maturity and knowledge of the law. Because you will be issued a weapon by the agency they would be concerned as to how you treat weapons. If you have guns just laying around , it could show a cavalier attitude about gun safety.

Always be BRUTALLY honest when filling out any background investigation packet. NEVER NEVER LIE.

cousinkix1953
07-28-2009, 1:03 AM
As far as gun ownership is concerned, as long as they are legal and legally stored. I don't think most agencies would care one bit about the firearms you own. Proper storage shows maturity and knowledge of the law. Because you will be issued a weapon by the agency they would be concerned as to how you treat weapons. If you have guns just laying around , it could show a cavalier attitude about gun safety.

Always be BRUTALLY honest when filling out any background investigation packet. NEVER NEVER LIE.
They have little choice except to ask these questions any more. One reckless SFPD officer left his department issued pistol lying around several years ago. One of the kids accidentally shot himself and the family tried to sue the gun manufacturer for wrongful death. They could have sued the city for issuing an unsafe (sic) handgun to it's officers too...

fullrearview
07-28-2009, 7:25 AM
My agency never even asked if I owned a gun, which I did. Then again, they had already knew the answer.

That's weird....they never did that with me....They did talk to neighbors though.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 7:28 AM
They will interview all of your family members, neighbors employers and especially ex girlfriends, ex wives and ex employers. They will look around in your room. I guess you could refuse them, but that would most likely be an automatic fail. Clean your room and make sure there are no embarrassing items around. You might also be sure to clean up your facebook, and my space pages of any comments about alcohol consumption, partying or similar unflattering comments.

Since this is the age of the computer they might also ask if you are a member of and online forums, groups or organizations.

If I was still doing backgrounds I would be sure to have the applicant log on to each site he or she regularly visited. I would then review his or her posts to be sure they were not involved in any potentially embarrassing or illegal activities.

if you submit to a background you give up your privacy rights. You will sign waivers allowing reviews at each of your prior schools and employers.

Basically a good background investigator will comb through the extensive background form you fill out looking for any lies. If he discovers any lie, you will in all likely hood fail.

the first question I always asked was how many other agencies have you applied for? and at what stage of the process did you either fail or opt out of the process. If the applicant said they failed a background. I would go to that agency and get copies of their background. If the "failure" was due to "cause" It was then easier to fail the applicant for the same reason than to conduct another full background. (this was always done after confirming the information on the other agencies background)

It was easy to determine this information, as when you are fingerprinted upon application the information is entered on your "RAP" sheet as applicant information showing the agencies you applied for.

As far as gun ownership is concerned, as long as they are legal and legally stored. I don't think most agencies would care one bit about the firearms you own. Proper storage shows maturity and knowledge of the law. Because you will be issued a weapon by the agency they would be concerned as to how you treat weapons. If you have guns just laying around , it could show a cavalier attitude about gun safety.

Always be BRUTALLY honest when filling out any background investigation packet. NEVER NEVER LIE.

Thanks for taking the time to type that out. When you say properly stored firearms, are you implying that they will ask to see them and check to make sure that they are properly stored? I have a pelican case that has locks on it. That's enough right?

Also, just curious, how do they manage to get in touch with ex girlfriends and ex employers and ex everything else?

Ron-Solo
07-28-2009, 7:46 AM
Everytime they talk to someone, they will get new names of poeple to contact, and so on, and so on...........

until they are satisfied that you meet their expectations.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 7:59 AM
As ar as ex-employers goes, that 's the easy one. You are required to list every single job you've ever had chronologically, with your supervisors name. They will contact all of them. If they think you are fudging, they contact the State Board of Equalization for your salary and witholding of taxes from you salary history

Ex-girlfirends adn ex-wifes: You will have to indicate any prior marriages or children. If you are paying alimony to 3 ex-wifes, and child support for a bunch of kids you fathered, you probably will get DQ'd.

Furthermore you will have to list any restraining orders issued against you. If you have had a vindictive girlfriend in your past, that did this to you, they will find out. Better just declare it up front.

When they talk to you neighbors, and ask if they've ever had any complaints about you such as loud parties, etc, one of them might say something like, "That guy and his old girlfriend were always fighting and yelling all the time. Sounded like they were throwing stuff." They will then come back to you for a follow-up of her name and last known address and phone number.

code33
07-28-2009, 8:35 AM
Your neighbors might not bring it up but you'll be asked.

Question #66 on the Personal History Statement:
Have the police ever been called to your home for any reason?

Review the PHS to see what you will have to disclose. There will be other questions outside of the PHS that will be asked and discussed.

The following page has the PHS and Medical History Statement:
http://www.post.ca.gov/Forms/Background_Hiring.asp


I dont think any of my neighbors will have anything to complain about. Well the house behind us did call the cops on me once since I was messing around with my airsoft gun in the backyard. That was probably 2 years ago though. I hope they don't bring that up...... DOH! What kinda questions do they ask you besides the gun question?

CSACANNONEER
07-28-2009, 8:37 AM
I had quite a few guns when I applied. That was a while back. It wasn't a factor at the time.

Yea, I doubt you would have made it into today's LASD. It just goes to show you that they are now loosing a lot of potentially great LEOs by using these interviewing practices.

gose
07-28-2009, 8:43 AM
Is it really an issue, or is it just something that people that got denied blame? If you get denied, do they give you a reason why?

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 8:44 AM
Your neighbors might not bring it up but you'll be asked.

Question #66 on the Personal History Statement:
Have the police ever been called to your home for any reason?

Review the PHS to see what you will have to disclose. There will be other questions outside of the PHS that will be asked and discussed.

The following page has the PHS and Medical History Statement:
http://www.post.ca.gov/Forms/Background_Hiring.asp

Well does it count if they came but didnt say anything to me? I saw them come and pull up infront of my house, but they just stood there for about a minute staring at my house, said something to each other, and then drove off. So if they asked me why I wouldnt have anything to tell them.

SkyStorm82
07-28-2009, 8:46 AM
Yea, I doubt you would have made it into today's LASD. It just goes to show you that they are now loosing a lot of potentially great LEOs by using these interviewing practices.

Actually he still would. LASD isn't one of the depts. that will freak out because someone owns a bunch of guns.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 8:56 AM
Well does it count if they came but didnt say anything to me? I saw them come and pull up infront of my house, but they just stood there for about a minute staring at my house, said something to each other, and then drove off. So if they asked me why I wouldnt have anything to tell them.


There has to be a reason for this, but I don't know for certain what it is. Perhaps they want to see what the exterior of you house looks like unannounced, then compare it to how it looks after they have made an appointment for a future specific date and time. Do you have a pit bull chained to a stake in your front yard? This would be the time to pick up after the dog, mow the yard, sweep the driveway, replace broken windows, take down the Confederate flag, remove any decals from the windows that say "This home insured by Smith & Wesson". These are the things that they were possibly looking for.

code33
07-28-2009, 8:57 AM
Perhaps they were called to do an area check and just happened to stop in front of your place to listen? Could be coincidence unless your neighbor said that the cops would be called on you.

You are probably worrying a little too much.

Well does it count if they came but didnt say anything to me? I saw them come and pull up infront of my house, but they just stood there for about a minute staring at my house, said something to each other, and then drove off. So if they asked me why I wouldnt have anything to tell them.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 9:25 AM
There has to be a reason for this, but I don't know for certain what it is. Perhaps they want to see what the exterior of you house looks like unannounced, then compare it to how it looks after they have made an appointment for a future specific date and time. Do you have a pit bull chained to a stake in your front yard? This would be the time to pick up after the dog, mow the yard, sweep the driveway, replace broken windows, take down the Confederate flag, remove any decals from the windows that say "This home insured by Smith & Wesson". These are the things that they were possibly looking for.

This happened like 2 years ago. I still currently havn't even started the process of applying to be a LEO. I'm still finishing college. They came I suspect because my neighbors called them on me but I honestly have no way of knowing. Two cars pulled up right in front of my driveway and parked there. I was standing in my garage working on my car and they didnt walk up or anything so I just continued doing what I was doing. They eventually just left after a minute or so. So should I answer yes to that question about the police being called to my house or no?

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 9:28 AM
Perhaps they were called to do an area check and just happened to stop in front of your place to listen? Could be coincidence unless your neighbor said that the cops would be called on you.

You are probably worrying a little too much.

Oh and the neighbors never said anything to me about anything. I could just be paranoid but I don't want something as silly as that to get me DQ'd on the background investigation.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 9:37 AM
This happened like 2 years ago. They came I suspect because my neighbors called them on me but I honestly have no way of knowing. Two cars pulled up right in front of my driveway and parked there. I was standing in my garage working on my car and they didnt walk up or anything so I just continued doing what I was doing. They eventually just left after a minute or so. So should I answer yes to that question about the police being called to my house or no?

Well you are throwing a couple of curve ball in now. I was under the impression that the investigators had come out recently within the past month or so. Were these LEO's in uniform in marked car? If so, they weren't background investigators. Were they in an unmarked car wearing suits? Then they might have been background investigators. Are you saying that you're still trying to get on a dept. that has taken over two years to complete its investigation of you? Your neighbors are not going to tell you that they called the cops on you. Why do you suspect that your neighbors had a reason to call the cops on you? What do you think you did?

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 10:27 AM
No. Ok i'll try to be more clear. I'm going to start the application process within the next 6 months or so. I have not submitted ANY sort of information or application at all yet. I'm just trying to get some information so I know what I can expect to encounter.

I stated previously that the neighbors might have called the cops on me because I was playing with an airsoft gun in my back yard. I have no evidence of this as I never talk to those neighbors and they have never said anything to me. This incident was over 2 years ago and I just remember two marked cars pulling up infront of my house. They didnt say anything to me or ask me any questions. They parked, stood there for about a minute looking around, said something to one another and drove away. I was standing around in my garage while the garage door was open the whole time and they didn't say anything to me.

Someone mentioned to me that there was a question that asked if the police have ever been called to your house. I'm just wondering what an appropriate and honest response would be to that question.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 10:40 AM
No. Ok i'll try to be more clear. I'm going to start the application process within the next 6 months or so. I have not submitted ANY sort of information or application at all yet. I'm just trying to get some information so I know what I can expect to encounter.

I stated previously that the neighbors might have called the cops on me because I was playing with an airsoft gun in my back yard. I have no evidence of this as I never talk to those neighbors and they have never said anything to me. This incident was over 2 years ago and I just remember two marked cars pulling up infront of my house. They didnt say anything to me or ask me any questions. They parked, stood there for about a minute looking around, said something to one another and drove away. I was standing around in my garage while the garage door was open the whole time and they didn't say anything to me.

Someone mentioned to me that there was a question that asked if the police have ever been called to your house. I'm just wondering what an appropriate and honest response would be to that question.

I might get some disagreement on this but... If the cops stopped and parked on the public street, did not enter your driveway, or speak to you, then I think you'd be safe in saying that to your knowledge the police have never been called on you. If they didn't speak to you or identify you, then there isn't an FI card on you in the computer. There may be something that pops up on your house number, but's that's all, and then again you have no direct knowledge of this. Maybe they were admiring the color scheme of the paint on your house. Maybe they were playing "Guess that shrub".

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Well they parked right infront of my driveway/house. They never entered my driveway at all. They just got out of their cars and stood next to each other. Looked around without actually walking anywhere, said something to each other, and left. They didnt say one word to me, I didnt tell them who I was and nothing really happened besides us staring at each other for a moment.

BTW, Whats a FI card?

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 11:02 AM
Well they parked right infront of my driveway/house. They never entered my driveway at all. They just got out of their cars and stood next to each other. Looked around without actually walking anywhere, said something to each other, and left. They didnt say one word to me, I didnt tell them who I was and nothing really happened besides us staring at each other for a moment.

BTW, Whats a FI card?

Field Interview Card. Used by LE whenever they talk to someone for information, but a crime report isn't taken. Size of an index card. I think you'd be safe with an answer of whether the policed have been called on you to say, "Not that I've ever heard of." Then stop.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 11:07 AM
Sounds good. When the time comes, I'll mark no on that question and if they ask, I'll say exactly what you have suggested.

Does anyone have any tips regarding the application process that might help me out? Any things you wish you could have done differently or mistakes that you made that were avoidable?

I'm thinking about applying for the cadet program for a year to get my foot in the door. any thoughts on that?

misplacedpants
07-28-2009, 11:26 AM
Tell the truth, They have some of the information in the questions already. "they" being the department you applied to.

misplacedpants
07-28-2009, 11:36 AM
During the background investigation they will dig up things that are not on the
questionnaire. Remember most,...if not all departments implement a lie-detector test in the hiring process. Telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth is always the best bet. The reason for this is you really never know what all they know about you. It could be something they already know about you that they decided would not DQ you, unless you lie to them about it.
Oh and I am not a LEO, I'm academy enrolled. I have thought about these issues long ago, and talked with LEO's on this subject and these are things they have told me.

1911su16b870
07-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Its all about integrity...think before you speak, say what you mean, do what you say, objectively look at the past and present, and allways tell the truth.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 12:05 PM
During the background investigation they will dig up things that are not on the
questionnaire. Remember most,...if not all departments implement a lie-detector test in the hiring process. Telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth is always the best bet. The reason for this is you really never know what all they know about you. It could be something they already know about you that they decided would not DQ you, unless you lie to them about it.
Oh and I am not a LEO, I'm academy enrolled. I have thought about these issues long ago, and talked with LEO's on this subject and these are things they have told me.

What kinda stuff did they ask you during the lie detector test?

misplacedpants
07-28-2009, 12:15 PM
Haven't taken one yet I am academy enrolled. Lie-detector test happens upon applying to a department. I am not employed by and agency as of yet.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Oh i got it now. Sorry Im not familiar with what the terms are yet. You have to pay for it yourself right? Is it expensive?

misplacedpants
07-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Yes as of now I will be paying for it myself, now that can change if I apply to a department looking for a Academy enrolled Trainee. If they Hire you when still in the Academy, then they will pick up the tab. It will cost around $3,000 in the end.

SVT-40
07-28-2009, 12:42 PM
What kinda stuff did they ask you during the lie detector test?

Before the poly or voice stress analysis (VSA) test you will again fill out a extensive questionnaire. The examiner will go through the questions with you before the test, then will ask them as you are being tested.


A big question is " Have you lied on any of the forms you have filled out related to your application with this department".

There will be questions about drug use.

Have you ever stolen anything?

Ect.


Once again COMPLETE HONESTY is the only policy.

If you are caught in a lie, Bye Bye from that department, and probably from any other department.

SVT-40
07-28-2009, 12:51 PM
Thanks for taking the time to type that out. When you say properly stored firearms, are you implying that they will ask to see them and check to make sure that they are properly stored? I have a pelican case that has locks on it. That's enough right?

Also, just curious, how do they manage to get in touch with ex girlfriends and ex employers and ex everything else?

Yes the BG investigator will probably ask for you to show him your firearms. That way he can verify that they are being legally stored.

Regarding Ex girlfriends and employers. As mentioned above you will be asked to provide this information. Also the BG investigator will ask all your references about these questions looking for omissions on your part.

I would always ask "Is there anyone else I should talk to regarding John Does potential employment as a police officer?" when I interviewed the friends and family of an applicant.

I would usually get a few names which were not listed by the applicant.

I don't remember if I mentioned it in my prior post, but excessive alcohol use would be frowned upon by most departments.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 12:53 PM
What if the lie detector says that you are lieing but you really aren't? Like you get really nervous for some reason.

Wait so you have to list everyone you know? When you say omission do you mean I may have omitted someone because I dont want you to talk to them? Potentially because they might say something bad about me?

code33
07-28-2009, 1:00 PM
Or the dept can save a few grand by doing the complete BGI and give the conditional offer pending successful academy graduation.

Yes as of now I will be paying for it myself, now that can change if I apply to a department looking for a Academy enrolled Trainee. If they Hire you when still in the Academy, then they will pick up the tab. It will cost around $3,000 in the end.

CSACANNONEER
07-28-2009, 1:00 PM
Actually he still would. LASD isn't one of the depts. that will freak out because someone owns a bunch of guns.

Good to know and good for them. Not wanting to hire someone like topgun7 just because he owns a gun or two would be a major loss for any dept.

code33
07-28-2009, 1:06 PM
Like if you were to leave out something in your employment history. Say you worked for a boss that you didn't get along with and left it out. While talking to a reference, this may come out.

Take a look at the link to the entire PHS that I linked earlier. This will answer a lot of your questions of what will be gone over during a BGI.

What if the lie detector says that you are lieing but you really aren't? Like you get really nervous for some reason.

Wait so you have to list everyone you know? When you say omission do you mean I may have omitted someone because I dont want you to talk to them? Potentially because they might say something bad about me?

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 1:10 PM
Will do. I appreciate all comments and tips that you guys are offering.

misplacedpants
07-28-2009, 1:17 PM
When I said it would cost about $3,000 in the end I was talking about the entire cost of the Basic P.O.S.T Academy. The funny.....but so true part of this is, that a greater share of it is ammunition cost. lol

SVT-40
07-28-2009, 3:36 PM
What if the lie detector says that you are lieing but you really aren't? Like you get really nervous for some reason.

Wait so you have to list everyone you know? When you say omission do you mean I may have omitted someone because I dont want you to talk to them? Potentially because they might say something bad about me?

The poly examiner will go over the test with you both before and after. If he has any additional questions he will ask them then. It's normal to be "nervous" when taking a poly. So that is taken into account.

No you don't list everyone you know, but a good number of people.

Yes, the BG investigator IS looking for people you would purposely not list on your BG form.

The whole point of a BG investigation is to search for skeletons in a persons closet. Departments want to know ALL about you BEFORE they spent a hundred and fifty thousand dollars training you.

Yes it cost at least that much to train a cop before he is out in the field on his own.

So it pays to do very in depth BG investigations to weed out bad candidates.

One other part of the selection process is a psychological exam. Another place where you might be cut.

Sometimes the Polygraph and psyc. exams are done before the BG investigation. This give the BG investigator additional information before he starts digging into your past.

If you have been "clean" and have no major problems in the past, and are honest during the process there will be no problems.

Just be honest. Most failures in the process are due to purposeful omissions or dishonesty.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 4:30 PM
Okay so bring me up to speed for my education. Back in the late 70's polygraphs were quite the rage. But I never had to take one, niether did any of my fellow cadet candidiates of the three largest big budget LE Depts. in the state. My psych. test consisted of a written test called the MMPPT (Minnesota Multi-Phasic Personality Test). This was for all 3 Depts. Supposedly, they could tell by the answers you give to 100 questions if you were crazy. We didn't have to talk to a psychologist. So, my question is this: Are polygraph and stress tetst done now on all candidates throughout the state?

SkyStorm82
07-28-2009, 4:54 PM
Good to know and good for them. Not wanting to hire someone like topgun7 just because he owns a gun or two would be a major loss for any dept.

Yeah....if a dept. was like that then it would probably be a dept. you don't really want to work at anyway.

indetrucks
07-28-2009, 5:20 PM
I'm still kinda suprised that they actually come out to your house. Can you elaborate on the kinds of stuff they asked you and the kind of snooping they did at your house (like throwing the paper in the trash so they can look inside)?

He never looked in my trash cans. In fact, the only room he visited other than the living room where the interview took place, was the bathroom. So sure, I guess he could have looked in there for dirty mags? lol

He based almost ALL his questions off the background packet I had filled out months prior. Basically repeated all the questions to see if I slipped up and possibly fibbed back when I filled it out (almost a year prior).

Some questions I remembered (not verbatim):
-Have you ever had sex with an under aged girl?
-Do you have any visible tattoos when wearing a short sleeve shirt?
-Have you done any drugs other than the Marijuana you listed back in High School?
Those are the ones I can remember, the others were pretty mellow.
Just tell the truth and make sure your dates are all in order.

It was about a 2hr interview. He recorded it onto a tape as well.
A few months later, I got the packet stating I passed the background.

Unfortunately I formally withdrew my submission. 6 months in the academy at mere peanuts and the starting pay would have been an almost 48% pay cut from what I'm making now. I would basically have to sell or rent out my house and sell all my toys in order to survive off the pay they were offering.

Just before he left, he also informed me that all the state employees had just taken a 10% pay cut and a mandatory 2 days per month off, unpaid.
So after he left on that note, and the promotion I received shortly after, I decided law enforcement in no way was worth what they wanted to pay me.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 5:27 PM
He never looked in my trash cans. In fact, the only room he visited other than the living room where the interview took place, was the bathroom. So sure, I guess he could have looked in there for dirty mags? lol

He based almost ALL his questions off the background packet I had filled out months prior. Basically repeated all the questions to see if I slipped up and possibly fibbed back when I filled it out (almost a year prior).

Some questions I remembered (not verbatim):
-Have you ever had sex with an under aged girl?
-Do you have any visible tattoos when wearing a short sleeve shirt?
-Have you done any drugs other than the Marijuana you listed back in High School?
Those are the ones I can remember, the others were pretty mellow.
Just tell the truth and make sure your dates are all in order.

It was about a 2hr interview. He recorded it onto a tape as well.
A few months later, I got the packet stating I passed the background.

Unfortunately I formally withdrew my submission. 6 months in the academy at mere peanuts and the starting pay would have been an almost 48% pay cut from what I'm making now. I would basically have to sell or rent out my house and sell all my toys in order to survive off the pay they were offering.

Just before he left, he also informed me that all the state employees had just taken a 10% pay cut and a mandatory 2 days per month off, unpaid.
So after he left on that note, and the promotion I received shortly after, I decided law enforcement in no way was worth what they wanted to pay me.

Question to me: "Have you ever fantisized about having non-consensual violent sex?"

My answer: "Umm...I wasn't aware that there was another kind."


I got the job.

NotEnoughGuns
07-28-2009, 9:50 PM
No offense to any LEOs here, but it seems like your interviewing for the Gestapo.

Fire in the Hole
07-28-2009, 10:10 PM
No offense to any LEOs here, but it seems like your interviewing for the Gestapo.




Are they hiring again? I thought their budget got trimmed back in the 40's.

cousinkix1953
07-29-2009, 1:10 AM
Field Interview Card. Used by LE whenever they talk to someone for information, but a crime report isn't taken. Size of an index card. I think you'd be safe with an answer of whether the policed have been called on you to say, "Not that I've ever heard of." Then stop.
I would assume that the question refers to the LEOs being dispatched to somebody's house, whether they were called by that resident or the neighbors. 9-1-1 dispatchers can look this information up in seconds. One of the most common things heard on a police scanner is, "how many times, or the last time", that a unit was sent to a particular address and why. On rare occasions, I've heard a reference to the resident having a registered AW or other guns in the house.

Restraining orders will pprobably DQ an applicant because they aren't allowed to posess firearms according to state law, and a 1998 Domestic Violence Gun Law. Dozens of LEOs lost their jobs after Congress passed this law more than a decade ago.

It wouldn't surprise if a few LEAs were DQing gun owners simply to keep those NRA types out of their departments. They can't afford to have some officers who are actively involved with gun rights; when the chief is a whore who supports the Brady Bunch's agenda. This battle was openly fought between a police chief and one of his sergeants in San Jose for several years. Lots of dirty tricks went on behind the scenes too...

alex00
07-29-2009, 3:00 AM
What if the lie detector says that you are lieing but you really aren't? Like you get really nervous for some reason.

Wait so you have to list everyone you know? When you say omission do you mean I may have omitted someone because I dont want you to talk to them? Potentially because they might say something bad about me?

When I took the CVSA (Computer Voice Stress Analysis) the examiner explained a few things up front. He described it as a little bit of science and a little bit of Kentucky windage. The device will only show the body's effects of lying, and is not a 100% fact telling machine. There were several questions in mine that showed deception. Upon further questioning, the examiner continued. I was hired by that agency, and was not lying about my answers. Don't be worried about false positives. They probably won't DQ you just because the machine says something. The lie detector interview is just that, an interview, and the machine is only there to help them get to the truth. I don't remember all my questions, but they dealt with drugs, violence, stealing and sex. Pretty much questions that would show illegal or immoral behavior.

Have fun with the MMPI 2 (the written portion of the psyche test) if they give it to you. I laughed at a lot of the questions. "Do you want to be a race car driver?" "Do you love your mother?" They ask a bunch of questions phrased differently to see if you were consistent.

My Department asked about owning guns, I just had to list them on a form. That was the last I ever heard of it. I think my Department is neutral on owing guns, and won't help or hurt you for getting hired. I personally think that cops should come to the job with a comfortability about guns. You just can't teach someone to be comfortable around them in the academy or on FTO. I've seen too many trainees in the field hold a recovered gun like a snake about to bite them.:rolleyes:

retired
07-29-2009, 12:30 PM
You just can't teach someone to be comfortable around them in the academy or on FTO

Alex, I would have to respectfully disagree with you. Prior to entering the lasd academy in 1976, I had only shot one revolver in my life. In the late 60's I went to Rio Hondo Jr. College. I took an aide class over at the academy site, tho I wasn't in the academy. Basically, I just cleaned the range and pasted the targets. The range instructor let me shoot one of the range revolvers after giving me some instruction. I wasn't uncomfortable with shooting, tho it was the first time.

I didn't shoot again until I entered my academy years later and felt very comfortable doing so. We had some excellent range officers and they took the time to explain everything.

I believe I would be correct in saying there were many who felt the same way I did.

COBRA MASTER
07-29-2009, 12:50 PM
yep they come to your house and they go to your neighbors houses and ask them questions about you, THEY SPIE ON YOU TOO,basicly they PUNK YOU TO DEATH. WHEN YOUR YOUNG THE MILITARY AND POLICE LOOK LIKE REAL ATTRACTIVE CAREERS, but when u get older there pay, orders, and all the punking to death crap kill it.:sleeping: SO I HAD MY WIFE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. LOL


They come to your house to interview you?

Fire in the Hole
07-29-2009, 1:00 PM
I would assume that the question refers to the LEOs being dispatched to somebody's house, whether they were called by that resident or the neighbors. 9-1-1 dispatchers can look this information up in seconds. One of the most common things heard on a police scanner is, "how many times, or the last time", that a unit was sent to a particular address and why. On rare occasions, I've heard a reference to the resident having a registered AW or other guns in the house.

Restraining orders will pprobably DQ an applicant because they aren't allowed to posess firearms according to state law, and a 1998 Domestic Violence Gun Law. Dozens of LEOs lost their jobs after Congress passed this law more than a decade ago.

It wouldn't surprise if a few LEAs were DQing gun owners simply to keep those NRA types out of their departments. They can't afford to have some officers who are actively involved with gun rights; when the chief is a whore who supports the Brady Bunch's agenda. This battle was openly fought between a police chief and one of his sergeants in San Jose for several years. Lots of dirty tricks went on behind the scenes too...

But the thing is, the OP has NO objective nor affirmative information that LE was called to his house. This information whether yes or no, was never communicated to him by a complaining party, a police dispatcher, or by LEO's.
The Op should not guess the answer is yes, nor assume so. Therefore a reply of "Not that I've ever heard of." or "Not that I have any knowelge of." Would be appropriate answers, and would not manipulate the question.

waitwha?
07-29-2009, 5:08 PM
but the question asks have LEO's every been called to your house. There's only a yes or a no box. Theres no maybe. So would it be best to just put no and if they person asks, say the not to my knowledge thing?

EBWhite
07-29-2009, 9:52 PM
Hey guys---this is true with some depts. I applied with LAPD listing 10+ guns and my Utah CCW....I was questioned and double questioned by the background investigator about it. Made it all the way till the end and failed the psych. Failed the appeal. I was never told its the guns but the psychologist said "people do not need those things." "Why would anyone need a CCW?" go figure, a PC dept getting rid of normal people....

LASD is much more gun friendly...Main reason it seems is deputies run the hiring process and they are gun friendly for the most part...All is well, after a VERY long process its nice to be a LASD deputy sheriff :-) Some depts. will still hire you, just not the PC ones...

If anyone has LASD questions or LEO hiring questions in general, feel free to ask.

retired
07-29-2009, 11:28 PM
EBWhite, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been with the dept. I retired from it.

cousinkix1953
07-30-2009, 5:20 AM
But the thing is, the OP has NO objective nor affirmative information that LE was called to his house. This information whether yes or no, was never communicated to him by a complaining party, a police dispatcher, or by LEO's.
The Op should not guess the answer is yes, nor assume so. Therefore a reply of "Not that I've ever heard of." or "Not that I have any knowelge of." Would be appropriate answers, and would not manipulate the question.
No matter how they cut the cards; it's a good bet that the police department still has some FI cards describing their visits to a certain address and their contacts with certain people there. If you called them; don't lie about it...

cousinkix1953
07-30-2009, 5:29 AM
Hey guys---this is true with some depts. I applied with LAPD listing 10+ guns and my Utah CCW....I was questioned and double questioned by the background investigator about it. Made it all the way till the end and failed the psych. Failed the appeal. I was never told its the guns but the psychologist said "people do not need those things." "Why would anyone need a CCW?" go figure, a PC dept getting rid of normal people....

LASD is much more gun friendly...Main reason it seems is deputies run the hiring process and they are gun friendly for the most part...All is well, after a VERY long process its nice to be a LASD deputy sheriff :-) Some depts. will still hire you, just not the PC ones...

If anyone has LASD questions or LEO hiring questions in general, feel free to ask.
The LAPD has been a hard core anti-gun agency ever since Daryl Gates jumped ship and joined the Brady Bunch about 20 years ago. His attitude about the 2A and the NRA changed drastically.

Meanwhile LA county sheriff, Sherman Block continued to sell his department's surrplus shotguns. He purchased a stock of Beretta pistols around 1995. Dozens of surplus LASO Smith & Wesson revolvers were sold up north. A Salinas gun store used to advertise it's stash of used LASO firearms back in the 90s. You didn't see too many of Block's old sheriff's weapons for sale in his own backyard. The media and the politicians would have gone crazy over it...

Fire in the Hole
07-30-2009, 5:52 AM
No matter how they cut the cards; it's a good bet that the police department still has some FI cards describing their visits to a certain address and their contacts with certain people there. If you called them; don't lie about it...

You can't FI (Interview) a house. Only a person can be FI'd, and since the OP wasn't interviewed, he wasn't identified. The OP should not have to assume or read into the question whether the cops were called to his house, without objective information. Like I said for all the OP knows they just happened by and were admiring the paint job of his house. Since he was never telephoned, written a letter, or contacted in person, he is ignorant of any calls to his house.

SkyStorm82
07-30-2009, 6:30 AM
Made it all the way till the end and failed the psych. Failed the appeal. I was never told its the guns but the psychologist said "people do not need those things." "Why would anyone need a CCW?"

They contract out shrinks though right? What did you say back to the shrink when he/she said that?

Could have just been trying to push buttons to see how you react. I remember my shrink started talking some crazy **** after I answered his question. He was either nuts....or he was trying to bait me into going all extreme with him.

waitwha?
07-30-2009, 1:43 PM
Did any of you guys do any types of internships or cadet programs before you were hired? Also how many departments should I apply to in order to be certain that at least one will hire me?

SVT-40
07-30-2009, 2:21 PM
Did any of you guys do any types of internships or cadet programs before you were hired? Also how many departments should I apply to in order to be certain that at least one will hire me?

I was a paid Cadet for three years before I turned 21 and was hired. It was great experience.

No matter how many departments you "apply" for there are no assurances ANY of them will hire you.

You will have to pass all the tests to prove you are worthy of a job offer.

It's best IMHO to find out which ONE department YOU really want to work for. Then do what you can to make yourself a good candidate for that department.

I really don't like the shotgun approach to finding a department to work for.

waitwha?
07-30-2009, 2:46 PM
I was a paid Cadet for three years before I turned 21 and was hired. It was great experience.

No matter how many departments you "apply" for there are no assurances ANY of them will hire you.

You will have to pass all the tests to prove you are worthy of a job offer.

It's best IMHO to find out which ONE department YOU really want to work for. Then do what you can to make yourself a good candidate for that department.

I really don't like the shotgun approach to finding a department to work for.

Well I contacted the one department I was most interested in and they basically told me it was too late for me to become a cadet since I'm in my last year of college. I asked about any sort of internship/volunteer stuff and they said there was none. So at this point, I just want to be able to guarantee that I will be hired by a department in the future.

Any other ideas on how to make myself look more desirable to departments?

Khram
07-30-2009, 3:29 PM
So what is a a lot of guns? I always wondered if I would have or did apply for an LE position if owning a lot of guns would matter. I have owned close to or over 100 guns since my mid 20's.

And to frequent visits to the Blue Oyster rule me out? :)

EBWhite
07-30-2009, 4:16 PM
They contract out shrinks though right? What did you say back to the shrink when he/she said that?

Could have just been trying to push buttons to see how you react. I remember my shrink started talking some crazy **** after I answered his question. He was either nuts....or he was trying to bait me into going all extreme with him.
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LAPD IS IN HOUSE...LASD pays a private doctor but for appeals they use county doctors.

LAPD doc told me , you know guns cause xxx% higher rate of accidental death. I then replied with: when ccw's were instituted in florida, violent crime was reduced. She had nothing to say to that. of course i did not pass, i'm not going to allow a moron to think she is right for stepping on our rights...

EBWhite
07-30-2009, 4:17 PM
So what is a a lot of guns? I always wondered if I would have or did apply for an LE position if owning a lot of guns would matter. I have owned close to or over 100 guns since my mid 20's.

And to frequent visits to the Blue Oyster rule me out? :)


I would have to say that most LA depts would not hire you. There would be a few exceptions but that is considered a lot of guns to them. Either sell a few or only list your registered handguns on the form- leave the rifles and shotguns off.

good luck

COBRA MASTER
07-30-2009, 8:47 PM
THAT SUCKS MAN

Hey guys---this is true with some depts. I applied with LAPD listing 10+ guns and my Utah CCW....I was questioned and double questioned by the background investigator about it. Made it all the way till the end and failed the psych. Failed the appeal. I was never told its the guns but the psychologist said "people do not need those things." "Why would anyone need a CCW?" go figure, a PC dept getting rid of normal people....

LASD is much more gun friendly...Main reason it seems is deputies run the hiring process and they are gun friendly for the most part...All is well, after a VERY long process its nice to be a LASD deputy sheriff :-) Some depts. will still hire you, just not the PC ones...

If anyone has LASD questions or LEO hiring questions in general, feel free to ask.

code33
07-31-2009, 10:33 AM
Thought the same thing as Fire in the Hole... A premise history is done on an address/location, not FI. It's not a silly word game. Try asking for FI info on a house from dispatch over the air.

What you hear over a scanner for one agency isn't the same for all. It would not be surprising to find that some agencies still keep FI cards in a box and not entered into the local records system.


Knock off the silly word games! They interview people who live there. Take an ESL class if you can't figure this out...

drummerdude1188
07-31-2009, 7:46 PM
...

PM sent

waitwha?
07-31-2009, 8:25 PM
Well I contacted the one department I was most interested in and they basically told me it was too late for me to become a cadet since I'm in my last year of college. I asked about any sort of internship/volunteer stuff and they said there was none. So at this point, I just want to be able to guarantee that I will be hired by a department in the future.

Any other ideas on how to make myself look more desirable to departments?

Anyone?

Fire in the Hole
07-31-2009, 8:32 PM
Anyone?

I'll give you three short answers.

1.) How old are you? If in your early 20's; I'd recommend that you serve a stint in the military. Choose any branch you like. Talk to all the recruiters, to get a feel for which one you perfer. Then enlist as an MP.


2.) Go to college. Major in Public Administration, or Business Administration. Stay there until you get your BA, then apply to LE.


3.) After deciding on #1 or #2, keep your nose clean, stay out of trouble, work hard, and strive to be the best.

waitwha?
08-01-2009, 1:23 PM
I'll give you three short answers.

1.) How old are you? If in your early 20's; I'd recommend that you serve a stint in the military. Choose any branch you like. Talk to all the recruiters, to get a feel for which one you perfer. Then enlist as an MP.


2.) Go to college. Major in Public Administration, or Business Administration. Stay there until you get your BA, then apply to LE.


3.) After deciding on #1 or #2, keep your nose clean, stay out of trouble, work hard, and strive to be the best.

I'm 20 right now.

I'm in college. I'll be a senior this year and I'm double majoring business econ and criminology.

Will being in the military really help that much?

I've been staying out of trouble for the most part and I plan to keep it that way.

Thanks for the advice.

Fire in the Hole
08-01-2009, 2:29 PM
Since you are in college, with a definate course plan, stay in and finish that to at least the BA level. Yes, IMHO the military helps you quite a bit. You get veteran preference points on any civil service exam. It looks impressive on a resume. A future employer can see that you have no doubt learned about hard work, adaptability, attention to detail, maturity, and discipline. You get to see the world for free. Learn a trade for free. Get veteran benifits to buy your first home, and to help pay for in your case, grad school when you get out. If you can handle the burden, speak to a counselor about OCS or ROTC.



Oh BTW, you do know that girls love a man in uniform don't you?

franco802
08-03-2009, 8:38 AM
Any sort of CCW permits in or out of state will definitely be frowned upon unless, you own or work for a jewelry store, go to the bank for a business etc. I have a friend who was disqualified by 10 agencies because of this reason.

I owned about 30 different rifles/guns at the time and nothing was ever mentioned about my firearms, but they DID ask if I had a CCW. You also have to make sure you have decent credit. They will look at your financial stability as a source of responsibility. DON'T LIE!! Possibly the worst thing you can do is be a liar. No agency will hire you after ONE agency catches you.

Background investigators will talk to your neighbors, x-girlfriends, prior employers, friends, family etc... So if you had a nasty fallout with an x-girlfriend or walked out on an employer, you better reveal this info in your background packet and background interview.

If you can, are willing or have the time, depending on how bad you want it, enroll yourself in an open enrollment Police Academy. It will be just the cost of your gear and a few college units. Departments really applaud this type of thing.

Think about it.....if you graduate an open enrollment academy, the department won't have to pay YOU to go to theirs and spend 100k training you. Then most of your entry exams will be waived. Just think how far up the roster you will be trying to get hired, compared to a person just trying to get hired and still has to be put through the academy by an agency. It really helps.

Try to apply as civilian volunteer in your local department. I worked 3.5 years as a civilian volunteer for my local Police Department. I worked with vice, gangs and child abuse division. It was amazing how much knowledge I picked up and friends I made in that department. Those kinds of things will give you a real feel for the position you want. Go on as many ride a longs as you can with different agencies. This will give you an outlook on where you want to go.

Stay focused and good luck.

bebop1034
08-03-2009, 7:54 PM
He never looked in my trash cans. In fact, the only room he visited other than the living room where the interview took place, was the bathroom. So sure, I guess he could have looked in there for dirty mags? lol

He based almost ALL his questions off the background packet I had filled out months prior. Basically repeated all the questions to see if I slipped up and possibly fibbed back when I filled it out (almost a year prior).

Some questions I remembered (not verbatim):
-Have you ever had sex with an under aged girl?
-Do you have any visible tattoos when wearing a short sleeve shirt?
-Have you done any drugs other than the Marijuana you listed back in High School?
Those are the ones I can remember, the others were pretty mellow.
Just tell the truth and make sure your dates are all in order.

It was about a 2hr interview. He recorded it onto a tape as well.
A few months later, I got the packet stating I passed the background.

Unfortunately I formally withdrew my submission. 6 months in the academy at mere peanuts and the starting pay would have been an almost 48% pay cut from what I'm making now. I would basically have to sell or rent out my house and sell all my toys in order to survive off the pay they were offering.

Just before he left, he also informed me that all the state employees had just taken a 10% pay cut and a mandatory 2 days per month off, unpaid.
So after he left on that note, and the promotion I received shortly after, I decided law enforcement in no way was worth what they wanted to pay me.


nvm

stormy_clothing
08-07-2009, 1:27 PM
generally considered bad attire

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