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07-18-2009, 10:28 PM
Did a quick search but didn't see anything here, anyone see this:

A U.S. senator is pushing for a law that would let concealed-weapons-permit holders carry their guns in nearly every state, but gun-control advocates are blasting the idea.
One Utah supporter likes the idea, but concedes it is likely doomed.
Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., is proposing an amendment to a major defense bill that would require any state that issues concealed-weapons permits to honor those from any other state.
Currently, 48 states permit concealed weapons; Wisconsin and Illinois are the only two that do not. Thirty-three states recognize Utah's concealed-weapons permit.
"I believe that a state's border should not be a limit on this fundamental right," Thune said, "and that law-abiding individuals should be guaranteed their Second Amendment rights without complication as they travel throughout the 48 states that currently permit some form of conceal and carry."

But a handful of gun-control groups -- the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Freedom States Alliance, Legal Community Against Violence, States United to Prevent Gun Violence, and Violence Policy Center -- issued a joint statement criticizing Thune's amendment, saying it would undermine state laws and result in more guns on the street.
"Concealed carry laws do not, as their proponents argue, aid police and enhance public safety. Instead, they threaten law enforcement and arm criminals," the statement said. "States should be acting to repeal these laws instead of Congress moving to expand their deadly reach."

The groups argued that several states have minimal requirements to get a permit, and studies have shown loopholes in other states that have granted permits to felons or others who shouldn't have had one. If Thune's proposal is adopted, the groups argue, those flawed systems essentially would become the national standard.
Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said the Beehive State's permit is the "de facto national permit right now," and its background-check system is swamped with out-of-state applicants. While 33 states recognize Utah's permits, Thune's amendment would require 15 others to follow suit -- a positive move, Aposhian said.
"A driver's license is accepted [in other states]. All these other types of professional licenses that are not protected by the Second Amendment, which are not fundamental rights," are accepted, he added. "Why shouldn't the right of lawful self defense continue across the states' borders?"

Thune's amendment likely will be debated when the Senate reconvenes next week, but Aposhian said similar efforts have failed in the past and, given the new Democratic dominance in Congress, this one also is likely to fizzle.

Thune is also sponsoring a separate bill to accomplish the same goal, a measure that is co-sponsored by Utah Republican Sens. Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett.
There is a House version, but none of Utah's three representatives are co-sponsors. All three back a proposal that would create a national concealed-weapons permit with uniform standards.

07-18-2009, 10:53 PM
You might want to apply for POST acadamy and then get a job, thats the only way you'll be legal to carry in all states.

I like how the joint statement is refering to criminals carrying guns. Ahhh HELLO!!! they're going to carry anyway.........thier effn' CRIMINALS who don't give 2 s***'s about any damn law in the first place. So instead we'll go ahead and try to make it impossible to let someone carry the only thing that can level the playing field.

Will these people grow the eff up and try to use that gray matter between thier ears instead of thier hearts.

07-18-2009, 11:10 PM
Instead, they threaten law enforcement and arm criminals
This was the best part. Talk about pulling something out of thin air. Just cuz you say it, does not make it true. I would love to see the "studies" showing how concealed carry threatens law enforcement, and arms criminals. Fracking Brady Bunch.

07-18-2009, 11:26 PM
Instead, they threaten law enforcement and arm criminals

Describes all these evil gun control traitors to a T.

07-19-2009, 8:24 AM

URGENT - U.S. Senate To Consider Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Amendment Early Next Week

Friday, July 17, 2009

Contact Your U.S. Senators TODAY And
Urge Them To Support Your Right To Self-Defense

The U.S. Senate is now considering the National Defense Authorization Act (S. 1390). As a part of the consideration of that legislation, Senators John Thune (R-SD) and David Vitter (R-LA) will offer an amendment on Monday to provide for interstate recognition of Right-to-Carry permits. There is a very high likelihood of a Senate floor vote on this important and timely pro-gun reform on Monday or Tuesday.

While the right to possess firearms for self-defense within the home has long been respected under the law, for most of our nation's history, state and local governments have prohibited ordinary citizens from possessing firearms for self-defense in many settings outside the home. Recently, however, most state legislatures have taken steps to reduce those restrictions. In the last twenty years, the number of states that respect the right to carry has risen from 10 to 40 -- an all-time high.

Now is the time for Congress to acknowledge these changes in state laws and recognize that the right to self-defense does not end at state lines. Under the Thune-Vitter amendment, an individual who has met the requirements for a carry permit, or who is otherwise allowed by his home state's state law to carry a firearm, would be authorized to carry a firearm for protection in any other state that issues such permits, subject to the laws of the state in which the firearm is carried.

Contrary to "states' rights" claims from opponents who usually favor sweeping federal gun control, the amendment is a legitimate exercise of Congress's constitutional power to protect the fundamental rights of citizens (including the right to keep and bear arms and the right of personal mobility). States would still have the authority to regulate the time, place and manner in which handguns are carried.

Expanding Right-to-Carry will enhance public safety, and certainly poses no threat to the public. Criminals are deterred from attempting crimes when they know or suspect that their prospective victims are armed. A study for the Department of Justice found that 40 percent of felons had not committed crimes because they feared the prospective victims were armed.

And, carry permit holders have demonstrated that they are more law-abiding than the rest of the public. For example, Florida has issued more carry permits than any other state (1.5 million), but revoked only 166 (0.01 percent) as a result of firearms-related crimes by permit holders.

The Thune-Vitter amendment recognizes that competent, responsible, law-abiding Americans still deserve our trust and confidence when they cross state lines. Passing interstate Right-to-Carry legislation will help further reduce crime by deterring criminals, and—most important of all—will protect the right of honest Americans to protect themselves when deterrence fails.

The Thune-Vitter Amendment represents a giant step forward in the protection of the basic right to self-defense. Its passage will recognize that the rights of law-abiding Right-to-Carry permit holders should be respected, even when they travel outside their home state.

Please be sure to contact both of your U.S. Senators today, and urge them to cosponsor and support the Thune-Vitter amendment. E-mail them today and call them on Monday.

To find contact information for your U.S. Senators, please click here, or call (202) 224-3121.

07-19-2009, 11:24 AM
How does this impact California if it passes?

If it passes and people in California cannot carry, what good is it.

07-19-2009, 11:35 AM
"Threatens law enforcement and arm criminals"

I would like to see any facts that might back up that statement. Why not just say
"If it gives people the right to own or carry firearms, it's bad for everyone. Trust us."

I throw up every time I read anything that comes from that Brady Bunch.

07-19-2009, 12:03 PM
How does this impact California if it passes?

If it passes and people in California cannot carry, what good is it.

People in CA can carry, in counties that are virtually Shall Issue. These counties include most of the land area of CA, but not the major population centers. This bill passing would also mean that vistors from Shall Issue states would be able to carry, but we who live in prohibitive areas couldn't, which makes for a very good court case.