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Farva
07-13-2009, 2:54 PM
Which would you choose? The cash isnt that big of a problem, but the XV price is much more appealing. I just wonder is the M4 variant worth the extra 500 bucks over the XV? Both look like great deals for the price but I'm stuck on which one I want.

The M4 comes with all the 'goodies' but the overall price of the XV is taunting me, I cant tell if the M4 goodies are all worth it when everything is said and done.

tomd1584
07-13-2009, 3:09 PM
I guess it depends if you're ever plan to upgrade rails, add VFG, etc. and if you like the stuff included with the M4. the rail alone is like $300.

I dont like the longer rail, personally. Both are really good deals in terms of quality for price.

JPurp
07-13-2009, 3:14 PM
Both are a good deal. My only issue with the M4 is the rails. I just don't like that they go past the gas block. It just isn't my style.

My vote would be the VX.

zman
07-13-2009, 3:28 PM
Both are a good deal. My only issue with the M4 is the rails. I just don't like that they go past the gas block. It just isn't my style.

This seems to be my gripe too. It looks weird like that.

O8SERVER
07-13-2009, 3:29 PM
I'd vote for the DDM4.

I know some people aren't fans of the extended rail system, but I like it.

Farva
07-13-2009, 3:31 PM
I also dont liek how far the M4 rail goes out, but it doesnt bother me aenough to not get it.

I just think for the price, the quailty, and the looks of the XV outweigh the M4.

I tell you what though, If I wasnt so anal about FTF gun buying id go to peachstate guns online and get the DDM4 with the 1000 rounds of ammo for just about 1700.

Buttttttt since they arent 'local' I gotta settle without it. Right now Im leaning towards the XV. i guess ill make my final judgement for when I get to hold them.

CHS
07-13-2009, 3:39 PM
The XV is worth it because they're shipping them with the cold hammer forged barrels. The M4's don't have those barrels yet.

XV + Omega 7.0 rail is THE way to go :)

BroncoBob
07-13-2009, 3:50 PM
DDM4

aplinker
07-13-2009, 4:01 PM
This seems to be my gripe too. It looks weird like that.

It might look weird, but it's vastly superior from a usability perspective.

You can use a more forward hold (as you should), you can mount a light on top (as you should).

I've ended up with burn marks on my hand from gas blocks with carbines. Not fun or pretty.

JohnnyRooks
07-13-2009, 4:30 PM
DDM4 FTW...

Farva
07-13-2009, 6:30 PM
I was going to go to riflegear for the purchase. They are nice fellows.

Farva
07-13-2009, 6:31 PM
That's the problem, people will generally sacrifice functionality just for the sake of looks.


i dunno, i dont much care for the looks of the DDM4 rail, the practicality is what intrigues me.

Jim_KT
07-13-2009, 6:31 PM
It might look weird, but it's vastly superior from a usability perspective.

You can use a more forward hold (as you should), you can mount a light on top (as you should).

I've ended up with burn marks on my hand from gas blocks with carbines. Not fun or pretty.

Absolutely.

The DDM4 isn't pretty, but neither are burn marks on my mitts.

JPurp
07-13-2009, 10:12 PM
Interesting enough if you move the VFG back towards the receiver it looks 10x better. The marketing photo with the VFG right under the gas block doesn't do it any justice.

45R
07-14-2009, 6:37 AM
XV w Omega 7 with 14.5/perm FH set up

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 6:39 AM
I bought a DDM4 before the DDXV came about. If I had to do it over again, I would have got the DDXV and put a shorter lighter DD rail on it.

Hmm but the more I think about it... no... I like the DDM4 better. The rail system is well thought out and the sling connection point are as well.

nic
07-14-2009, 6:43 AM
It might look weird, but it's vastly superior from a usability perspective.

You can use a more forward hold (as you should), you can mount a light on top (as you should).

I've ended up with burn marks on my hand from gas blocks with carbines. Not fun or pretty.

Slightly OT, but why would you choose a more forward hold on a rifle? I always feel more stable when my supporting hand is as close to the receiver as possible, and when my supporting elbow is as close to my body as possible.

Just curious why you would go this way, and what advantages it has.
Thanks,
Nic

Ivanhoe
07-14-2009, 8:42 AM
Anyone have a full description/link to the DD XV?

TZL
07-14-2009, 9:41 AM
http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=141

M4 specs


Anyone have a full description/link to the DD XV?

TZL
07-14-2009, 9:47 AM
http://www.riflegear.com/m-39-daniel-defense.aspx

The difference in price is $400, $1549 vs $1149

The DD Omega X 12 rail is worth +$300 and the Magpul MOE is worth +$50 and the VFG is worth +$50

The DD M4 says its comes with a case "Custom Daniel Defense Full-Latch 30ft Impact Plastic Case " so that is +$50 if you need cases....

overall its a wash....all depends in you like the stuff on the M4 or are going to take it all off and customize some more

I for one don't buy complete rifles as I tweak almost everything....so only stripped lowers for me...

Jim_KT
07-14-2009, 9:49 AM
Slightly OT, but why would you choose a more forward hold on a rifle? I always feel more stable when my supporting hand is as close to the receiver as possible, and when my supporting elbow is as close to my body as possible.

Just curious why you would go this way, and what advantages it has.
Thanks,
Nic

I'm not uclaplinker, but do practice a more forward support hand hold. I find that this helps with up close target transitioning and stabilization. The rifle is just easier to drive for fast follow-up shots and target transitions for me.

TZL
07-14-2009, 10:02 AM
up to a certain point, the forward grip increases stability b/c you are supporting the weight of the front end under your forward hand

the closer your two hands are together, the smaller the pivot axis you are creating, thus small movements in your hands translate into larger movements of the end of the barrel

when your 2nd hand is farther up, it creates a more stable shot as less lever effect causes less movement in the barrel end....of course this is up to a point as having the VFG too far out will compromise handling etc....

I don't think i've seen anyone running a VFG in front past the rail on a carbine or mid length system....~8-9 inches from reciever, the DD M4 rail that goes past the FSB is mainly for mounting lights or other accessories ahead of your VFG....

of course its all personal preference, run whatever setup you are more comfortable with and shoot better with.....

Slightly OT, but why would you choose a more forward hold on a rifle? I always feel more stable when my supporting hand is as close to the receiver as possible, and when my supporting elbow is as close to my body as possible.

Just curious why you would go this way, and what advantages it has.
Thanks,
Nic

Farva
07-14-2009, 10:24 AM
anyone with the DDM4, how does it shoot? Hows the Accuracy out of the box? Sights already pretty much lined up?

Ivanhoe
07-14-2009, 11:20 AM
http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=141

M4 specs

Thanks. I was looking at RG's website under upper assemblies and didn't see the X5.

CHS
07-14-2009, 11:59 AM
Thanks. I was looking at RG's website under upper assemblies and didn't see the X5.

It's probably under "Rifles", since it's not an upper :)

aplinker
07-14-2009, 7:34 PM
Truth. RifleGear had one that was mounted back and it looked excellent.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3311826760_2da3d37a99_o.jpg

http://dynamicarmament.com/images/DANIELDEFENSE/DDM4_1.jpg

TZL
07-15-2009, 6:53 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=2776793#post2776793

DD M4 for $1300, get on it !

aplinker
07-15-2009, 7:19 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=2776793#post2776793

DD M4 for $1300, get on it !

eh... I'll take mine new with free ammo at $1600.

KaTooM
07-15-2009, 7:47 PM
I love my DDM4, I have a bunch of rounds through it 2.5K. It has got alot of attention from the range masters at Angeles(all good) This is my first AR-15 type rifle, but some of these guys seem to know more than me.

First range master I talked too, he came over to check for steel(never got around to it) we talked for some time about AR related stuff. He fired it after I suggested he try it out...his comments, feels lighter than it looks, very well balanced for shooting off hand, looks very well built, feels really solid, am warming up to the front of sight rail(light options)

Chris

mag360
07-17-2009, 7:56 AM
Does it run a mid length or carbine gas system?

obpwankel
04-15-2010, 4:57 AM
old thread is old.

sorry guys, but I am planning on buying one of the 2. to me, it seems that the xv spec is slighty better " you get what you pay for" right? I see that the xv has a 1.5 fixed rear sights, by fixed, do they mean I can't upgrade to another one? I really want the troy rear sights.

obpwankel
04-15-2010, 4:58 AM
bump

obpwankel
04-15-2010, 5:02 AM
ugh, double post.

keson
04-15-2010, 5:33 AM
DDm4

lehn20
04-15-2010, 5:35 AM
When will the DDM4 come with the same barrel as the DD XV?.

obpwankel
04-15-2010, 5:45 AM
any good deals on ddxv?

KaLiFORNIA
04-15-2010, 6:06 AM
DDM4V2 has the 7.0 rail

obpwankel
04-15-2010, 6:52 AM
^ do you have a link to that?

Farva
04-15-2010, 7:03 AM
When will the DDM4 come with the same barrel as the DD XV?.

I believe the DDM4v3 has the Xv barrel.

CHS
04-15-2010, 9:42 AM
sorry guys, but I am planning on buying one of the 2. to me, it seems that the xv spec is slighty better " you get what you pay for" right? I see that the xv has a 1.5 fixed rear sights, by fixed, do they mean I can't upgrade to another one? I really want the troy rear sights.

The XV and the M4 are identical internally, with the only differences being:

M4 comes with rail, vertical grip, MOE stock, and enhanced trigger guard. XV comes with plastic trigger guard.

When will the DDM4 come with the same barrel as the DD XV?.

They have been coming with the same CHF barrel for quite a long while now.

I believe the DDM4v3 has the Xv barrel.

The DDM4v3 has a midlength gas system, also CHF, but a different barrel entirely.

Isaiah4Autumn
04-15-2010, 10:06 AM
I called DD and they told me they all have cold hammer forged chrome lined barrels now..I'm the opposite where I had the 7.0 omega rail and traded my buddy for his 12.0 like the look better and plan on mounting my light further forward so more rail space us nice

UserM4
04-15-2010, 10:35 AM
I didn't think I needed the extended rail and the added weight but I did want some extra real estate so I bought an XV and a DD 9.5 FSP Lite Rail.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1369/95fsp.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/95fsp.jpg/)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7720/leftc.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/i/leftc.jpg/)http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/354/rightu.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/rightu.jpg/)

kozumasbullitt
04-15-2010, 10:43 AM
I didn't think I needed the extended rail and the added weight but I did want some extra real estate so I bought an XV and a DD 9.5 FSP Lite Rail.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1369/95fsp.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/95fsp.jpg/)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7720/leftc.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/i/leftc.jpg/)http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/354/rightu.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/rightu.jpg/)

what light mount are you using?

UserM4
04-15-2010, 10:45 AM
Uhh... I forgot. It was pretty cheap and made of plastic but relatively sturdy. :p I wanna say VTAC?

Jim_KT
04-15-2010, 10:58 AM
Looks like a VTAC light mount.

jayincali
04-15-2010, 3:28 PM
I love my DDM4 upper. I was lucky enough to get in on the big sale Bravo Co. had on them. The lower is a S&W MP15. Here are a few pics of the rifle as it sits now.

To the poster asking about the "fixed" 1.5 rear sight, It's fixed as in non folding sight, you can simply unscrew the sight from the rail.

The first target is 10 rounds at 60 yards, standing, off hand with iron sights. All rounds landed inside the 5" square. This was out of the box, only thing I did was turn the rear sight one click to the left, and the front sight up one click.

Second target is same except with 30 rounds punched in it.

Farva
04-23-2010, 12:52 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=944140

Great price currently on the 12 rail.