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bbhuang
07-17-2009, 2:43 AM
Are the P228R actually CA legal? I've done a couple of searches here and on the Sig Forum and came up with some mixed answers. Initially I assumed they were CA legal because I found a couple in a store in Vacaville. The guys at the store told me the 228's would civilian legal assuming they could find 10rd mags for them. (They had 13 round mags in the case) Are they simply mistaken or would I be able to get a P228R if it had 10 round mags?

How long will they probably be available? I doubt I'll be able to raise the funds to purchase one anytime soon. Probably December at the earliest. From what I understand this is the last run for the 228 so once they're sold they're gone. I'm pretty new to buying guns so I don't really know how fast things tend to sell.

Miltiades
07-17-2009, 3:02 AM
I just looked on the CA DOJ handgun list, and I saw one P228 listed, the standard blue P228, but I didn't see a listing for a "P228R". There were listings for other Sigs specifying the "R", such as the P220R.

So it all depends on the FFL and his interpretation. If he has a new P228R in the case and is willing to sell it to you, I think you are okay. The requirement to sell the approved gun in CA falls on the FFL, as he is the licensed individual. Once a consumer owns the gun, it doesn't matter if it is on the list, as far as his ownership goes, or his ability to do a private party transfer later on.

Here is a photo I found on Sigforum of a P228R:

http://www.lazyeights.net/Avion/P228R/20DoneLeft.jpg

bbhuang
07-17-2009, 5:21 AM
Cool, thanks for the info. Hope they still have it in stock by the time I round up the cash. I'd really like to get my hands on one.

Does suck a bit though. I think they wanted about $100 more than what I saw online at TopGunSupply.

dfens
07-17-2009, 8:25 AM
It is not on the list and highly doubt it will ever be since the 228 is discontinued except for a batch or 2 every now and then in small numbers.

I wouldn't want the DOJ banging on my door asking for a non rostered pistol back, and even worse saying I don't get my money back and or some jail time.

Personally I don't know if you could say sorry go after the FFL and be in the clear. I've heard a few dealers saying a HK 45 was a USP 45 stuff like that when they are clearly 2 different guns. Also the Glock 21 SF with the 1913 rail was ok at first till they said it was not. But in that case if you had it before they changed their position on it then it was exempt.

More than likely that 228R was intended for a LEO sale, since they are exempt from the list, so even if you bought it no mags or with 10 rounders it's a big no no.

The R is clearly stated on the List which Sig really hates since they to submit a railed and non railed model and pay for both of them to be on the list. I once talked to a Sig Rep they had just payed the fees for the non R models, then the R models became standard and the DOJ demanded they do the test and all the fees all over again or no more sales in CA. Lets just say if this state didn't account for so much sales of Sigs they would have said screw you CA.

Shane916
07-17-2009, 8:31 AM
It's transferable. Look at the Sig P226 Navy for example. Listed as P226 Navy. Every shop i've been to and done transfers with accept the new P226R Navy. It's most likely up to your FFL so YMMV.

trendar5
07-17-2009, 10:18 AM
The fact that it had 13-round magazines should be a clue that its off-roster, which it is.

bbhuang
07-17-2009, 11:40 AM
The fact that it had 13-round magazines should be a clue that its off-roster, which it is.

The guys at the store told me if they could get a 10 round magazine for it I could buy it. I didn't have any reason to question if it was on the list until recently when I found it cheaper online. Though now I kinda wonder how good they are with their paperwork. I just noticed they had my P226ST listed as a P226DAK on my paperwork.

Shane916
07-17-2009, 12:18 PM
The guys at the store told me if they could get a 10 round magazine for it I could buy it.

They use the same magazine as the P229. Plenty of those in 10 rounders available.

rips31
07-17-2009, 11:30 PM
are you sure that it's the same as p229, or does it use the standard p228 mags? if std, it will use the p228 13rd std mags, or 10rd 'neutered' mags.

They use the same magazine as the P229. Plenty of those in 10 rounders available.

battleship
07-17-2009, 11:35 PM
There is only one main gun store in Vacaville that i know of. better get your skates on if you want it.

Shane916
07-18-2009, 8:29 AM
are you sure that it's the same as p229, or does it use the standard p228 mags? if std, it will use the p228 13rd std mags, or 10rd 'neutered' mags.

Correct on the ladder.

berg
07-18-2009, 10:09 AM
It's very easy to find 10 round P228 mags so you should be able to get that pistol. Plus, where on the gun does it say P228R? All the ones I've seen have P228 stamped on them. Maybe because that's what it is. ;)

bbhuang
07-18-2009, 3:27 PM
It sounds like it shouldn't be too much trouble to get it then. If I can't find a FFL to send it to (I'm thinking of getting it from topgun supply) I guess I'll bite the bullet and pay more and get it at the place in Vacaville.

Hopefully they still have them in stock by the time I save the money though!

Thanks again for the info everyone

thmpr
07-18-2009, 3:37 PM
It sounds like it shouldn't be too much trouble to get it then. If I can't find a FFL to send it to (I'm thinking of getting it from topgun supply) I guess I'll bite the bullet and pay more and get it at the place in Vacaville.

Hopefully they still have them in stock by the time I save the money though!

Thanks again for the info everyone



If you need a 10 rounder for the P229, let me know... I have some to send to your FFL if he is so worried about it.

HowardW56
07-18-2009, 5:02 PM
WHy not just get the 229? Same size... and it's on the list!

Shane916
07-18-2009, 7:24 PM
It's very easy to find 10 round P228 mags so you should be able to get that pistol. Plus, where on the gun does it say P228R? All the ones I've seen have P228 stamped on them. Maybe because that's what it is. ;)

+1. Precisely :)

WHy not just get the 229? Same size... and it's on the list!

The 228 is much more limited/desirable and overall nicer (IMHO) than the 229.

HowardW56
07-19-2009, 12:01 PM
+1. Precisely :)



The 228 is much more limited/desirable and overall nicer (IMHO) than the 229.

I own 220, 226, 228 & 229 pistols...

Once you start shooting a 228 or 229, you can't tell the difference...

walter
07-19-2009, 1:41 PM
I'm a big wuss.

It is not on the list and highly doubt it will ever be since the 228 is discontinued except for a batch or 2 every now and then in small numbers.

I wouldn't want the DOJ banging on my door asking for a non rostered pistol back, and even worse saying I don't get my money back and or some jail time.

Personally I don't know if you could say sorry go after the FFL and be in the clear. I've heard a few dealers saying a HK 45 was a USP 45 stuff like that when they are clearly 2 different guns. Also the Glock 21 SF with the 1913 rail was ok at first till they said it was not. But in that case if you had it before they changed their position on it then it was exempt.

More than likely that 228R was intended for a LEO sale, since they are exempt from the list, so even if you bought it no mags or with 10 rounders it's a big no no.

The R is clearly stated on the List which Sig really hates since they to submit a railed and non railed model and pay for both of them to be on the list. I once talked to a Sig Rep they had just payed the fees for the non R models, then the R models became standard and the DOJ demanded they do the test and all the fees all over again or no more sales in CA. Lets just say if this state didn't account for so much sales of Sigs they would have said screw you CA.

Shane916
07-19-2009, 9:02 PM
I own 220, 226, 228 & 229 pistols...

Once you start shooting a 228 or 229, you can't tell the difference...

To each his own :)

tonelar
07-19-2009, 9:21 PM
I pick up my M11/ 228 in about three weeks. It's railed however my ffl goes with his invoice which says SigSAUER P228.

And for the record, I sold my 9mm 229R after shooting my first 228. Sigs I own 239, 229, 220s, 226s, more 228s and a 245.

trendar5
07-19-2009, 9:44 PM
I would buy the one in Vacaville because they will sell it to you. You can score like Tony did. However, if you buy one on the internet and get it sent here, you will 99% NOT be able to DROS it in this state, and you will have to pay a re-stocking fee if the gun is sent back to the original dealer.

TZL
07-20-2009, 12:53 AM
I have a 228 non R and a 229R, honestly I can't tell much of a difference between the two aside from 10 years in age and some minor comestic changes....and the obvious rail...

TwitchALot
07-20-2009, 11:18 AM
I did try to get a 228R earlier, but IMO, it's a no go. If you can get an FFL to transfer it, by all means, but the 228R is not a rostered gun and even though the ONLY difference is the rail (and the R), it is still a non-rostered gun technically not legal for sale to us mere citizens. I confirmed this with the DOJ and Sig, for what that's worth.

Juno05
07-20-2009, 8:13 PM
That seems weird ... so the one I saw at River City Gun Exchange wasn't for sale to the general public? Guy behind the counter didn't mention anything about that ...

donbing
07-20-2009, 11:59 PM
That seems weird ... so the one I saw at River City Gun Exchange wasn't for sale to the general public? Guy behind the counter didn't mention anything about that ...

We've got P228R pistols but they're LE restricted and stay in the 'special room' for those who need more bullets in their mags :). Maybe one was being shown to an LEO and then got stuffed onto a shelf afterward instead of being put back but it wouldn't have made it through the dros pulldown menu unless the buyer had an X31 LEO exemption. We usually don't bother to show non roster handguns to the public.

Don @ River City

bbhuang
07-21-2009, 6:16 AM
It seems like at best I can shop around FFL's that might not know the difference between the 228 and 228R. Then I run the risk of having them figure it out and all of it falling through. I guess I should start emailing some FFL's and TopGun before I give up completely.

TripleT
08-18-2009, 7:52 AM
Don't know if it's still of interest but it looks like they added the P228R to the list effective today. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/recentlyadded.pdf

SONYEXEC
08-18-2009, 8:02 AM
I read these posts and thank God for inexpensive homes in NV & AZ. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

1064chubbs
08-18-2009, 9:20 AM
I did try to get a 228R earlier, but IMO, it's a no go. If you can get an FFL to transfer it, by all means, but the 228R is not a rostered gun and even though the ONLY difference is the rail (and the R), it is still a non-rostered gun technically not legal for sale to us mere citizens. I confirmed this with the DOJ and Sig, for what that's worth.

The DOJ miss typed something cause on the roster it says P228 but in the recently added pistol list it states P228R

rodog
08-18-2009, 7:34 PM
Don't know if it's still of interest but it looks like they added the P228R to the list effective today. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/recentlyadded.pdf

Cool, now I'm interested! I guess OP you've got the time to save up now. Hopefully the FFL's get these updates as well.

dohey
08-20-2009, 5:47 PM
The DOJ miss typed something cause on the roster it says P228 but in the recently added pistol list it states P228R

Roster now says both:

P228 (Blued) / Steel, Alloy Pistol 3.9" 9mm 3/27/2010
P228R (Blued) / Steel, Alloy Pistol 3.9" 9mm 8/17/201

bbhuang
08-21-2009, 9:01 AM
It looks like my wallet is gonna be hating me...

tonelar
01-05-2010, 1:19 PM
mine too/ might be getting a second one

Now that they are on the ROSTER;
does $765 out the door sound good?

Bobotheclown
01-05-2010, 5:21 PM
765 OTD is a good price. I paid 815 OTD for mine.

tbhracing
01-05-2010, 7:21 PM
Saw a P228R in Elk Grove/Sac area. 10 round mag only.

tonelar
01-05-2010, 11:03 PM
Saw a P228R in Elk Grove/Sac area. 10 round mag only.

What were they asking for it?

765 OTD is a good price. I paid 815 OTD for mine.

My first 228R was around that price, Bobo...

pTa
01-06-2010, 1:55 PM
I want one with the M11 markings not etched out
however, the only one I saw was non-railed