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sepiid
07-13-2009, 12:08 PM
I have always wondered about the Carpool lanes all over CA. i have only heard of one friend ever getting a ticket for "abusing" it.

So i was wondering, What are the LEO's Personal opinions of the carpool lane?
and your average enforcement of the lane?

Thanks,
Sepiid

StoneRoots
07-13-2009, 9:24 PM
I have seen quite a few people get tickets from doing so, and they are quite expensive if i remember correctly ($350-600 depending on county)...

SoCalDep
07-13-2009, 9:48 PM
I'm disgusted by the fact that you give an anecdotal story involving one individual officer and the first line of your post (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the thread) is as follows:

"I think a better question is why do the majority of law enforcement think that they are privy to driving dangerously?"

So your one experience means that the MAJORITY of law enforcement are the same. I see...Well, a civilian shot one of my partners last night. I guess that means that I can rant that the majority of civilians want to shoot me and my partners. Hey, it happens all the time. A civilian shot four officers in Oakland, a bunch in Pittsburg, and I can look up innumerable examples. That's why I think that no civilians should own guns...Too many civilians abuse the privilege.


(I know that LE are civilians and my post is the utmost of sarcasm...)

Eroland7
07-13-2009, 9:53 PM
I think a better question is why do the majority of law enforcement think that they are privy to driving dangerously?

-SR


:threadjacked:


To get back on the point... I think it is enforced pretty heavily, in the south bay ie: 85/280/101. ESPECIALLY by the CHP Motorcycle units. I know many friends of mine that have been poped. I have also heard funny stories from a CHP buddy of mine that people commuters would actually have manicans deressed up in the front seat of their car!

Grumpyoldretiredcop
07-13-2009, 9:58 PM
[deleted - Turby]


Back to the real thread... 10 minutes leeway, then a cite. Traffic court stories almost universally fell under these categories:

My clock was off
I didn't see any signs
I didn't realize it meant every weekday
I was just passing another car and nobody would let me back in
I was only there for a minute

Having been almost run over on more than one occasion by one of these idiots unobservant drivers, I didn't have a lot of patience or pity for them.

pdq_wizzard
07-13-2009, 10:05 PM
^^ yep looking for a fight ^^

Fire in the Hole
07-13-2009, 10:16 PM
Look im not here to cause argument....

[deleted - Turby]

You absolutely most certainly are. You have obviously misinterpreted the purpose of this sub-forum. It is not here for your own personal soapbox. It is not here for you to criticize LEO's. Although you use it for this purpose. Take you whiney rant to the Off Topic sub-forum. You will get the validation of your viewpoints there.

tyrist
07-13-2009, 10:16 PM
I don't....it's the CHPs job. Conducting traffic stops on the freeway is dangerous and has taken the lives of many CHP Officers.

alex00
07-13-2009, 10:48 PM
So i was wondering, What are the LEO's Personal opinions of the carpool lane?
and your average enforcement of the lane?

My personal opinion is that the carpool lane is a wasted lane during most of the posted hours. My professional opinion is that I leave the enforcement to CHP.

retired
07-13-2009, 11:30 PM
StoneRoots, I noticed you have 10 posts to your credit on this site. If you want to have 11, you will knock of this attack on leos. Nothing you wrote afterwards negates your first sentence.

Obviously you didn't bother to read the rules posted as a sticky by Kestryll at the top of this particular forum. I heartily suggest you do so or you will not be posting in this forum anymore.

Furthermore, do not bother to try and rationalize or explain that statement; that horse is already out of the barn.

556fmj
07-13-2009, 11:46 PM
The carpool lane is abused all the time during the designated hours but like others have posted I let the CHP enforce those. I do use the carpool lanes when on the freeway enroute to calls for service.

Digital_Boy
07-14-2009, 12:43 AM
I've had to pop into the diamond lanes down here a couple of times over the years to avoid idiots who changed lanes without looking to see if there was anyone there or not, and have been fortunate that I was able to get back out ASA there was a hole in traffic.

SoCalDep
07-14-2009, 8:29 AM
One of our deps got ticketed while off-duty by CHP for a carpool lane viol...and in case anyone is curious, the double yellow is "always" a double yellow, even when outside the carpool hours, so you can't cross it all willy-nilly like she did...took one for the team I guess because most of us didn't know. At least she had the answer in briefing...

locosway
07-15-2009, 12:24 AM
I have an uncle who got a ticket for driving in the carpool lane with a giant stuffed monkey!

Just recently I was towing in my truck going to Oregon. Somewhere in Northern CA during dusk/twilight I was passing a semi truck. Suddenly I see headlights in the median and they're coming towards my lane. I start to slow down and prepare for aggressive maneuvers if needed. Then I notice it's a CHP (No overheads or other warning lights turned on). He's turning around in the median quite quickly, so I slow down even more and he starts to merge next to me where there is no lane... Eventually I have to really slow down and let him over and he proceeds on his way. I sped up a bit to 70/75 to see about how fast he was going and he was pulling on me quite good.

A couple miles later he was on the side of the road blacked out waiting.

Now, I'm very comfortable driving and since I was alone I wasn't worried about a car hitting my 7k lbs. truck. However, I can see a lesser driver becoming scared and crashing because of this stunt.

I also have a friend who is a reserve with OCSD and does ride alongs with CHP and says they regularly drive 120-130 mph just to see if they can find people speeding ahead of them.

J_B
07-15-2009, 12:30 AM
My buddy who works for city and I county was telling me his Sgt was cruising along in the carpool lane when a car got behind, him started flashing his lights and honking at him. Thinking they needed help, the Sgt pulls over and the guy is irate and yelling at him for driving in the carpool lane.

The Sgt kindly explains to the irate driver that it's not even carpool lane hours and he needs to move on. From what I understand, the driver just tucked tail, apologized profusely and went away.

bden
07-15-2009, 1:13 AM
As a volunteer for a local PD I would occasionally have to take cars in for service which involved 15+ miles of freeway driving. One time it happened to be rush hour & I was alone. Figuring I'm no more entitled to or better than the next guy who's alone in his vehicle I drove back to the station in the bumper-to-bumper traffic in the #2 lane. You would not believe the number of cars that pulled in 1-2 cars behind me. Apparently a good solid 40% of the people using the carpool lane were flying solo. The best part was watching someone who had just dove in behind me try to block someone else from getting in. :laugh:

Acorn556
07-15-2009, 5:57 AM
I saw a CHP sitting on the onramp for the carpool lane on 85 the other day...good spot to sit I might add. I WAS kind of hoping he would catch someone.

I had an officer in Emmeryville let me off since I was in such shambles and made an honest mistake and just was confused with the whole situation at the time. Don't want to get into details but he was really nice and I thanked him very much.

sepiid
07-15-2009, 8:57 AM
Hey all,
Thanks for some good stories, the only reason i ask is i drive 133 miles each way to and from work. sac to mountain view and i have to say i think the carpool lane is a waisted lane during rushslowhour.

i think more lanes should be open during peak commute times.

as for CHP and PD enforcing the carpool law, i have yet to see anyone during my commute get pulled over for using the lane while driving solo. i have also seen CHP use the lane while solo.

HOWEVER the best time i have seen is when the CHP is using the lane while hauling a BG in.

Sepiid

Turbinator
07-15-2009, 4:06 PM
i think more lanes should be open during peak commute times.

As a carpooler who enjoys the use of the lanes, and as someone who has suffered in traffic with everyone else outside of the carpool lanes, I can say that I would prefer to see the lanes stay put. The difference in commute time *using* the lanes is significant compared to not using the lanes.

If we opened up all the lanes, I am absolutely convinced that traffic would still move along at a crawl. Why? Because I've driven through areas where the carpool lanes end, and all the lanes are open. You can drive along at a good pace in the carpool lane up to this point, after which *everyone* is suffering together in the same messy traffic.

So, I don't really see that opening up the diamond lane will do any good to the congestion out there.

Turby

goldduster
07-15-2009, 4:49 PM
I have a "dumb" question on this? I have a SUV,my wife and I sometimes go down 880 which has a 3 person car pool lane. When we do this we often have the dogs on board (good sized Dalmations) and the back seats are folded down. Does this qualify as a two seater for the car pool lane?

FLIGHT762
07-15-2009, 5:40 PM
No. Two seaters are 2 seat sports cars and pickup trucks with a single bench seat or two bucket seats. Trucks with extended cabs are considered multi seat vehicles. Your SUV is a multi seat vehicle, no matter how you have it configured. You will be cited.

eltee
07-15-2009, 5:58 PM
Dress the dogs up in hats and jackets? :)

retired
07-15-2009, 7:55 PM
locosway, none of the active or retired leos on this forum have any desire to read posts by you wherein you relate an incident or opinion bashing leos. If you had read the rules in the sticky, you would have known that. Take the time now to do so your posts can stay intact.

goldduster
07-15-2009, 9:14 PM
Thanks, I guess I knew the answer but still had to ask. They would look very distinquished in hats and jackets, but I think I would be taken away on what I think you call a 5150.

locosway
07-15-2009, 11:28 PM
locosway, none of the active or retired leos on this forum have any desire to read posts by you wherein you relate an incident or opinion bashing leos. If you had read the rules in the sticky, you would have known that. Take the time now to do so your posts can stay intact.

Unsafe driving was brought up, so I posted an experience I had recently while driving. Perhaps I speculated a little which would be my opinion of "why" the CHP officer did what he did. However, I don't think my post on the incident was a "bash" on any officer.

Here's where I'm coming from, and perhaps it might piss someone off but so be it.

I've worked closely with LEO's, watching their back and them watching mine. Arresting people together, getting into fights together, and so on. I appreciate their job, and I understand their job. By no means can I understand their day-in and day-out thinking because I'm not in their shoes. I will say though that I call it like I see it. It doesn't just go for LEO's, it goes for anyone. If someone is reckless, careless, or just stupid I'll let them know. Now, I'm an aggressive driver, and I considered the incident I posted to be dangerous even for someone who IS trained in performance driving. If experiences aren't to be shared, then so be it. I'll keep my posts completely dry and to the point without sharing anything personal or opinionated.

If I have offended anyone in any of my posts then I am sorry. It is not my intent to insult people, but sometimes I do that unintentionally.

locosway
07-15-2009, 11:38 PM
I remember what I said now in that post. Perhaps I was wrong for saying what I said, but I wasn't trying to bash anyone. The question I had asked was more rhetorical.

Anyway, sorry for upsetting anyone and I'll limit my late night posting a bit more... ;)

alex00
07-19-2009, 12:44 AM
IJust recently I was towing in my truck going to Oregon. Somewhere in Northern CA during dusk/twilight I was passing a semi truck. Suddenly I see headlights in the median and they're coming towards my lane. I start to slow down and prepare for aggressive maneuvers if needed. Then I notice it's a CHP (No overheads or other warning lights turned on). He's turning around in the median quite quickly, so I slow down even more and he starts to merge next to me where there is no lane... Eventually I have to really slow down and let him over and he proceeds on his way. I sped up a bit to 70/75 to see about how fast he was going and he was pulling on me quite good.

Perhaps he was trying to give you a friendly reminder without stopping you that the maximum speed for towing in California is 55. He might have also been telling you that left lane towing in California is illegal, unless there are only two lanes of travel in that direction.

locosway
07-19-2009, 7:44 AM
I was passing, so I was legal. and only after he cut over and was ahead of me a ways did I speed up to see how fast he was going and there was no way for him to get me on radar because of the road design. So neither of those was the issue.

Ron-Solo
07-19-2009, 1:28 PM
Unsafe driving was brought up, so I posted an experience I had recently while driving. Perhaps I speculated a little which would be my opinion of "why" the CHP officer did what he did. However, I don't think my post on the incident was a "bash" on any officer.

Here's where I'm coming from, and perhaps it might piss someone off but so be it.


Earlier post: Emergency vehicles do not have the right of way. When they have their lights on they're asking for the right of way, but that doesn't mean they're granted it.

Another post: Emergency vehicle is code 3, has an accident, who's at fault?

It's my understanding that 100% of the time it's the emergency vehicle since they were REQUESTING the right of way, but DO NOT HAVE IT by default.

Yes, we need to yield to them and give them the right of way when requested, but from what I understand they are not automatically given the right of way.

Another one: So, if the LEO has you stop on train tracks because they ordered you to you should comply? I'd like to think the general public has a little more control over their own safety and life.





Loco,

While you are entitled to your opinion, and I work every day to protect that right, THIS PARTICULAR FORUM is intended for LEO's to discuss things and for non-LEOs to ask questions, not throw their opinion into things.

Your "so be it" statement shows a disregard for these rules. And yes, your earlier posts fall into the area of cop bashing in my opinion. Your posts are bordering on the absurd and annoying. Please think carefully about what you write before hitting the send button.

Fire in the Hole
07-19-2009, 2:25 PM
locosway wrote: "Emergency vehicle is code 3, has an accident, who's at fault?

It's my understanding that 100% of the time it's the emergency vehicle since they were REQUESTING the right of way, but DO NOT HAVE IT by default.

Yes, we need to yield to them and give them the right of way when requested, but from what I understand they are not automatically given the right of way."





locosway, there seems to be a big gap left in your knowledge of the vehicle code. Whoever your driving instructor was, did you a dis-service by not pounding the following law home:

Authorized Emergency Vehicles
21806. Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle which is sounding a siren and which has at least one lighted lamp exhibiting red light that is visible, under normal atmospheric conditions, from a distance of 1,000 feet to the front of the vehicle, the surrounding traffic shall, except as otherwise directed by a traffic officer, do the following:
(a) (1) The driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to the right-hand edge or curb of the highway, clear of any intersection, and thereupon shall stop and remain stopped until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

(2) A person driving a vehicle in an exclusive or preferential use lane shall exit that lane immediately upon determining that the exit can be accomplished with reasonable safety.

(b) The operator of every street car shall immediately stop the street car, clear of any intersection, and remain stopped until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

(c) All pedestrians upon the highway shall proceed to the nearest curb or place of safety and remain there until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

Amended Sec. 68, Ch. 1154, Stats. 1996. Effective September 30, 1996.


Notice that nowhere in this section of law is the word "request" used. You absolutely must yield the right-of-way to code-3 emergency vehicles, all the time, every time. Not when it's convienient for you, when your in the mood, or you feel like honoring their "request."

Fire in the Hole
07-19-2009, 2:41 PM
I was passing, so I was legal. and only after he cut over and was ahead of me a ways did I speed up to see how fast he was going and there was no way for him to get me on radar because of the road design. So neither of those was the issue.

"was ahead of me a ways did I speed up to see how fast he was going"

For what purpose?

Here's another law that you might not be familiar with:
Following Emergency Vehicles
21706. No motor vehicle, except an authorized emergency vehicle, shall follow within 300 feet of any authorized emergency vehicle being operated under the provisions of Section 21055.
This section shall not apply to a police or traffic officer when serving as an escort within the purview of Section 21057.

Amended Ch. 46, Stats. 1972. Effective March 7, 1973

locosway
07-19-2009, 3:05 PM
When responding to a fire engine collision with a car one of my fire buddies told me about the right of way for emergency vehicles. Me personally, I always yield as soon as possible because I want them to get where they're going.

As for the incident with the CHP, let's just drop it because it's obviously not going anywhere. I know not to follow emergency vehicles and all that jazz, so we'll just leave it at that.

Fire in the Hole
07-19-2009, 3:07 PM
I'm just concerned that somewhere during your driving education you got the impression that yielding the right-of-way to an emergency vehicle was a "request" as opposed to a "demand" of said right-of-way useage.

locosway
07-19-2009, 3:29 PM
I never said that during my driver education that I was taught to not yield, or otherwise give the right of way to an emergency vehicle. I never said that I do not give them the right of way either. It was simply something I had heard when going to a call from someone who knew what they were doing (or perhaps didn't apparently).

alex00
07-19-2009, 3:54 PM
I never said that during my driver education that I was taught to not yield, or otherwise give the right of way to an emergency vehicle. I never said that I do not give them the right of way either. It was simply something I had heard when going to a call from someone who knew what they were doing (or perhaps didn't apparently).

I think the confusion is that while the motorist shall yield the right of way, that does not prevent the driver of the emergency vehicle from having to drive with due regard for public safety. Just because I have lights and sirens on, does not mean I can blow a red light at full speed without first clearing the intersection and establishing I have gained the right of way.

That is probably what the firefighter meant.

locosway
07-19-2009, 3:57 PM
I think the confusion is that while the motorist shall yield the right of way, that does not prevent the driver of the emergency vehicle from having to drive with due regard for public safety. Just because I have lights and sirens on, does not mean I can blow a red light at full speed without first clearing the intersection and establishing I have gained the right of way.

That is probably what the firefighter meant.

Quite possibly because it actually was a red light run for the engine who TC'd into a car.