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RRangel
07-17-2009, 11:57 PM
I wanted to mention this for input as well as to corroborate this information with anyone else who may have more. BATF has apparently ordered YHM to stop selling fixed barrel adapters, as in their flash hiders that are made to mount a silencer. That's what it looks like to me. Please post if you know more. The standard NATO government style flash hider can be used to mount a silencer. What about AAC, Ops Inc., Vortex? YHM's proprietary designs do not look that proprietary if you know what I mean.

stuckinhippytown
07-18-2009, 12:00 AM
Baft cant order anyone to do anything unless its in leg

Maestro Pistolero
07-18-2009, 2:06 AM
Baft cant order anyone to do anything unless its in leg

WTF, they are confusing law enforcement with legislating.

ryang
07-18-2009, 2:55 AM
Sounds like a logical (to them) extension of their current enforcement policies. A while back BATF ruled an adaptor that fits on the barrel and allows you to screw on a plastic soda bottle was not kosher. I believe their premise was since the adaptor's only use was to make a soda bottle silencer it was therefore illegal. Now they're taking one step further and saying any device used to mount a silencer (regardless of if it has other uses) isn't kosher either.

I don't agree with their logic, but at least I can see it.

motorhead
07-18-2009, 8:52 AM
here's some interesting workaround.
http://www.rh-custom.net/index.php?cPath=18&sort=2a&page=2

b.faust
07-18-2009, 1:30 PM
here's some interesting workaround.
http://www.rh-custom.net/index.php?cPath=18&sort=2a&page=2

"Potato Launcher" eh?

I'm sure ordering some of those parts would get you a nice knock on the door from some DoJ agents.

ke6guj
07-18-2009, 1:37 PM
note that that website mentioned above is a Euro site. the rules are different on the other side of the pond.

b.faust
07-18-2009, 1:40 PM
It sucks that the only 'silencer' we can have is this kind:

http://www.hoopgirl.com/blog/shhh.jpg

aplinker
07-18-2009, 1:42 PM
Source? Links?

I wanted to mention this for input as well as to corroborate this information with anyone else who may have more. BATF has apparently ordered YHM to stop selling fixed barrel adapters, as in their flash hiders that are made to mount a silencer. That's what it looks like to me. Please post if you know more. The standard NATO government style flash hider can be used to mount a silencer. What about AAC, Ops Inc., Vortex? YHM's proprietary designs do not look that proprietary if you know what I mean.

ke6guj
07-18-2009, 2:05 PM
Source? Links?
more info at http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42389
and at http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=285453

This is supposedly an email from YHM.

Sir,
Unfortunately I have bad news. We were finially notified by ATF Monday morning that we can no longer sell individual pistons, 3-lug adapters, fixed barrel adapters and most other componets seperately. We can sell a sound suppressor with one attaching device and that is it. We are not very happy to say the least. This is going to affect our business tremendousely. Apparently we were the first, and now ATF is going to go after all other sound suppressor manufacturers as well. We are going to fight this, and the owner of this company has already contacted some attorneys about taking legal action. As you saw we were forced to take all the products off our web page or face legal action by ATF. We are waiting to hear the final word on the QD mounts, and I am not expecting good news about them either. All I can tell you now is to be patient while we appeal ATF's ruling and hopefully get it overturned. Sorry for the inconvience, however our hands are tied at the moment, and no one is more upset than us over this matter. and as mentioned, all those components have been removed from YHM's site.

aplinker
07-18-2009, 3:00 PM
Astonishing, since a threaded barrel alone is a suppressor adapter.

What do people with multiple firearms and a single suppressor do?

more info at http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42389
and at http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=285453

This is supposedly an email from YHM.

and as mentioned, all those components have been removed from YHM's site.

RRangel
07-18-2009, 4:21 PM
Source? Links?

Sorry for no links, but it wasn't possible, and I couldn't find the info posted anywhere else. This info was presented to me as an email written from YHM to a FFL dealer that operates in Oregon and Washington.

aplinker
07-18-2009, 4:37 PM
Sorry for no links, but it wasn't possible, and I couldn't find the info posted anywhere else. This info was presented to me as an email written from YHM to a FFL dealer that operates in Oregon and Washington.

No worries, Jack had your back. :)

Hopi
07-18-2009, 4:41 PM
Hmmmmmm, how to ask this?

Is there generally a grandfather clause involved with this type of determination? What does that mean for us in CA?

jumbopanda
07-18-2009, 4:49 PM
It never ceases to amaze me that the ATF can just arbitrarily make these bull**** "rulings."

ProlificARProspect
07-18-2009, 5:02 PM
This is BS... How can the BATF just out the blue rule and stop the sale of threaded flash suppresors, and what make people with them already?

This is a jab against all firearm owners from the Feds, we need to push back and not accept this decision, the BATF needs to step back and get a reality check...

I love all these backdoor legal decision against gun Manf/owners.

technique
07-18-2009, 5:05 PM
Hmmmmmm, how to ask this?

Is there generally a grandfather clause involved with this type of determination? What does that mean for us in CA?

I'm with you there

:hide:

adamsreeftank
07-18-2009, 9:08 PM
It would be nice if they grandfathered in anything that could be used to mount a silencer. Following the logic, they are now considered silencers which we should be allowed to register. At that point, "completing" them should be legal... :43:

hawk1
07-18-2009, 9:56 PM
It would be nice if they grandfathered in anything that could be used to mount a silencer. Following the logic, they are now considered silencers which we should be allowed to register. At that point, "completing" them should be legal... :43:

We can only hope...:43:

Hopi
07-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Yeah, but how will that play in CA with suppressors prohibited?

HondaMasterTech
07-18-2009, 10:05 PM
Suppressors are logical in that you arent going to irritate people when target shooting or hunting.

Telperion
07-19-2009, 11:01 AM
This is BS... How can the BATF just out the blue rule and stop the sale of threaded flash suppresors, and what make people with them already?

They're not. This has to do with interchangeable piston mounts for pistol silencers. Before this, it was possible to buy a top shelf 9mm silencer and buy pistons to mate them to pistols with different barrel threads, or the barrel lugs on an MP5.