CBS 2 Increase In Gun Sales In USA @ 7pm

[strangerdude]

Not sure If anyone else has posted this, just thought many people would be interested in this segment tonight.

CBS 2 @ 7pm

[golem]

cool thx for heads up. always interested in how the msm will manage to portray gun owners as evil and stupid

[AlliedArmory]

lets hear the FUD they put out there now

[GTKrockeTT]

this it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5189467n&tag=related;photovideo

[golem]

yup

[nick]

Sounds like "we've been trying to ignore the crazy gun nuts and hoping they'd just go away, but now others have covered them, so looks like we have to do it. Alright, let's call it breaking news, make fun of the silly fringe majority, and get back to real news. Now, Britney Spears said what on foreign policy? Barack Obama said what on Britney Spears? Oh, he's so adorable" to me :)

[chickenfried]

You didn't expect unbiased journalism did you? They put virginia tech and the "gunshow loophole"at the forefront. Several minutes are devoted to an anti-gun organization born out of virginia tech. One guy lost his sister, the other a woman shot in the jaw and disfigured. In between interviews with the disfigured women(who has a speech impediment also), footage of virginia tech, and fear mongering about the "gunshow loophole" . They briefly mention that the virginia tech shooter went through a background check and didn't buy his weapons privately.

[HowardW56]

Typical slanted crap (I won't call it journalism)

[Go Packers!]

this it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5189467n&tag=related;photovideo

I wish our gun shows in California had the inventory that they showed from the gun show (Virginia) in the video.

[chickenfried]

I caught myself having strong feelings of dislike for Lily Habtu.

[bruceflinch]

Less FUD than I expected.

Thanks for the Post & link.

[nick]

You didn't expect unbiased journalism did you? They put virginia tech and the "gunshow loophole"at the forefront. Several minutes are devoted to an anti-gun organization born out of virginia tech. One guy lost his sister, the other a woman shot in the jaw and disfigured. In between interviews with the disfigured women(who has a speech impediment also), footage of virginia tech, and fear mongering about the "gunshow loophole" . They briefly mention that the virginia tech shooter went through a background check and didn't buy his weapons privately.

And there's this organization with 30K students, Students For Concealed Carry On Campus, which sounds like an organization with more support than "the few people receiving support from unnamed donors". Not worth mentioning. In fact, the only pro-gun rights organization they mentioned was the big scary "gun lobby" a.k.a. the NRA. You know, the one with millions of members, supported by membership dues, etc.

As for the unbiased journalism, I think they'll be out of journalism business soon enough and concentrate on what has better ratings - entertainment. They can't do journalism worth a damn, and the falling ratings show it. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part :)

[nick]

I wish our gun shows in California had the inventory that they showed from the gun show (Virginia) in the video.

And at similar prices :)

[superjc]

"These men can sell their guns anywhere... in private homes...or out of their cars"

A whole show about guns and not a word about freedom or the founding fathers or the 100 million people who were slaughtered by their own governments in the last century?

[slik556]

This is a RERUN from back in April. You can youtube 60minutes and see most of the broadcast. You can also check out that cowfaced Dianne Feinstein telling us all that she will be picking just the right time to do her dirty work!! Check it out!!!

[GrayWolf09]

Some of us democrats think Feinstein is a Republican because she usually votes that way. Some of us also believe she is disingenuous because she has a CCW permit.

Some of us liberals also support all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights and have watched in horror as our First and Fourth amendment rights were trampled by the last administration. We believe that part of the reason for the 2nd Amendment was and is to prevent the government from violating our rights under the other 9 amendments. Aren't the conservatives concerned about the erosion of our civil rights in the last 8 years?

I agree that was not a very balanced piece because it used loaded terms like "assault weapons" although it was not totally biased. I will stand with anyone on the front lines to protect your and my 2nd Amendment rights.:80:

[bwiese]

Didja notice how the camera panned the Virginia gunshow and they focused for a moment on the dude with the hanging Nazi swastika pennants?

This is EXACTLY the reason we don't need this crap at gunshows. Similar crap caused "I'm scared of the Nazis" testimony by Cal DOJ FD dweebs in the Scott Mills case - acting like it was his crap he was selling instead of the next booth down.

If you see a goon at a gunshow selling Nazi flags, Hitlerworship books, Turner Diaries, etc. call him on it and let the mgmt know. If they're smart, they'll kick him out.

[professorhard]

Didja notice how the camera panned the Virginia gunshow and they focused for a moment on the dude with the hanging Nazi swastika pennants?

This is EXACTLY the reason we don't need this crap at gunshows. Similar crap caused "I'm scared of the Nazis" testimony by Cal DOJ FD dweebs in the Scott Mills case - acting like it was his crap he was selling instead of the next booth down.

If you see a goon at a gunshow selling Nazi flags, Hitlerworship books, Turner Diaries, etc. call him on it and let the mgmt know. If they're smart, they'll kick him out.

Did you forget about the 1st amendment? They have a right to free speech, just the same as a right to bear arms. People should see it that way and understand that you don't just pick out certain parts of the bills of rights to support. I agree with you that Nazi symbols and paraphenalia at gun shows doesn't help us gain wide spread acceptance but people just have to accept that others may exercise their rights in ways most don't agree with.

[professorhard]

Just like us exercising our right to bear arms, many people may not agree with it but they must accept the fact that it is a constitutional right.

[chickenfried]

Sure the guys selling the nazi items have the right to sell it. But the show organizers also have the right not be associated with them.

[professorhard]

Sure the guys selling the nazi items have the right to sell it. But the show organizers also have the right not be associated with them.

Yes that may be true but don't we want all citizens to be able to exercise their constitutional rights without fear of discrimination? It sucks to be discriminated against just because you own guns and exercise that right, it doesn't make sense to discriminate against others just because they choose to exercise different rights.

[hoffmang]

I just watched 60 Minutes admit to the American public that more new gun control couldn't politically happen. Heh.

-Gene

[jcaoloveshine]

I almost lost it when I saw Feinstein and then heard her spew the same FUD she's been regurgitating since forever

"I'll pick the time and the place, no question about that"

Looks like the NRA war machine needs to suit up, how do sad opportunists like this get elected

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[cudakidd]

Yes that may be true but don't we want all citizens to be able to exercise their constitutional rights without fear of discrimination? It sucks to be discriminated against just because you own guns and exercise that right, it doesn't make sense to discriminate against others just because they choose to exercise different rights.

Actually guys thats not true at gun shows. Under the law passed back in 2000 that allowed gun shows to continue to operate, along with the requirements for venders to wear name tags, no black powder for sale, etc. The display or sale of hate material was banned. I provided the cites for this long ago in another thread. I personally while working a table for the NRA had the show promoter tell a vender to take down his WAR (White Aryan Resistance) banner.

Free speech does not apply to private venues! They can stipulate what rules for venders. The law now is on the books and we should be happy for it. After the media is just trying to portray us a red-neck racist goons already, why provide ammo for them to use?

[BroncoBob]

Time a place per the old bag from CA.

[Gator Monroe]

Sure the guys selling the nazi items have the right to sell it. But the show organizers also have the right not be associated with them.

Nazi Items (Including Firearms fetch the highest prices in some cases and are the most sought after at Gun Shows) so where does it end ? (Ban pre 1990 South African items ? or racist aparthied Israeli Items ?? , and trust me even Kluxer items are collectable to some, especially 1920's political buttons & posters supporting their party (Democrat) .

[cudakidd]

Nazi Items (Including Firearms fetch the highest prices in some cases and are the most sought after at Gun Shows) so where does it end ? (Ban pre 1990 South African items ? or racist aparthied Israeli Items ?? , and trust me even Kluxer items are collectable to some, especially 1920's political buttons & posters supporting their party (Democrat) .

Another dead horse thread starting and OT too! Buy all of this you want. Ebay, the internet, Craig’s list, ad nausem. But not legal at California gun shows.

The law was passed by Knight (R) Palmdale to save gun shows. A compromise to ban items not PC or needed to put on a gun show.

Again, GUN show. Not racist memorabilia show...

And as for what to allow, the promoter is the ultimate arbiter of what fits the law. It's his livelihood on the line after all.

[PorkLover]

it almost made me want to move back to VA.......almost......

[timdps]

I just watched 60 Minutes admit to the American public that more new gun control couldn't politically happen. Heh.

-Gene

+1 Quite a bit of time spent on why the national AW ban is not remotely feasible at this time, mostly because of the blue dog demos and Obama's election. Given the number of AWs sold since the ban ended (including our own very special CA variants) followed by Heller and (presumably) 2nd Amendment incorporation, I seriously doubt that another national AWB will ever be passed.

tim

[JDay]

Actually guys thats not true at gun shows. Under the law passed back in 2000 that allowed gun shows to continue to operate, along with the requirements for venders to wear name tags, no black powder for sale, etc. The display or sale of hate material was banned. I provided the cites for this long ago in another thread. I personally while working a table for the NRA had the show promoter tell a vender to take down his WAR (White Aryan Resistance) banner.

Free speech does not apply to private venues! They can stipulate what rules for venders. The law now is on the books and we should be happy for it. After the media is just trying to portray us a red-neck racist goons already, why provide ammo for them to use?

That law would not hold up to a SCOTUS challenge.

[7x57]

Did you forget about the 1st amendment? They have a right to free speech, just the same as a right to bear arms. People should see it that way and understand that you don't just pick out certain parts of the bills of rights to support. I agree with you that Nazi symbols and paraphenalia at gun shows doesn't help us gain wide spread acceptance but people just have to accept that others may exercise their rights in ways most don't agree with.

Nope. It's a private event. They don't have the right to commandeer someone else's soapbox. They can exercise their 1st amendment rights elsewhere. The organizers have the right to define the sorts of things they wish to have at a gunshow. They can forbid jerky too, though I don't know why they would.

Freedom of the press is for those who own printing presses. Nobody has the right to use someone else's.

7x57

[professorhard]

Yes that may be true but don't we want all citizens to be able to exercise their constitutional rights without fear of discrimination? It sucks to be discriminated against just because you own guns and exercise that right, it doesn't make sense to discriminate against others just because they choose to exercise different rights.

This is what all I'm trying to say. I know it's a private event and they can not allow certain things ect.

[7x57]

Nazi Items (Including Firearms fetch the highest prices in some cases and are the most sought after at Gun Shows) so where does it end ?

When the organizer decides it does. If he chooses badly enough, he goes broke.

It's called capitalism. We should try it someday, it sounds interesting.

7x57

[Fjold]

Some of us democrats think Feinstein is a Republican because she usually votes that way. Some of us also believe she is disingenuous because she has a CCW permit.

Some of us liberals also support all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights and have watched in horror as our First and Fourth amendment rights were trampled by the last administration. We believe that part of the reason for the 2nd Amendment was and is to prevent the government from violating our rights under the other 9 amendments. Aren't the conservatives concerned about the erosion of our civil rights in the last 8 years?

I agree that was not a very balanced piece because it used loaded terms like "assault weapons" although it was not totally biased. I will stand with anyone on the front lines to protect your and my 2nd Amendment rights.:80:

You're the first person that I've ever heard that thinks that Feinstein "usually votes that way" (as a Republican).

Feinstein doesn't have a CCW.

[Maltese Falcon]

I almost lost it when I saw Feinstein and then heard her spew the same FUD she's been regurgitating since forever

"I'll pick the time and the place, no question about that"


.... and the Cal Gunner thought..." And you will still lose"

[cudakidd]

That law would not hold up to a SCOTUS challenge.

Under what basis? This is a private venue. Not even counting the law, the Show promoter has a interest in staying in business. Read the specific law.

And who is going to challenge? You? Certainly not the NRA, CRPA, etc.

Some skinheads with deep pockets out there?

Come back to the real world.

[Gator Monroe]

Another dead horse thread starting and OT too! Buy all of this you want. Ebay, the internet, Craig’s list, ad nausem. But not legal at California gun shows.

The law was passed by Knight (R) Palmdale to save gun shows. A compromise to ban items not PC or needed to put on a gun show.

Again, GUN show. Not racist memorabilia show...

And as for what to allow, the promoter is the ultimate arbiter of what fits the law. It's his livelihood on the line after all.

Gew & Kar 98's & various other German & Japanese Rifles & pistols are Highly prized as are their Sling & Mag pouches & Bayonets then you move to Daggers & Pistol belts & holsters and on to Uniforms & helmets (Both Russo-Japanese war & WW1 & WW2 SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ? this is a funny thing that such a law would even be considered in the Firearms community ...

[Gator Monroe]

Nope. It's a private event. They don't have the right to commandeer someone else's soapbox. They can exercise their 1st amendment rights elsewhere. The organizers have the right to define the sorts of things they wish to have at a gunshow. They can forbid jerky too, though I don't know why they would.

Freedom of the press is for those who own printing presses. Nobody has the right to use someone else's.

7x57

Then they can forbid Obama supportin Democrat vendors ? or the Calguns booth or even the NRA booth ?

[Gator Monroe]

That law would not hold up to a SCOTUS challenge.

They could then stop Gangbangers & other unsavory looking folks from being vendors too (Not just the Racist Redneck or Skinhead looking vendors ?):)

[professorhard]

Why don't they just forbid Jews, African Americans, and other minorities/ people that are so offended by some dumb old military uniforms and badges from entering the shows.

[cudakidd]

Gew & Kar 98's & various other German & Japanese Rifles & pistols are Highly prized as are their Sling & Mag pouches & Bayonets then you move to Daggers & Pistol belts & holsters and on to Uniforms & helmets (Both Russo-Japanese war & WW1 & WW2 SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ? this is a funny thing that such a law would even be considered in the Firearms community ...

This law passed almost ten years ago! Where have you guys been? Hate Material is sort of like the old saying on Pornography, I can't define it but sure can recognize it. More importantly the State will step in and define it if we don’t use common sense and police it ourselves.

We are the ambassadors of an UnPC activity/hobby. We owe it to protect the Second Amendment to avoid giving excuses for those that would shut down the gun shows.

Remember the current law being proposed to shut down the Cow Palace? How about what happened to the Great Western in Los Angeles? They were/are being shut down by antis with an agenda. Let’s not help them by allowing non-firearms racist crap to be peddled by those that show us in the worst possible light!

Try this; imagine you are being interviewed in a gun show by a local news station. As you try to explain that the show caters to hobbyists and sportsmen, The camera picks up Nazi Flags flying in the background, the camera then pans to tin signs of stereotyped blacks eating watermelons while CDs blare out Nazi Marching songs from a vendors table and the camera does a close up of the next table where a skinhead is handing out pamphlets for the Sons of Odin.

The reporter asks you "What has this to do with the Second Amendment?" What do you say? And no matter what First amendment blather you try to peddle, the public only remembers the visuals...

I have seen all of this at gun shows, we are our own worst enemies.

[Gator Monroe]

This law passed almost ten years ago! Where have you guys been? Hate Material is sort of like the old saying on Pornography, I can't define it but sure can recognize it. More importantly the State will step in and define it if we don’t use common sense and police it ourselves.

We are the ambassadors of an UnPC activity/hobby. We owe it to protect the Second Amendment to avoid giving excuses for those that would shut down the gun shows.

Remember the current law being proposed to shut down the Cow Palace? How about what happened to the Great Western in Los Angeles? They were/are being shut down by antis with an agenda. Let’s not help them by allowing non-firearms racist crap to be peddled by those that show us in the worst possible light!

Try this; imagine you are being interviewed in a gun show by a local news station. As you try to explain that the show caters to hobbyists and sportsmen, The camera picks up Nazi Flags flying in the background, the camera then pans to tin signs of stereotyped blacks eating watermelons while CDs blare out Nazi Marching songs from a vendors table and the camera does a close up of the next table where a skinhead is handing out pamphlets for the Sons of Odin.

The reporter asks you "What has this to do with the Second Amendment?" What do you say? And no matter what First amendment blather you try to peddle, the public only remembers the visuals...

I have seen all of this at gun shows, we are our own worst enemies.

I have been to various Ca. Shows (Ventura, Redding, Red Bluff ... ) and they all have had Nazi Stuff & Firearms & the South shall rise again Crap so get used to it , hell I bet that stuff is even in New Jersey & Vermont Gun Shows and the Idea that Warskins or Kluxers have booths is FUD because They were not at the Shows In Texas or Reno I visited , but as the Hells Angels have a booth at a Bike Week event or Motorcycle Show does not even raise an Eyebrow in my mind .

[cudakidd]

Why don't they just forbid Jews, African Americans, and other minorities/ people that are so offended by some dumb old military uniforms and badges from entering the shows.

Geez I hope that was just a feeble attempt at sarcasm!

Why don't you realize it's a GUN SHOW, a private, for profit show with rules set by the promoter to conform to State Law? And a law initiated by a pro-Second Amendment Republican as a compromise to save gun shows!

It was a post Columbine time frame when the law passed.

If you want to start you own Racist Memorabilia Show have at it. It's legal as long as it's not a gun show.

[Gator Monroe]

I have been to various Ca. Shows (Ventura, Redding, Red Bluff ... ) and they all have had Nazi Stuff & Firearms & the South shall rise again Crap so get used to it , hell I bet that stuff is even in New Jersey & Vermont Gun Shows and the Idea that Warskins or Kluxers have booths is FUD because They were not at the Shows In Texas or Reno I visited , but as the Hells Angels have a booth at a Bike Week event or Motorcycle Show does not even raise an Eyebrow in my mind .

Once Again (Every show in Ca. I have attended over last 5 years has had Nazi Firearms & acessories & Confederate & south shall rise agin crap)

[cudakidd]

I have been to various Ca. Shows (Ventura, Redding, Red Bluff ... ) and they all have had Nazi Stuff & Firearms & the South shall rise again Crap so get used to it , hell I bet that stuff is even in New Jersey & Vermont Gun Shows and the Idea that Warskins or Kluxers have booths is FUD because They were not at the Shows In Texas or Reno I visited , but as the Hells Angels have a booth at a Bike Week event or Motorcycle Show does not even raise an Eyebrow in my mind .

Fine. However it is illegal to display hate material. Read the law. I have posted it before from the AG web site. California has not been active enforcing it.

I point it out at every show I work and have the Material removed. I have worked gun shows for the last 15 years, 5-7 times a year here. I have seen it and continue to see it unfortunately.

Last I checked this was Calguns, we are discussing California shows. Try to stay on topic on this OT Thread hijack!

If you don't realize what a bad image it projects for the shooting community then don't be surprised when they ban gun shows using our own bad images against us to do so.

Why the urge to defend the indefensible? It’s a Gun Show, GUN SHOW! Not a Racist Memorabilia show. Vote with your pocket book and start your own show and see the types you attract and how your show is portrayed by the media. Have fun...

[Gator Monroe]

Fine. However it is illegal to display hate material. Read the law. I have posted it before from the AG web site. California has not been active enforcing it.

I point it out at every show I work and have the Material removed. I have worked gun shows for the last 15 years, 5-7 times a year here. I have seen it and continue to see it unfortunately.

Last I checked this was Calguns, we are discussing California shows. Try to stay on topic on this OT Thread hijack!

If you don't realize what a bad image it projects for the shooting community then don't be surprised when they ban gun shows using our own bad images against us to do so.

Why the urge to defend the indefensible? It’s a Gun Show, GUN SHOW! Not a Racist Memorabilia show. Vote with your pocket book and start your own show and see the types you attract and how your show is portrayed by the media. Have fun...

Gun Show = Firearms & Firearm acessories & Manuals & Related Material & Books & Leather holsters & other Items , you have an issue with a Guy selling a Nazi Officers Autographed copy of Mein Kampf Thats your prollem & not mine , but you seem to think your Idea of a Bad image is everyone elses (Thought police ) , & why the urge to police folks collectables and retail items , if the items are offensive the vendor will go outta buissness before he would be kicked outta every show or get arrested .

[professorhard]

People sell that type of stuff for a reason. Because people buy it and it makes money. If it was so horrible/offensive and no one wanted anything to do with it you wouldn't see it at every single gun show in the state.

[Gator Monroe]

Fine. However it is illegal to display hate material. Read the law. I have posted it before from the AG web site. California has not been active enforcing it.

I point it out at every show I work and have the Material removed. I have worked gun shows for the last 15 years, 5-7 times a year here. I have seen it and continue to see it unfortunately.

Last I checked this was Calguns, we are discussing California shows. Try to stay on topic on this OT Thread hijack!

If you don't realize what a bad image it projects for the shooting community then don't be surprised when they ban gun shows using our own bad images against us to do so.

Why the urge to defend the indefensible? It’s a Gun Show, GUN SHOW! Not a Racist Memorabilia show. Vote with your pocket book and start your own show and see the types you attract and how your show is portrayed by the media. Have fun...

Your zest in trying to tie in Racism & gun Show vendors is very telling .:sleeping:

[Gator Monroe]

People sell that type of stuff for a reason. Because people buy it and it makes money. If it was so horrible/offensive and no one wanted anything to do with it you wouldn't see it at every single gun show in the state.
+1 THIS GUY is pushing his idea too hard (Even harder than Gator is pushin back) :confused:

[professorhard]

+1 THIS GUY is pushing his idea too hard (Even harder than Gator is pushin back) :confused:

lol yea I know what you're sayin

[n556]

Why don't they just forbid Jews, African Americans, and other minorities/ people that are so offended by some dumb old military uniforms and badges from entering the shows.

Oh gosh.... here we go