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waitwha?
07-25-2009, 9:36 PM
I plan on going to the police academy after I finish with college in about a year. I'm saving up to purchase my first handgun sometime within the next two months. I'm pretty set on getting a glock. What model do you guys think I should get for my first handgun. I've shot both the 9mm and the 45 at the range and could go either way. I think the local police departments issue 40 caliber glocks though so I'm not really sure what I want. Thoughts?

MallNinja
07-25-2009, 9:37 PM
I'm gonna guess Glock 19 is the most favored for a do all weapon.

Eroland7
07-25-2009, 9:39 PM
I'd go with .40. Its cheap, and plentiful.

coop44
07-25-2009, 9:40 PM
Got a polish target pistol, only used once.

But seriously, buy a sig, or an H&K, Quality shows.

1911su16b870
07-25-2009, 10:09 PM
Glock 17, 22 or 21 are my votes. The Beretta 92 and 96 are also good options. If you are going into the academy, I would recommend a full size pistol. Good Luck!

CSACANNONEER
07-25-2009, 10:13 PM
I hate to say this but, given todays LEAs and the questions they ask about firearms ownership on their apps., I'd probably wait until I was hired by a dept. to buy any firearms. If you feel that you must buy a handgun, look at quality guns like Sigs, HKs or even a quality .22lr pistol like a MKIII or a Buckmark.

Z ME FLY
07-25-2009, 10:30 PM
Get whatever you will carry with on duty

waitwha?
07-25-2009, 10:51 PM
I hate to say this but, given todays LEAs and the questions they ask about firearms ownership on their apps., I'd probably wait until I was hired by a dept. to buy any firearms. If you feel that you must buy a handgun, look at quality guns like Sigs, HKs or even a quality .22lr pistol like a MKIII or a Buckmark.

Can you elaborate on what this means?

sholling
07-25-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm a 45 man but with a students budget I'd pick up an M&P9. It's just cheaper to shoot than a 40 or 45 and the M&P is getting picked up by a lot of departments. It's also available in a 40 if you'd rather go bigger.

IMC87
07-25-2009, 11:06 PM
mine was a .45 from the start :D

CSACANNONEER
07-25-2009, 11:33 PM
I hate to say this but, given todays LEAs and the questions they ask about firearms ownership on their apps., I'd probably wait until I was hired by a dept. to buy any firearms. If you feel that you must buy a handgun, look at quality guns like Sigs, HKs or even a quality .22lr pistol like a MKIII or a Buckmark.

Can you elaborate on what this means?

Yea, ask around some of the depts. you're cosidering. Many of them have firearms ownership questions on their apps. It's also likely that you'll be questioned about any firearms you own if you get to the interview proccess. This does vary by dept. and interviewer but, some people (interviewers included) feel that civilians shouldn't have guns or that all civilians who own guns are Tackleberries. I'm not saying that owning one gun will keep you from getting a job. But, owning one or more may get you labelled as a Tackleberry. Also, getting a .22lr as a first handgun is probably the wisest ides. You'll be able to afford to shoot a hell of a lot more and develop good techniques with it. Besides, .22lrs are fun to shoot unless you feel the need to compensate for something.

Here's another CGer's current thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=206428

Enzyme
07-25-2009, 11:53 PM
Get a nice .22LR pistol to perfect your basic marksmanship skills. A Ruger MKII or MKIII in either the Standard or Target guise should work fine.

forgiven
07-26-2009, 1:09 AM
Please, don't become one of THEM.:43: A 38/357mag revolver is a pretty good choice too. You can find many mild 38spl loads out there.

Quiet
07-26-2009, 2:56 AM
Get a nice .22LR pistol to perfect your basic marksmanship skills.

Winner!

Get a .22LR pistol and practice, practice, practice.

waitwha?
07-26-2009, 9:19 AM
Yea, ask around some of the depts. you're cosidering. Many of them have firearms ownership questions on their apps. It's also likely that you'll be questioned about any firearms you own if you get to the interview proccess. This does vary by dept. and interviewer but, some people (interviewers included) feel that civilians shouldn't have guns or that all civilians who own guns are Tackleberries. I'm not saying that owning one gun will keep you from getting a job. But, owning one or more may get you labelled as a Tackleberry. Also, getting a .22lr as a first handgun is probably the wisest ides. You'll be able to afford to shoot a hell of a lot more and develop good techniques with it. Besides, .22lrs are fun to shoot unless you feel the need to compensate for something.

Here's another CGer's current thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=206428


Hum thats interesting. I've never heard of this before. I already own a shotgun and a ar-15 so I dont think owning a handgun will change anything. I'm going to have to answer yes to any sort of assault style weapons questions. I wonder if that will actually hurt my chances of getting in. Do any leo's have any input on that?

Greg-Dawg
07-26-2009, 10:06 AM
.40S&W is the best caliber in the whole world.

Fun recoil, affordable, available, most law men uses it and best of both worlds.

Jonathan Doe
07-26-2009, 4:34 PM
I would wait until I have a department in mind. Then, I will buy the pistol that they use. Soem agencies use different guns. Buy whatever they issue and train in the academy.

waitwha?
07-26-2009, 5:58 PM
I already know the department i want to go into. They use 40 caliber glocks. I just thought maybe 9mm would be cheaper to shoot so I would be able to go more often. Is the 40 caliber ammo hard to find and/or expensive?

SanSacto
07-26-2009, 6:01 PM
I went with 40S&W for my first pistol. I will probably go for another 40S&W for my second pistol also.

sholling
07-26-2009, 6:10 PM
I already know the department i want to go into. They use 40 caliber glocks.
By the time that you get there (1-2 years) that could change. Depending on your skill level I'd give serious consideration to a 22 so that you can can send hours practicing for $15 instead of just minutes with a 9 or 40. Now if you need something for self defense in the mean time then that's different. Both 9 & 40 and hard to find right now but usually 9 is a bit cheaper if you can find any.

Take a look at a 5-1/2" Browning Buck Mark or a Ruger MKIII Something that you can get a holster for. Then invest your savings in ammo and training (http://www.firearmstraining.com/).

bondmid003
07-26-2009, 6:14 PM
.40 all the way, now what brand is up to you. Glock is probably a good choice to start out with

hybridatsun350
07-26-2009, 6:17 PM
Your first handgun should be a .22lr. There is no question about that. It's best to develop the proper skills and mannerisms while on a .22 so that you will be more effective when you finally move up to a full power gun. Starting with a full power handgun will most likely lead to flinching and other issues.

waitwha?
07-26-2009, 7:42 PM
This may be somewhat of a silly question, but is all 9mm ammo the same? I'm trying to figure out what the prices for ammo are like for 9mm and 40 and 45 as well as 22. There's about 4 or 5 different types of 9mm ammo. Will they all fit the glock 19? Also, for the 22lr, I cant seem to find them on any online website. Can someone point me in the right direction?

B Strong
07-26-2009, 7:52 PM
I'd say a Glock in either .40 or 9mm with a .22 LR conversion kit to go with.

B Strong
07-26-2009, 7:56 PM
This may be somewhat of a silly question, but is all 9mm ammo the same? I'm trying to figure out what the prices for ammo are like for 9mm and 40 and 45 as well as 22. There's about 4 or 5 different types of 9mm ammo. Will they all fit the glock 19? Also, for the 22lr, I cant seem to find them on any online website. Can someone point me in the right direction?

A Glock 19 will fire all available types of 9mm Parabellum ammo.

.22 Long Rifle is available everywhere, but you'd have to test fire the conversion kit to find which type works 100% and is the most accurate.

I'd try CCI mini-mag solids first.

Glock21sfsd
07-26-2009, 8:12 PM
Glock 21 is the way to go in my opinion. 45 all the way

sholling
07-26-2009, 8:14 PM
This may be somewhat of a silly question, but is all 9mm ammo the same? I'm trying to figure out what the prices for ammo are like for 9mm and 40 and 45 as well as 22. There's about 4 or 5 different types of 9mm ammo. Will they all fit the glock 19? Also, for the 22lr, I cant seem to find them on any online website. Can someone point me in the right direction?
9mm Parabellum, 9x19, and 9mm Luger are all the same thing and are what most people are referring to when they say 9mm.

9x18 is is a comm-block oddity that pretty uncommon.

Walmart when it first opens is your best source for practice ammo but you have to get their early to find any.

I like the Browning Buck Mark Standard URX (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=006B&cat_id=051&type_id=407) (URX=large grip). But they have lots of models (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=006B&offset=-1). Expect to pay $60-100 less than list price if you find one. It's easier to find a holster for a 5-1/2" model. You need a holster (http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=7000) if you take a class or two. A Ruger 22/45 (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=54&variation=Bull%20Barrel&bct=Yes&type=Pistol) is another nice choice. Check for holster availability.

locosway
07-26-2009, 8:18 PM
How come 10mm wasn't in the poll? ;)

GoodEyeSniper
07-26-2009, 9:04 PM
.50ae minimum

bomb_on_bus
07-26-2009, 9:11 PM
9mm or .22 is a good starting point. Theres more kick in .40 and .45 and WAY more in magnum cartridges. If ya got the money or know someone who has one shoot a 5.7 FNH great gun and has the same recoil as a .22.

I'm still working on good grip control on the .45 for faster follow up shots.

Cru Jones
07-26-2009, 9:13 PM
Get a .22lr. You'll get real good, accurate and cocky with it and then you'll get a .40 or .45 and get knocked down a few pegs. :laugh:

Seriously though, I would go with what someone said earlier and find out what your department carries on duty, get that, and become as proficient as you can with it. It may save your life one day.

flatovercrest
07-26-2009, 10:37 PM
my first gun was a .357, then 9mms after that.

El Gato
07-26-2009, 10:39 PM
first handgun was a .38 then a .45acp...that started 32 years ago and I carried both calibers all day... different guns, but both calibers...:cool2:

swerv512
07-26-2009, 11:06 PM
if you start with the 45ACP- you'll never want another caliber....

locosway
07-26-2009, 11:11 PM
if you start with the 45ACP- you'll never want another caliber....

This man speaks truth....until you shoot a 10mm.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 9:13 AM
Well I guess the decision I have now is whether to get the exact same gun my department uses or to get a smaller caliber (9mm) so that its cheaper to practice with. The department I'm interested in uses a 40 caliber glock. If I train on a 9mm glock, will I have trouble applying that knowledge and practice to a 40 caliber glock later on?

sholling
07-27-2009, 10:15 AM
Well I guess the decision I have now is whether to get the exact same gun my department uses or to get a smaller caliber (9mm) so that its cheaper to practice with. The department I'm interested in uses a 40 caliber glock. If I train on a 9mm glock, will I have trouble applying that knowledge and practice to a 40 caliber glock later on?
The knowledge and motor skills that you gain from practicing with any pistol will transfer to any other pistol. That's why so many suggested a 22. It's the quality of the training and the amount of practice that matters and not the brand or caliber of the gun. Either way do invest in a class or two so that you don't learn bad habits that you'll have to unlearn later.

Also keep in mind that you may have to apply to a dozen agencies before getting chosen so don't focus narrowly on just one.

locosway
07-27-2009, 10:51 AM
There doesn't seem to be a big price difference between 9mm and .40.

Lancear15
07-27-2009, 10:54 AM
.40 because once you master that caliber the others will be easy. Don't fear the recoil, embrace it.

Z ME FLY
07-27-2009, 10:59 AM
Well I guess the decision I have now is whether to get the exact same gun my department uses or to get a smaller caliber (9mm) so that its cheaper to practice with. The department I'm interested in uses a 40 caliber glock. If I train on a 9mm glock, will I have trouble applying that knowledge and practice to a 40 caliber glock later on?

I was the one who said get the same gun as your dept or maybe a compact version of it. You will have tons of chances to shoot while you are in school. If your dept carries a glock 22 get a 22 or a 23. The 9mm will have a different recoil than a .40cal. Difference may not be that much but you should just practice with what you going to get. Plus this way, you won't have a 1 in a million chance of firing a .40s&w in a 9mm barrel or vise versa.

Z ME FLY
07-27-2009, 10:59 AM
This man speaks truth....until you shoot a 10mm.

Haha a 10mm will put a smile on your face :)

sholling
07-27-2009, 12:43 PM
.40 because once you master that caliber the others will be easy. Don't fear the recoil, embrace it.
The problem with starting with a heavy recoiling pistol is that it can create a flinch. Better to start light and learn to shoot before learning to deal with recoil.

stix213
07-27-2009, 12:58 PM
I voted 9mm, but if your department issues you a glock in .40 s&w you might want to consider getting a Glock 27 (sub compact baby glock in .40) since you might want to bring it along as a backup and I believe you can use your bigger glock's mags in it.

C_1
07-27-2009, 1:31 PM
I would say a 9mm Glock 19, but since the department you want to work for uses Glock 22s, I would suggest you get a Glock 23 or 27.

roc
07-27-2009, 2:17 PM
get a glock 27 if the department issues 22s. it will be a nice backup/off duty gun. also, i have heard that a lot of departments will look at applicants who are gun owners as gun nuts. makes no sense but it is what it is.

aermotor
07-27-2009, 2:44 PM
.40 cal for me.

waitwha?
07-27-2009, 6:48 PM
get a glock 27 if the department issues 22s. it will be a nice backup/off duty gun. also, i have heard that a lot of departments will look at applicants who are gun owners as gun nuts. makes no sense but it is what it is.

My only concern is that it may hurt my chances of getting in because i am a "gun nut". What if i just told them I bought them so that I could practice before I entered the academy?

stix213
07-27-2009, 6:56 PM
My only concern is that it may hurt my chances of getting in because i am a "gun nut". What if i just told them I bought them so that I could practice before I entered the academy?

How many guns qualify as "gun nut" territory? I think I am on the fast track to getting there myself.

Bizcuits
07-27-2009, 8:44 PM
9mm

IPSICK
07-28-2009, 11:52 AM
If your department is going to issue you a gun and hopefully provide practice ammo, get a .22lr pistol and practice the fundamentals of trigger control and sight picture. Once you have your department issue gun you can practice with that also. Any other gun will be for your own personal defense and enjoyment. IMO. If you're set on getting a Glock, I'd recommend a 19 (9mm) as a personal carry gun.

waitwha?
07-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Does anyone have suggestions of places in socal that I can take a class or 2 on basic handgun fundamentals? I've shot handguns before but I want to learn proper technique and breathing control and all that stuff.

waitwha?
08-02-2009, 9:20 PM
I've pretty much decided on a glock 19. What grain 9mm rounds are best?

115 grain: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=447175
or
124 grain: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=413352

locosway
08-02-2009, 9:26 PM
I've pretty much decided on a glock 19. What grain 9mm rounds are best?

115 grain: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=447175
or
124 grain: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=413352

Depends on what you're doing. If you're punching paper then get what ever is the cheapest.

If you're doing home defense stuff you might want to check out some +p ammo or something similar.

sholling
08-02-2009, 9:28 PM
I've pretty much decided on a glock 19. What grain 9mm rounds are best?


115gr practice fodder is a lot easier to find at Walmart and such but because you'll probably want to go with a 125ish grain load for self defense like these (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/cPath/23_61_119/products_id/1187) or these (http://www.ombexpress.com/sf_762/c_283/p_AM867.aspx) then I'd practice with 124gr practice fodder.

waitwha?
08-02-2009, 9:33 PM
its only for practicing. Not for self defense.

waitwha?
08-04-2009, 8:13 AM
whats the difference between the short barrel variety of the gold dot and the regular version?

GammaRei
08-04-2009, 10:08 AM
I love my Glock 21 .45. But it does have some insane muzzle jump. I have fired other Glocks as well. But would recommend you to go to the range and test out the different calibers. Find something that you feel comfortable with. And if you want something that will be close to what your on duty firearm will be, check with the dept that you're going into.

- G