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Krusher
06-30-2005, 12:37 AM
Ok, I am trying to find a cabinet or something.
I have found a heck of a score.

One Im looking at possibly getting.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00077D7W.../002-2905858-2668053 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00077D7W4/entrepreneu0a-20/002-2905858-2668053)
Seems sweet and a fair deal I guess compairing to everything else ive looked at price wise etc.

Trying to check the specs. Here is the item mentioned by stack on (notice stack on says no raisers included) but the one from amazon says they include these.
Also noticce stack on says CA DOJ approved?

USING THE DOJ SITE I GET THIS
Roster of Approved Firearms Safety Devices
Search by Device


Search Again

Search results for: 6/30/05

Device Make: Stack-On
Device Model: GC-8RTA
Firearm Make: ALL


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TESTED FIREARMS

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Firearm Make: Kel-Tec
Firearm Model: P32
Caliber: .32
Barrel Length: 2 9/16"
Firearm Type: Semiautomatic Pistol

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Firearm Make: Mossberg
Firearm Model: 500
Caliber: 12 gauge
Barrel Length: 30"
Firearm Type: Shotgun

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CERTIFIED FIREARMS

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No ALL firearms have been certified for this device.



This is the result from their search engine..

Im sooooooo confused on does this meet it or not?


anyone have experance with the stack on ready to assemble??


Is this one doj approved or not?
lol.
Sorry but its late and the DOJ site seems to be vauge like most of the laws

rkt88edmo
06-30-2005, 6:31 AM
I find the CA DOJ Chart of Safety devices (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/devices.htm) to be much easier to use and understand.

Don't take my word for it, but your model is listed as OK for "Revolvers Pistols Derringers Rifles Shotguns" and is not caliber specific.

Don't forget to make copies of your receipt and keep them safe.

I don't know if "approved for your specific firearm" is a gray area, since most of theses are obviously not tested for most models (infinite amount of work) as your search results show.

rkt88edmo
06-30-2005, 6:37 AM
I went to your Amazon link, they are partnered to sell that item through Sportsmen's Warehouse. Look around for a SW coupon and buy directly from them, you may be able to get it even cheaper.

Krusher
06-30-2005, 11:13 AM
Rok thanks for that link,.
I agree it appears the same to me http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also checking around online for a coupon..
thanks for the responce and the link of
approved devices. also mentioning checking
for a coupon. hope to find one soon http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by ROKIT88:
I find the CA DOJ Chart of Safety devices (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/devices.htm) to be much easier to use and understand.

Don't take my word for it, but your model is listed as OK for "Revolvers Pistols Derringers Rifles Shotguns" and is not caliber specific.

Don't forget to make copies of your receipt and keep them safe.

I don't know if "approved for your specific firearm" is a gray area, since most of theses are obviously not tested for most models (infinite amount of work) as your search results show.

Krusher
06-30-2005, 7:38 PM
Ok, As I stand now I went to fowlers,
spoke with a gentleman there, he said
they dont carry stack on because their not approved. but then he says right after I inquire
all of them?. he says well some, but there is specific requirements for DOJ approval.

Affidavit stating ownership of an acceptable gun safe,. saying per standards set forth in section 977.50

requiring a lock with 10,000 possible combinations?.
etc etc etc...

This goes on and on,

what should i do at this point?
Email the link to the DOJ directly and
inquire with them if this meets their standard
or not?

Stack on Claims yes.
DOJ site http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/devices.htm
says yes.



I am very frusterated at this point,

I guess short form,]
I am now going to use their automated form
and email.

Is there any other email adresses everyone else uses?

Krusher
06-30-2005, 7:41 PM
After double checking website. I am not going to waste time
emailing them

I ask this instead..

is there anyone who belives this is NOT sufficent for
storage and as the safety device when i decide to purchase another?
(suffient with the doj? )
I know my placing of it will be sufficent.
As well I dont want to invest 100 bucks
as I dont have money to spare as of now.

Thanks for your patience, and time and effort
in working this out with me..

It's a annoying thing that one has to jump through so many hoops and be given SUCH a mix of information correct and incorrect, when trying to be within all the proper laws etc.

Originally posted by Krusher:
Ok, As I stand now I went to fowlers,
spoke with a gentleman there, he said
they dont carry stack on because their not approved. but then he says right after I inquire
all of them?. he says well some, but there is specific requirements for DOJ approval.

Affidavit stating ownership of an acceptable gun safe,. saying per standards set forth in section 977.50

requiring a lock with 10,000 possible combinations?.
etc etc etc...

This goes on and on,

what should i do at this point?
Email the link to the DOJ directly and
inquire with them if this meets their standard
or not?

Stack on Claims yes.
DOJ site http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/devices.htm
says yes.



I am very frusterated at this point,

I guess short form,]
I am now going to use their automated form
and email.

Is there any other email adresses everyone else uses?

Kruzr
07-03-2005, 4:32 PM
The Stack-On cabinets are considered an approved Lock Box, not a safe. If they are on the approved lock box listing then you can sign the bottom of the safe affadavit that you own an approved lock box for future purchases. Keep the receipt as you are supposed to present it each time you sign the affadavit.

Actual Models of Safes aren't tested and approved by Kali. They state the requirements like the Fowler's guy said and they must carry an UL Security sticker to meet the state's requirements.

Krusher
07-03-2005, 4:37 PM
Thank you,

You seem to confirm what I was thinking.
I aprecate your time and reply!!

So this will serve as the locking device if I can ever afford another.
As of now I belive my lil plinking mossberg will be the sole resident..

but this is great to hear and I think that price is great too..



Originally posted by Kruzr:
The Stack-On cabinets are considered an approved Lock Box, not a safe. If they are on the approved lock box listing then you can sign the bottom of the safe affadavit that you own an approved lock box for future purchases. Keep the receipt as you are supposed to present it each time you sign the affadavit.

Actual Models of Safes aren't tested and approved by Kali. They state the requirements like the Fowler's guy said and they must carry an UL Security sticker to meet the state's requirements.

code33
07-05-2005, 9:09 AM
Yes, the model, GC-8RTA, is DOJ approved.

I looked at that and the GC-908 in person; walked out the door with the GC-908 from City Arms in Pacifica. It was only slightly more $, slightly roomier (to store supplies), and nothing to assemble.

Check it out:
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_security/gc-908.html

Krusher
07-07-2005, 1:27 PM
Hey code if ya dont mind me asking.,
how much was the cost to walk out the door with it.

thanks http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by code33:
Yes, the model, GC-8RTA, is DOJ approved.

I looked at that and the GC-908 in person; walked out the door with the GC-908 from City Arms in Pacifica. It was only slightly more $, slightly roomier (to store supplies), and nothing to assemble.

Check it out:
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_security/gc-908.html

code33
07-07-2005, 3:17 PM
$115 + tax = $124.49

http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Guns R Tools
07-07-2005, 11:04 PM
I don't mean to hijack the thread but is this the cabinet with round keys like coke machines?

Because these types of key are easily defeated with Bic plastic pens.

Just do a search on google about Krytonite locks with Bic pens and you will see why.

Krusher
07-08-2005, 1:52 AM
no their not that style.


Originally posted by cashisnice:
I don't mean to hijack the thread but is this the cabinet with round keys like coke machines?

Because these types of key are easily defeated with Bic plastic pens.

Just do a search on google about Krytonite locks with Bic pens and you will see why.

code33
07-08-2005, 9:48 AM
Oh, forgot to mention that the price I mentioned was with a slight break.

They do have a text ad in the Advertiser so mention it or bring it in and see how much they'll knock off. I've noticed that their prices are very reasonable, even w/o a discount.

http://www.sfadvertiser.com/jds2stuff/1860.html