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command_liner
07-23-2009, 9:27 PM
The assembly works on weird ways. Many of you have read the
July 17 2009 'Apology to Chinese' passed by the Assembly. The current
declared fiscal emergency prevents the passage of bills, but permits
the passage of resolutions.

So, Fong sponsored and carried ACR 42. Right there in the 7th
paragraph is an admission that the current law, the one we have now,
was passed to prevent Chinese from exercising "the right to bear arms".
No joke! The assembly this week admitted the racial discriminatory
intent of the existing law regarding handguns.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/acr_42_bill_20090717_chaptered.html

Pigs will fly next and the ACLU will file a pro-handgun case. Oh, the
latter just happened too. Watch out for airborne bacon!

Doubtless many of you have also read the editorial in the 192?
San Francisco paper describing the reason for handgun law was to
keep Chinese, Negros and Mexicans from having handguns. (Not
my wording, from the original.) The papers of the time spelled out
the direct, specific, racial intent.

All ye of little faith, have no doubt. This little bit of text published
by the Assembly this week is due, at least in part, to Nordyke.
The question is what do we do next? The Assembly
has admitted an error. Can we ask them to correct that error?

Does the re-affirmation of racial discrimination in legislative intent
simply cause the current law to vanish in a cloud of stench? Really,
how can the current law stand given any reasonable reading of the
14th after Heller? Even without the 14th, how can the law stand?

Given that the assembly just admitted racial intent, does every
Chinese-American citizen of California that has applied for and failed
to get a carry permit have immediate standing to file Federal Section
1983 actions? If not, why not?

Kid Stanislaus
07-23-2009, 9:34 PM
It won't phaze the liberals one bit. Cognitive dissonence is a way of life with them.

jjperl
07-23-2009, 9:38 PM
wow... this states government really is out of its mind.

bellson
07-23-2009, 9:55 PM
It won't phaze the liberals one bit. Cognitive dissonence is a way of life with them.

Screw the Libs. It is about time that we as a State begin to redress our historical wrongs.

I agree that this is long past due, and that the real answer to the wrong is that we as a people work to erase all in-equality. This is just one aspect of that in-equality.

I will avoid the rant that is just beginning to form in my little pea-brain.

Suffice to say, that ALL men are created equal, and our founding fathers made certain that All good citizens had access to the means of thier own defense.

God Bless America, and God Bless the great State of California.

Librarian
07-23-2009, 10:21 PM
...
WHEREAS, The Legislature enacted discriminatory laws targeting
Chinese in America and Chinese immigrants in order to discourage
further immigration from China and sought to severely limit the
success of the Chinese laborers already here; and
WHEREAS, Among other things, these laws denied the Chinese in
California the right to own land or property, the right to vote, and
the right to marry a white person, denied children of Chinese descent
access to public schools, denied Chinese immigrants the right to
bear arms, unfairly targeted women ...

You really have to stretch to call that 'California apologizes for current handgun law'.

And it doesn't really support 'The assembly this week admitted the racial discriminatory intent of the existing law regarding handguns.'

I don't doubt for a moment that a number of things pre-WW2 were easily understood to be so motivated. That fails to explain today's laws.

Sutcliffe
07-24-2009, 12:09 AM
What possibly could you gain by disarming your enemies?

socaldsal
07-24-2009, 1:27 AM
So can they apologize for the stuff that affects me RIGHT NOW, and repeal or amend or piss on THOSE measures? :confused:

forgiven
07-24-2009, 3:38 AM
:90:

riprap
07-24-2009, 5:36 AM
Unfortunately, the lib response won’t be reparation (e.g. AKs for all!). Their vision is to make everyone equally victimized by stripping all of their RKBA.

elenius
07-24-2009, 6:55 AM
You really have to stretch to call that 'California apologizes for current handgun law'.

And it doesn't really support 'The assembly this week admitted the racial discriminatory intent of the existing law regarding handguns.'

I don't doubt for a moment that a number of things pre-WW2 were easily understood to be so motivated. That fails to explain today's laws.

Yeah but aren't we still living with a lot of laws from that time?

bodger
07-24-2009, 7:08 AM
"Cloud of stench" pretty much sums up the gun laws in this state whether they exclude a bunch of Chinese guys or not.

And there are plenty that stink worse than this one and they aren't going away.

Mute
07-24-2009, 8:46 AM
Another meaningless gesture given by those who had nothing to do with what happen and given to a majority of people who were never the true victims. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of those who were wronged have since passed away.

These idiots should apologize to all Californians for their stupidity and unethical behavior.

command_liner
07-24-2009, 8:59 AM
You really have to stretch to call that 'California apologizes for current handgun law'.

And it doesn't really support 'The assembly this week admitted the racial discriminatory intent of the existing law regarding handguns.'

I don't doubt for a moment that a number of things pre-WW2 were easily understood to be so motivated. That fails to explain today's laws.

Not so much stretching is needed. Compare the current situation to
emanations and penumbras of Roe, or to the current interpretation of
Title IX.

The law, as it was passed in the 1920s is substantially the same as it
is today. What operative changes have been made in the law?

The law, when passed, and as used early on, was racially discriminatory
in intent and use. This form is a bit small for discussion of the race
aspect. There are many papers on the subject. There is one good book,
too. Read "The Racist Roots of Gun Control" by Cramer, which is fairly
recent.

Review the law with an eye towards Duke Power, as the USSC just did
in Ricci. Duke Power was not overturned, and is the law of the land.
Is the racial balance of current issued CCWs exactly the same as
racial balance of the State of California? No. By the reasoning in Duke,
then the law is racially discriminatory and should be voided.

Regardless of whatever else the proclamation said, it specifically mentioned
"bear arms". Other wording could have been used, but those specific
words have some meaning. What other meaning could there be, except
the law that was passed by an earlier Assembly was racially motivated?
We know the handgun law was passed to prohibit Chinese Americans from
bearing arms. Is there any other explanation possible? Consider the plain,
direct meaning of the text.

The "California apologizes" wording comes from the dozen-or-so wire articles
that were printed. And the actual words of the proclamation are an
apology. The Assembly is the people's voice, so yes, California apologizes.

When the Assembly admits to making unconstitutional laws we all despise,
we should let them do so. More generally, if your enemy is self destructing,
you should not prevent him from doing so.

For those filing Section 1983 suits and 14th Amendment suits here in
California where handguns are the issue, this proclamation is a huge gift.
Consider it in parallel with Jerry Brown's recent gift. The AG says 'we need
help with this law, as it might be unconstitutonal'. The Assembly says
'we apologize for this racist law we passed a while back'.

GuyW
07-24-2009, 9:37 AM
The socialists in the CA Legislature don't care about this past discrimination, because they're dedicated to equal rights today.....

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....they want to keep all of us on the plantation....

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PatriotnMore
07-24-2009, 9:57 AM
Exactly. Why does the average citizen have a hard time understanding, that today's attempts to take away, restrict, and deny you your 2A rights, are exactly designed with the same intent?

Those behind denying us our rights use wording to confuse and draw sympathy from you in the form of reducing criminal activity, preventing deaths in children, reducing gang crime, and the list goes on.

We have more than enough gun laws on the books, and no amount of gun legislation is going to stop criminals, and gangs. The gun deaths among children on a national level, although tragic, is so low, I would bet we have more deaths in children from an adverse reaction in cough syrup, than gun deaths.

Nothing short of complete restriction of your right will serve the purpose they plan to accomplish. Heller was a major speed bump in the road, but rest assured, they will use any and every tool at their hands to accomplish this goal. If you think Heller made it safe for us, you better think again.



What possibly could you gain by disarming your enemies?

demnogis
07-24-2009, 9:58 AM
Funny how CA legislature admitted to racist laws coming forth. 12031 came in response to a Black rights group marching in protest for their rights with loaded guns (in the late 1960s or early 1970s). Tell me that isn't racially bigoted legislation? I guess the assembly was scared that black people wanted their rights too.

nobody_special
07-24-2009, 2:28 PM
Exactly which PC sections are at issue here?