PDA

View Full Version : Ammo prices at gun shows?


thumperfbc
07-07-2005, 1:12 AM
Howdy guys,

I'm heading to the Fresno Gun Show this saturday and am wondering what prices will be like for range type .45acp ammo? I've got nothing on hand buy my defense rounds and would like to purchase at least 500 rounds, if not 1000 of basic, cheap range ammo for my sig. What should I expect?

Anybody else going to the Fresno show?

Greg Beck
07-07-2005, 8:42 AM
Buy the factory loads. Here's the score with gun show reloads. Two squibs that plugged the barrel of the 586. A blown off extracter on the Sig. I've been told this is a common problem with gun show reloads. Read the caution from Accurate Powder [arms].

07-07-2005, 8:49 AM
forget the gun show reloads. natchezss.com has a great sale on remington umc. shipping is not that much. at the gun show you will pay tax if you buy from the big vendors and you will have to carry it back to your car. if you are just going to buy ammo or beef jerky you should save the entrance fee stay at home and order of the net. it will cost the same and come right to your door.

bear
07-07-2005, 9:45 AM
I've used a quite a few boxes of "gun show reloads" without incident. This is both MiWall, and also a couple of other reloaders.

The only squib I ever had was one I made myself.
Nowadays I buy mostly components and assemble them myself. Huge savings at the gun show on powder, it's like $10 a pound less than a gun shop.

But for calibers I don't shoot much, the show often is either close to, or the same as internet sale prices. Since they often charge sales tax at the show, and shipping on the internet the prices are pretty close. Shipping is almost always more than tax though, I've found the prices pretty good at the shows for factory ammo.

I go to lots of shows, even if I don't buy anything it's still interesting, and a good way to see what's new, or run across old stuff. Since most of the pistols I like are not on "the list", it's a good place to spot guns you can't buy otherwise.

bwiese
07-07-2005, 10:04 AM
I generally don't buy reloads, but will consider quality reloads for revolvers only (38/357, 45LC, 45Colt, 44/44Mag) for general shooting.

I do like Maine Cartridge Co. reloads.

Autoloader ammo for 40, 9mm, 45ACP is cheap enough that I'd rather have 100% confidence. Plus, w/reports of KaBooms in autos w/case webs not fully supported, I think I'll play it safe.

I'd consider buying 308 match reloads in bulk for loads that mimic Fed Gold Medal Match 168gr ammo. May pick up a batch from Darryl of Reno next time I'm at a good show (or Big Reno Show).

I won't buy 223 reloads. Too close to price of new bulk ammo.

I generally buy from MiWall, their prices are good even w/sales tax. (Many gunshow vendors do not like MiWall because MiWall sells to end users at about the same price as they do to dealers.)


Bill Wiese
San Jose

DNA
07-07-2005, 10:06 AM
I've also put several thousand rounds of reloads through my guns without incident. I've used Miwall reloads and highly recommend them.

I've had more buggered rounds from factory boxes than the reloads from Miwall.

Dan

jnojr
07-07-2005, 12:07 PM
I've generally had good luck with Miwall ammo. Except their 9mm and my SIG P226 do not get along at all... I don't know if the SIG has an extra-strong recoil spring, but the Miwall just doesn't work the slide all the way.

m1afan
07-07-2005, 12:22 PM
I just picked up 1000 rounds of Wolf 45 at the Ventura show 2 weeks ago which my Kimber doesn't mind. It went for $65 per 500 or $125 for 1000 and it was also from MiWall. I like buying from gun shows rather than having it shipped because I pick up cleaning supplies/targets/spare parts for a lot cheaper even if there is an entrance fee of $8. My range out here sells target for 75 cents each. I get 20 targets for $5 at the show.

bwiese
07-07-2005, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by jnojr:
I've generally had good luck with Miwall ammo. Except their 9mm and my SIG P226 do not get along at all... I don't know if the SIG has an extra-strong recoil spring, but the Miwall just doesn't work the slide all the way.

By any chance might you have the wrong P226 recoil spring? P226s are available in 40S&W and 357Sig as well as orig 9mm versions. I could see this causing problems.

What brand/type of 9mm ammo was this causing your Sig problems? Were these new rounds (brand-name or bulk?) or MiWall reloads?

I had problems with anemic 9mm ammo too (PMC brand) when I had a Colt AR15 9mm conversion unit that had cycling issues. Kept thinking it was the gun, 'til I tried some IMI 115gr and 124gr and black tip carbine loads. All cycled fine; PMC 9mm was just anemic.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

07-07-2005, 1:09 PM
I will not buy gun show ammo. I got a case home last year and found half the stuff had some corrosion telling me the dealer did not have a proper storage facility. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

One of the local stores here, L A Guns, http://www.laguns.com/ gives me 20% off on all ammo if I buy five boxes or more of it, which brings Federal American Eagle 45 down to about $10 a box.

The range that I use, LAX http://www.laxrange.com/ also gives me quantity deals, so I would suggest you check with your local dealer to see what kind of break they offer if you buy more than one box. You just might be surprised.

Technical Ted
07-07-2005, 1:25 PM
The only .223 reloads I'm willing to shoot in my personal firearms are my own, or "remanufactured" ammo from Black Hill Ammunition.

I know other shooters who'll go through 500 rd ammo cans of Miwall reloads in a day or weekend and they've never had any complaints. The stuff is a good deal, but my only issue is that they use recycled range brass with mixed headstamps--not exactly conducive to consistency from round to round.

Miwall also sells their own line of ammo assembled from new components--technically not reloaded. Haven't looked into it thoroughly enough to find out what manufacturers components they use.

Originally posted by ShorePaul:
I will not buy gun show ammo. I got a case home last year and found half the stuff had some corrosion telling me the dealer did not have a proper storage facility.
Just another indication of your naivete http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Most of the factory loaded ammo I've fired in my firearms over the last seven years, some 10,000 rounds, has been purchased from Miwall at gunshows. I've purchased smaller lots from smaller dealers, but only after I've inspected it.

Technical Ted
07-07-2005, 1:36 PM
FWIW low cost sources for ammo can be found on the internet. http://www.ammoman.com is a popular vendor. http://www.outdoormarksman.com is another. Actually ODM is affiliated with Miwall Corp and their prices generally reflect the prices you'll pay at gunshows--without the shipping.

FYI Miwall is scheduled to be at the Fresno show.

C.G.
07-07-2005, 1:47 PM
Originally posted by jnojr:
I've generally had good luck with Miwall ammo. Except their 9mm and my SIG P226 do not get along at all... I don't know if the SIG has an extra-strong recoil spring, but the Miwall just doesn't work the slide all the way.
I've had no problem with Miwall 9mm in either 115 or 124 in my Beretta 92 Brigadier, but it did seem to have a little more kick (maybe it is +P).

bwiese
07-07-2005, 2:18 PM
Originally posted by Technical Ted:
The only .223 reloads I'm willing to shoot in my personal firearms are my own, or "remanufactured" ammo from Black Hill Ammunition.

I know other shooters who'll go through 500 rd ammo cans of Miwall reloads in a day or weekend and they've never had any complaints. The stuff is a good deal, but my only issue is that they use recycled range brass with mixed headstamps--not exactly conducive to consistency from round to round.

If I knew reloads (other than revolver ammo) were indeed true guaranteed 'once-fired-brass' I might be more amenable to reloads. Probably varies with vendor. But I am esp paranoid about 40S&W (case web issues in Glocks, H&Ks) and 223 (high primers in autoloaders.

I would trust Black Hills remans on once-fired brass though.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

Technical Ted
07-07-2005, 2:34 PM
Originally posted by bwiese:
If I knew reloads (other than revolver ammo) were indeed true guaranteed 'once-fired-brass' I might be more amenable to reloads. Probably varies with vendor. But I am esp paranoid about 40S&W (case web issues in Glocks, H&Ks) and 223 (high primers in autoloaders.
That's why I only shoot my own reloads(using a single stage press--takes longer than a progressive, but handling the cases individually lets me inspect each and every one).

So far I haven't had any issues with my 40 S&W reloads in my P99, but then I only reload them once.

I would trust Black Hills remans on once-fired brass though.
It's good stuff, but pricey.

07-07-2005, 3:15 PM
[/QUOTE]
Just another indication of your naivete http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifQUOTE]

FYI Ted, you are insulting someone that owns over a hundred guns and shot over 20,000 rounds of handgun ammo last year alone. I've been to Gunsite, Front site, and have taken self defense courses from many of the best guys locally. The general advice from the real pros Ted is to use only factory ammo. You may have time to inspect gun show ammo to save a few pennies but I don't. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

bwiese
07-07-2005, 3:21 PM
Originally posted by ShorePaul:
The general advice from the real pros Ted is to use only factory ammo. You may have time to inspect gun show ammo to save a few pennies but I don't. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ShorePaul...

Maybe we all go to different gunshows. MiWall ammo Ted & I get at gunshows IS factory ammo, and that was what Ted was saying!

I generally don't buy reloads either except for big-bore wheelgun wadcutters...

Bill Wiese
San Jose

07-07-2005, 4:11 PM
Bill, my initial problem WAS with factory gun show ammo. It was a case of Federal. Seems the dealer keeps his stock in his truck between shows.

BTW, I don't know of mywal, I only know Ted mentioned they sell cans of reloads as well as new. Either way, the problem I had was not the maker, but seller and how he stored the stuff. As I said, I just don't have time to check each round so I buy from trusted sources. And it seems I buy a hell of a lot more than Ted.

Technical Ted
07-07-2005, 4:43 PM
Originally posted by ShorePaul:
FYI Ted, you are insulting someone that owns over a hundred guns and shot over 20,000 rounds of handgun ammo last year alone. I've been to Gunsite, Front site, and have taken self defense courses from many of the best guys locally. The general advice from the real pros Ted is to use only factory ammo. You may have time to inspect gun show ammo to save a few pennies but I don't. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Haven't got it right yet?

FYI all instructors tell you to use factory ammo--especially in class so they don't have to bandage your boo-boo. They'll allow you to use reloads if you demonstrate competence. I know a lot of competitors use ammo they've loaded themselves.

Every owner's manual that came with any gun I've owned mentions that the use of reloads voids the warranty. In some cases it's warranted--unsupported cases in some Glocks, HK's and Walthers IIRC.

I don't give a flying .. how many schools you've been to, or how many rounds you've sent downrange. From the sound of it, you're just an overpaid gunshop commando with too much expendable cash and not enough common sense.

You're like the guys who go out and buy Lamborghini's and Hummers, but can't drive for **** and don't know the difference between an oil dipstick and transmission dipstick. The difference is that you buy guns instead of cars.

For your information, reloading is a hobby of mine. I don't do it to save money, in fact taking into account the amount of time I've spent reloading and test firing, and the amount of money I've spent on reloading equipment, I have yet to say that my loads are cheaper than factory. And no, I don't think I've got it right yet, but I'm enjoying the satisfaction of doing it on my own.

We have a name for guys like you around Calguns: Gudelhead

07-07-2005, 4:53 PM
NO NAME CALLING OR PERSONAL ATTACKS.

PERIOD.

colossians323
07-07-2005, 5:16 PM
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif WOW! This thread just went from bad to worse. No wonder we can't get organized to protect our freedoms.

HEUER
07-07-2005, 5:20 PM
American Eagle at Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsman's Guide. In 1992 my best friend almost had a very uncomfortable exp with Cow Palace Reloads with his Colt Sporter. Reloads? Only from dear friends who I know are squared away. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-07-2005, 5:25 PM
Originally posted by heuer:
American Eagle at Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsman's Guide. In 1992 my best friend almost had a very uncomfortable exp with Cow Palace Reloads with his Colt Sporter. Reloads? Only from dear friends who I know are squared away. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Why anyone would buy reloads for 223 is beyond me. I see factory stuff @ 3-4 dollars a box. I mean, how much can you save in a single range session by shooting 223 reloads? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Gisherwitz
07-07-2005, 5:47 PM
ShorePaul,

First you say:

As for ammo, they are $1.50 cheaper on 45acp FMJ, and $1 cheaper on 9mm FMJ. This is for boxes of 50 factory new stuff. After I get my usual 10% off for buying five boxes or more from L A Guns I’m about a few cents better off than going to Turner’s.
calguns.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5986098711/m/81110295421/r/40710690521#40710690521

Now you say:

One of the local stores here, L A Guns, http://www.laguns.com/ gives me 20% off on all ammo if I buy five boxes or more of it, which brings Federal American Eagle 45 down to about $10 a box.

If you are going to lie, keep your lies straight.

icormba
07-07-2005, 5:50 PM
I usually shoot Military surplus in rifles, Factory ammo in handguns and I don't buy any of it at gun shows. I prefer to pay my "Ca Use Tax" at the end of the year by buying online http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That said, most military surplus in .223 "is" reloaded and some is better than factory... not to mention it's almost $1.00 cheaper per box.

The only ammo that I might buy at a show would be obsolete ammo in small quantity or re-load supplies, but I don't re-load & I don't own any obsolete guns... yet.

Re-loading is a whole different hobby in it's self! One that I'd like to take up one day. I don't think I'd trust someone's "home brew" unless I knew them. that's just me.

by the way... before this thread is closed... Ted, what's a Gudelhead? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bwiese
07-07-2005, 6:25 PM
Yeah, I dunno why anyone reloads 223 except for specifically trying to do match loads (Fed GMM 223 is not much cheaper than Fed GMM 308, which is at least $18/box of 20).

But for bulk ammo to keep AR15s fed, Federal XM193 55gr is as good as it gets. IMI and Win Q3131A is pretty good, too, as is Fed American Eagle. Step up to the bar and buy 1K - 2K rounds at a time to get best deal.

On the bottom end, you can get Wolf 223 for around $110/1K. Shoots/functions just fine, just not as tight as other 223 ammo. Still great to plink with and ventilate old Pontiacs with in Nevada desert.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

Kestryll
07-07-2005, 6:45 PM
by the way... before this thread is closed... Ted, what's a Gudelhead?


Good call on the closing of the topic, give that man a cigar!

As to the term 'Gudelhead' it refers to Ted's personal cheap shot at a former member of the board that he had a disagreement with.
Much akin to me telling you not to be an Alboshole, niether one is respectful nor in good taste. Nor are they in keeping with the rules of the board.