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TonyNorCal
02-19-2005, 9:05 PM
Thanks for your help http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was reading on AR15.com about some options (other than Fab-10) for building a CA-legal AR platform.

One is made by Vulcan/Hesse and is evidently pinned. A second involves welding a Colt lower shut and is being sold by a SoCal company (they may only be selling completed rifles).

Questions...
1.) What is FAB-10 quality like? I've heard mixed things. What is your opinion?

2.) Are you familiar with the Vulcan, welded Colt, or any others and what do you think of them?

I am about to order a Fab-10 (had my FFL send in his paperwork to Shoeless), but I don't want junk and if there's a better option I'm listening. Thanks

TonyNorCal
02-19-2005, 9:05 PM
Thanks for your help http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was reading on AR15.com about some options (other than Fab-10) for building a CA-legal AR platform.

One is made by Vulcan/Hesse and is evidently pinned. A second involves welding a Colt lower shut and is being sold by a SoCal company (they may only be selling completed rifles).

Questions...
1.) What is FAB-10 quality like? I've heard mixed things. What is your opinion?

2.) Are you familiar with the Vulcan, welded Colt, or any others and what do you think of them?

I am about to order a Fab-10 (had my FFL send in his paperwork to Shoeless), but I don't want junk and if there's a better option I'm listening. Thanks

shooterx10
02-20-2005, 10:53 PM
http://www.hunt101.com/img/181212-big.JPG

http://home.quixnet.net/~mcress/v1.jpg

The above Hesse upper's threads were literally stripped while firing.

This came directly from the AR15.com forum about Hesse/Vulcan Arms. Go to the forum and do a search for "vulcan" and you'll get an earful.

art_e@hotmail.com
02-21-2005, 7:43 AM
I had the same experience putting together a hesse upper. The barrel nut wouldnt go on tight enough so the barrel kept wobbling so I kept tightening it up ever so slightly with no success. I took off the nut and found that the threads on the upper had been stripped like whats in the picture.

No personal experience with their lowers, though I've seen threads on other forums that they are ok.

bwiese
02-21-2005, 10:05 AM
In general I've not heard good things about Hesse (and I suspect Vulcan shares much of Hesse's quality, service ethos, etc.)

Whatever ShoelessVentures/GoGoGadgets (?) has done in past, it seems they know the Calif. AR and I don't hear many problems that can be attributed to the lower (many supposed AR problems are upper-related (tight chamber) or simply due to poor lubrication).

Barring that, AR lowers are relatively noncritical. Even a ('wiggly') sloppy lower-to-upper fit in an AR doesn't really affect accuracy as much as upper + trigger + ammo quality + shooter will, and the lower really doesn't get lotsa stress on it, w/possible except of rear 'buffer tube' (receiver extension) threaded portion.

As long as key dimensions of hammer + trigger pin vs pivot pin and rear takedown pin are preserved, and as long as the magazine lips are seated at the right height and right distance forward, and as long as the 'buffer tube' is mounted straight - you're OK: the receiver can be an 'ugly duckling', but will still work OK.

Bill Wiese
San Jose