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dominic
07-25-2009, 4:47 AM
Consider the view that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to own guns. The view is respectable, but it may be wrong, and prominent specialists reject it on various grounds. As late as 1980, it would have been preposterous to argue that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to own guns, and no federal court invalidated a gun control restriction on Second Amendment grounds until 2007. Yet countless American politicians, in recent years, have acknowledged that they respect the individual right to bear arms, at least in general terms. Their views are a product of the energetic efforts of meaning entrepreneurs some from the National Rifle Association, who have press a particular view of the Second Amendment.--Cass R. Sunstein, A Constitution of Many Minds, Princeton University Press,
2009, p. 172-173

Cnynrat
07-25-2009, 6:03 AM
Frankly, this guy has demonstrated that he's an idiot on repeated ocasions. This is the same guy that thinks animals should be able to sue humans.

It's only preposterous to view the 2A as not conferring an individual right if you have no understanding of the circumstances surrounding the foundation of our country. The ongoing attempts by the British to disarm individual colonials was the most significant proximate cause of the beginning of hostilities in the American revolution.

But then, I'm probably preaching to the choir here.

yellowfin
07-25-2009, 6:10 AM
Impressive research. I would ask where in the heck we find people with such absurd perspective and what moron taught it to them if I didn't already know. The latter half of that is what we need to work on defeating to win permanently.

MrClamperSir
07-25-2009, 9:24 AM
There was at least 173 pages of that crap?:ack2:

Gator Monroe
07-25-2009, 9:28 AM
He is a Democrat & an Anti (Remember this in the Mid Terms ):chris:

PatriotnMore
07-25-2009, 9:29 AM
What I find disturbing is, there are those in D.C. who seek out to place people like this in power, what types of people do you think they will hire, and promote.

We can find this all the way down the line, including what types of police recruits may be looked for when hiring in agencies across the country.

Impressive research. I would ask where in the heck we find people with such absurd perspective and what moron taught it to them if I didn't already know. The latter half of that is what we need to work on defeating to win permanently.

Cool Gun Wife
07-25-2009, 7:17 PM
We should all be grateful Cass Sunstein was not nominated for SCOTUS as I believe he would be one of Dear Leader's top choices. With sick minds like Sunstein's in this administration, pray for the continued good health of Roberts, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas. Add sanity to your prayers for Kennedy and we may weather this storm yet!

radioman
07-25-2009, 7:36 PM
if we have a flip flop in power in 2010, will that help or will it still fubr. if I had to guess I'd say fubr, republicans had the power, and, we still had fubr. maybe we need a new party, what do you think? the country and the state are going like the titanic, and all the dems and repub do is to blame the other, we need more then that, don't we? and as far the constitution goes, it's just paper to wipe their fat butts on, no one in government give's a hoot about our rights.

ScottB
07-25-2009, 7:53 PM
You think his position on the2nd is bad - you should read the extemist animal rights positions he holds:

July 22, 2009: WASHINGTON (Fox News)

"...Sunstein has the strong support of the Humane Society of the United States, which is the political arm of the radical animal rights movement, according to a July 15 statement by HSUS Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Michael Markarian in The Huffington Post. Referring to the regulations to implement the federal Animal Welfare Act, and new rules about animal fighting and importing dogs, Markarian wrote: "These kinds of legal changes are precisely why Americans need a regulatory czar like Cass Sunstein in charge of OIRA -- to make sure the federal agencies properly implement regulations to enforce these new laws."

The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) "reviews and alters regulations created by federal agencies," according to Congress Daily.

Sunstein, who has published 15 books, would have broad powers to review, recommend changes and possibly engineer changes in all federal regulations, including those about dog ownership, farming, hunting on federal lands, and enforcement of gun control laws.

In his published writings and speeches, Sunstein has advocated:

Giving animal rights groups the power to file lawsuits on the behalf of animals against their owners.

Very strict regulations about animal ownership, farming and hunting.

The elimination of hunting.

The elimination of the individual right to keep and bear arms.

Moving toward a vegan vegetarian society.

Rewriting the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And restrictions on free speech.

Each of those assertions will be documented later in this report by direct quotations from Sunstein's published books and speeches.

This is underscored by Sunstein's status as a close personal friend and advisor to President Obama since they met in 1992, when Sunstein taught law at the University of Chicago. This will give Sunstein unprecedented influence and access to the President.

It is further underscored by numerous mainstream reports that Sunstein is slated to be President Obama's next nominee to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. This adds to the urgency of convincing the Senate that Sunstein's beliefs are un-American and in direct contradiction to the basic principles outlined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Although Sunstein's nomination had been blocked by Sen. Chambliss until last week, Government Executive reported that he actually has been working at the job in the White House on a daily basis.

Sunstein's potential use of power – and potential abuse of power – has been increased because President Obama redefined the role of OIRA shortly after taking office. The Wall Street Journal reported July 6: "In a significant, but little noticed, memo written 10 days after taking office, Mr. Obama ordered up a rewrite of how OIRA goes about its work, the first such revision since 1993. `Far more is now known about regulation -- not only when it is justified, but also what works and what does not,' the president wrote. A regulatory review would make use of new tools and would `clarify the role of the behavioral sciences in formulating regulatory policy.' "

The Wall Street Journal called the OIRA "obscure but powerful."

Here are some direct quotes from Sunstein:

1. "We ought to ban hunting"
- Cass Sunstein, in a 2007 speech at Harvard University

2. "We should focus attention not only on the enforcement gap, but on the areas where current law offers little or no protection. In short, the law should impose further regulation on hunting, scientific experiments, entertainment, and (above all) farming to ensure against unnecessary animal suffering. It is easy to imagine a set of initiatives that would do a great deal here, and indeed European nations have moved in just this direction. There are many possibilities. "
--Cass R. Sunstein, "The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer," John M. Olin
Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of
Chicago

3. "…representatives of animals should be able to bring private suits to ensure that anticruelty and related laws are actually enforced. If, for example, a farm is treating horses cruelly and in violation of legal requirements, a suit could be brought, on behalf of those animals, to bring about compliance with the law."
--Cass R. Sunstein, "The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer," John M. Olin
Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of Chicago

4. "But if, as a practical matter, animals used for food are almost inevitably going to endure terrible suffering, then there is a good argument that people should not eat meat to the extent that a refusal to eat meat will reduce that suffering. Of course a legal ban on meat-eating would be extremely radical, and like prohibition, it would undoubtedly create black markets and have a set of bad, and huge, side-effects. But the principle seems clear: People should be much less inclined to eat meat if their refusal to do so would prevent significant suffering."
--Cass R. Sunstein, "The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer," John M. Olin
Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of
Chicago

5. "Less modestly, anticruelty laws should be extended to areas that are now exempt from them, including scientific experiments and farming. There is no good reason to permit the level of suffering that is now being experienced by millions, even billions of living creatures."
"The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer," John M. Olin
Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of
Chicago

6. "Everything depends on whether and to what extent the animal in question is capable of suffering. If rats are able to suffer, then their interests are relevant to the question of how, and perhaps even whether, they can be expelled from houses."
--Cass R. Sunstein, Martha C. Nussbaum. Animal Rights: Current Debates and
New Directions. (Oxford University Press, USA, 2004). P. 12

7. "A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government. "
--Cass Sunstein, arguing for a Fairness Doctrine for the Internet in his book,
Republic.com 2.0 (Princeton University Press, 2007), p.137

8. "In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully `ours'? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?... Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth
defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public … There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day …"
-- Cass R. Sunstein, "Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes," The Chicago
Tribune, April 14, 1999

9. "Much of the time, the United States seems to have embraced a confused and pernicious form of individualism. This approach endorses rights of private property and freedom of contract, and respects political liberty, but claims to distrust `government intervention' and insists that people must fend for themselves. This form of so-called individualism is incoherent, a tangle of confusions."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, The Second Bill of Rights: FDR's Unfinished Revolution and
Why We Need it More Than Ever, Basic Books, New York, 2004, p. 3

10. "Almost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine. And if the Court is right, then fundamentalism does not justify the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms."
- Cass Sunstein, writing in his book, "Radicals in Robes"

11. "…[T]he Second Amendment seems to specify its own purpose, which is to protect the"well regulated Militia." If that is the purpose of the Second Amendment (as Burger believed), then we might speculate that it safeguards not individual rights but federalism."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, "The Most Mysterious Right," National Review, November
12, 2007

12. In his 2004 book The Second Bill of Rights: FDR's Unfinished Revolution and Why We Need It More than Ever, Sunstein claims that "citizens' rights exist only to the extent that they are granted by the government."

forgiven
07-25-2009, 10:37 PM
Man, Obama:puke:can pick losers.

gcvt
07-25-2009, 11:13 PM
A few more of his thoughts/ideas...

- Keeping pets is a form of slavery.
- Tax day should be celebrated because it means freedom.
- Obama should control the internet and be able to turn it on and off.
- Advocated regulating the content of personal emails.
- Believes non-profit organizations should be forced to publish information contrary to their mission and beliefs on their web sites.
- See the WWW as anti-democratic.
- Proposed a 'Civility Check' that would check if your email was 'angry' and caution you to 'think it over' before sending.
- Equates livestock treatment to slavery and mass extermination of human beings.

He's a freakin' whack job!

cousinkix1953
07-26-2009, 12:52 AM
He is a Democrat & an Anti (Remember this in the Mid Terms ):chris:
The Democratic Party is infested with all of the San Francisco bay area's radical elements. They are anti-gun, anti-hunting, animal rights and enviro-wackos. The latter two are by-products of the counter-culture. Most of them couldn't psass a drug test if their lives depended upon it. They have destroyed much of the commercial fishing industry with Washington DC's beauracratic rules. Agriculture is dying in the Central Valley too. The farmers can't get any more water; because those tree huggers want to save a two inch fish instead of the human race. There isn't much left for the economy any more; so we might as well grow cannabis and sell marijuana just like those tofu eating tree huggers do.

Don't shoot the mountain lions who invade your densely populated city neighborhoods either...

thatrogue
07-26-2009, 2:26 AM
Hopefully sheeple wake up soon, If he receives confirmation it will make me retire my American flag and fly the Gadsen, and Gonzalez flag until change swings in our liberty's favor.

cousinkix1953
07-26-2009, 4:25 AM
Hopefully sheeple wake up soon, If he receives confirmation it will make me retire my American flag and fly the Gadsen, and Gonzalez flag until change swings in our liberty's favor.
Didn't the local goons harass somebody for flying his "Don't Tread on Me" a few months ago? Our new Homeland Insecurty branch might suspect you of being subversive. Believing in the 2A makes you dangerous...

yellowfin
07-26-2009, 5:36 AM
It's funny how I seem to remember TPFI and his voters specifically saying "Nobody wants to take away your hunting.". I remember it rather vividly actually.

JDay
07-26-2009, 6:13 AM
Typical Socialist dribble. Notice how he admits its a Socialist view bet then acts like it was never accepted before 1980. As far back as 1773 firearms ownership was considered and individual right and duty in this nation. Every able bodied man who was of adult age (15+) was expected to own one.

ScottB
07-26-2009, 8:44 AM
+5 --I would add we need to study the enemy and their methods, and that would be Saul Alinsky, Noam Chomsky, ACORN etc. We must thoroughly understand their propoganda so we do not fall into their reactionary traps just to be used to further their agenda. Then we the citizens need to rise up en masse like a roaring lion, crush the opposition with an overwhelming conservative movement and place our Constitution in it's righful place.

Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" - required reading for understanding the Obama plan and his tactics. Its pretty clear that Obama, his friends and influences are predominantly Marxists.

Sunstein is probably the most outrageously anti-American in his beliefs. In my mind he is much more dangerous than Ayers because he is one of the most cited and accomplished legal scholars in the country - which is a searing indictment of the sorry state of much of what passes for legal scholarship in the country today. Nonetheless, this guy is very influential and if he ever got nominated for SCOTUS, we would be in for the fight of our lives to get him denied.

Midian
07-26-2009, 8:49 AM
Wow. What a nice find, Barry.

Jesus, it's just one royal asshat after another.

Can'thavenuthingood
07-26-2009, 9:00 AM
Hopefully sheeple wake up soon, If he receives confirmation it will make me retire my American flag and fly the Gadsen, and Gonzalez flag until change swings in our liberty's favor.

Czars don't get confirmed, these are just people Obama wants to move to the head of the line for high level government experience to enable easier confirmation to a real post at a later date.

I think he must be up about 30 czars now. No authority, no budgets. Yet.

Vick

navyinrwanda
07-26-2009, 9:01 AM
In academia, Cass Sunstein is considered "middle-of-the-road".

Of course, most everyone acknowledges that academia and particularly legal scholars are far to the left of mainstream America. Sunstein was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for seventeen years (where President Obama was also a faculty member). He's also a Harvard Law alumnus (as is Obama), and is currently the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School.

Most of the academics on the relatively libertarian/conservative Volokh Conspiracy (http://www.volokh.com/) tend to like Sunstein, and think he's a great pick to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

We're still a very ideologically polarized nation.

NotEnoughGuns
07-26-2009, 9:03 AM
if we have a flip flop in power in 2010, will that help or will it still fubr. if I had to guess I'd say fubr, republicans had the power, and, we still had fubr. maybe we need a new party, what do you think? the country and the state are going like the titanic, and all the dems and repub do is to blame the other, we need more then that, don't we? and as far the constitution goes, it's just paper to wipe their fat butts on, no one in government give's a hoot about our rights.


+1,000,000

There is a third party for everyone. If we want change we need to show both parties that we are fed up by not voting for either.

On a side note, I did change my voter registration to republican so I could vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, I knew he wouldn't win but I had to out of principle to tell the rep party they are way off track. Now I understand his son Rand is going to run for congress in TN I think, I will be sending some money his way to help with the campaign.

Oh yeah, I changed back to my third party right after the primaries, wrote in Ron Paul in the presidential ballot. My small form of protest I guess.

dustoff31
07-26-2009, 9:04 AM
Wow. What a nice find, Barry.

Jesus, it's just one royal asshat after another.


They are the only kind of people he knows. You know, birds of a feather, flock together.

Can'thavenuthingood
07-26-2009, 9:08 AM
Crap, where have I been?
He is nominated.
Cornyn of Texas put a hold on the vote though.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obama-regulatory-czars-confirmation-held-hunting-rights-proponent/

Chambliss said he was dropping his hold because Sunstein had convinced him that he "would not take any steps to promote litigation on behalf of animals," and that he believes the "Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess guns for purposes of both hunting and self defense."

Meaning we all must stay home with our guns as they cannot be brought outside except with hunting permit.

Vick

navyinrwanda
07-26-2009, 9:18 AM
Sunstein's nomination generated opposition among progressive legal scholars (http://www.progressivereform.org/SunsteinOIRA.cfm) and environmentalists (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/01/10/cass-sunstein-anti-regulation/).

They think he's too conservative.

ScottB
07-26-2009, 9:54 AM
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Fate
07-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Wow...that guy is a loon.
Believing in the 2A makes you dangerous... That's the freakin' point!

Two Shots
07-26-2009, 10:27 AM
What I find disturbing is, there are those in D.C. who seek out to place people like this in power, what types of people do you think they will hire, and promote.

We can find this all the way down the line, including what types of police recruits may be looked for when hiring in agencies across the country.

It's called stacking the deck in your favor.

MAC USMC
07-26-2009, 10:48 AM
HE KNOWS

Hold on there! Do not make the mistake of believing these people DO NOT UNDERSTAND the Second Amendment. They do KNOW - - therein is the root of the problem. Their position is not based on misunderstanding or poor logic.

By deliberately misconstruing the legitmate meaning of the document, by inserting language that never existed, and by inventing contorted versions of the INTENT of the amendment the liberals want to gradually erode the rights of the people regarding gun ownership.

Without question, A DISARMED AMERICA is the ultimate goal. I oftern wonder what is the scheme they plan to implement that requires an un-armed populace for it to function?

Gator Monroe
07-26-2009, 11:05 AM
if we have a flip flop in power in 2010, will that help or will it still fubr. if I had to guess I'd say fubr, republicans had the power, and, we still had fubr. maybe we need a new party, what do you think? the country and the state are going like the titanic, and all the dems and repub do is to blame the other, we need more then that, don't we? and as far the constitution goes, it's just paper to wipe their fat butts on, no one in government give's a hoot about our rights.

We have proven a Majority of Democrats are Anti's, IT'S UP TO YOU TO PROVE THAT ANYWHERE NEAR A MAJORITY OF GOP members are Anti's before what you say is believable, and Dems have been the power for over 3 years in Government so the fubr is on the Dems now .

POLICESTATE
07-26-2009, 11:36 AM
What an absolute fruit loop. If he's in love with animals sooo much maybe he should go live in the deepest, darkest Africa or Amazon with the animals. And let us not see nor hear from him again!

ScottB
07-26-2009, 12:46 PM
I nominate him to take Nathan "Grizzly Man" Treadwell's place

cousinkix1953
07-26-2009, 2:18 PM
Hopefully sheeple wake up soon.
Some already are. They are learning the hard way about Obama Care. People over 65 will be required to attend "end of life" and "dyying with dignity" counseling sessions every few years. Big brother has to save that money to spend on his socialist pipe dreams. They have gone from abortion to euthanasia. It sounds more like the Third Reich every day. ACORN will become the modern day version of those SA brownshirts...

cousinkix1953
07-26-2009, 2:33 PM
HE KNOWS

Hold on there! Do not make the mistake of believing these people DO NOT UNDERSTAND the Second Amendment. They do KNOW - - therein is the root of the problem. Their position is not based on misunderstanding or poor logic.

By deliberately misconstruing the legitmate meaning of the document, by inserting language that never existed, and by inventing contorted versions of the INTENT of the amendment the liberals want to gradually erode the rights of the people regarding gun ownership.

Without question, A DISARMED AMERICA is the ultimate goal. I oftern wonder what is the scheme they plan to implement that requires an un-armed populace for it to function?
Exactly right. I realized this in the late 60s. We still had a mass media that recognized that gun registration = confiscation. It became even clearer; when the SCOTUS decided that criminals couldn't be prosecuted for posession of an unregistered firearm.

Big brother was really after us instead of the dirtbags. So I dropped out of the system decades ago and began buying guns at flea markets and gun shows with no questions asked during the 60s-80s. Most of those Kommiefornia gun control laws cripple the rights of law abiding citizens. Avoid the DROS system at all costs unless you are willing to give up your guns someday. Buy some junk from the local FFLs; so you can surrender something to the GESTAPO agent when this day comes...

cousinkix1953
07-26-2009, 2:39 PM
We have proven a Majority of Democrats are Anti's, IT'S UP TO YOU TO PROVE THAT ANYWHERE NEAR A MAJORITY OF GOP members are Anti's before what you say is believable, and Dems have been the power for over 3 years in Government so the fubr is on the Dems now .
Most of those antis are from BLUE states and districts. There are no more Republicans in the House from New England any more. Voters got rid of anti-gun GOP members like rep. Christopher Shays in last year's election wipeout. Not many of them left out here either...

B Strong
07-26-2009, 4:18 PM
This nominee needs to be confirmed...

To an institution.

Gator Monroe
07-26-2009, 4:56 PM
Most of those antis are from BLUE states and districts. There are no more Republicans in the House from New England any more. Voters got rid of anti-gun GOP members like rep. Christopher Shays in last year's election wipeout. Not many of them left out here either...

DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS ARE 80% ANTI / GOP Politicians are 20% anti ? (Sound about right ?)

Edge
07-26-2009, 5:43 PM
I hate that the letter of the law, or constitution, and the intent are selectively used against us.

How is it that for over 150 years no one debated that the 2nd Amendment didn't guarantee an individual's right to own firearms?

Mstrty
07-26-2009, 5:58 PM
Remember guy we need to work hard to get "almost" all anti 2A politicans out in 2010. but save a few so we never forget why we worked so hard.