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whatever
04-22-2005, 8:56 AM
http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=3244911

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RICHMOND (BCN) -- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is checking the ballistics of an assault weapon that may have been used in recent shootings and homicides in Richmond, the Richmond Police Department reported today.

The Police Department's violence suppression unit located the assault weapon around 12:30 a.m. on Wednesday, after a 14-year-old boy jumped from a car under police surveillance in the 400 block of South 26th Street and tossed the gun under another vehicle, Sgt. Mark Gagan said.

The boy fled from officers, but turned himself in to police around 5 p.m.

Because the weapon was reported stolen, the boy is under arrest for possession of an assault weapon and possession of stolen property, said Gagan. He added that just because the weapon was in the boy's possession does not mean he pulled the trigger.

"Once we have that the weapon is in fact the same gun used in the shootings and homicides, we'll be able to request further charges from the district attorney," said Gagan.

The arrest and weapon seizure are a result of the work of the Police Department's new violence suppression unit, formed two and one-half months ago, said Gagan.

"In the short time that they have been in existence they have made close to 300 arrests and disrupted several areas known for gang activity," said Gagan. "The creation of the unit demonstrates the police chief's commitment to addressing street-level violence."

Gagan also noted that the Police Department recently developed a partnership with the ATF, and that today marked the first day an ATF agent worked in the office with police.

(Copyright 2005, Bay City News. All rights reserved.)

whatever
04-22-2005, 8:56 AM
http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=3244911

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http://kron.static.worldnow.com/images/3244911_BG1.jpg
RICHMOND (BCN) -- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is checking the ballistics of an assault weapon that may have been used in recent shootings and homicides in Richmond, the Richmond Police Department reported today.

The Police Department's violence suppression unit located the assault weapon around 12:30 a.m. on Wednesday, after a 14-year-old boy jumped from a car under police surveillance in the 400 block of South 26th Street and tossed the gun under another vehicle, Sgt. Mark Gagan said.

The boy fled from officers, but turned himself in to police around 5 p.m.

Because the weapon was reported stolen, the boy is under arrest for possession of an assault weapon and possession of stolen property, said Gagan. He added that just because the weapon was in the boy's possession does not mean he pulled the trigger.

"Once we have that the weapon is in fact the same gun used in the shootings and homicides, we'll be able to request further charges from the district attorney," said Gagan.

The arrest and weapon seizure are a result of the work of the Police Department's new violence suppression unit, formed two and one-half months ago, said Gagan.

"In the short time that they have been in existence they have made close to 300 arrests and disrupted several areas known for gang activity," said Gagan. "The creation of the unit demonstrates the police chief's commitment to addressing street-level violence."

Gagan also noted that the Police Department recently developed a partnership with the ATF, and that today marked the first day an ATF agent worked in the office with police.

(Copyright 2005, Bay City News. All rights reserved.)

icormba
04-22-2005, 9:22 AM
hmmmm, that POST BAN semi-auto AKM variant looks nothing like any of my SKS's http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

have to admit, they aired the story late last night also and didn't make mention of SKS... just "Assault weapon". which isn't much better... but, yeah you know.

I bet the cop probably thought it was an SKS too! or an M16 http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Blue
04-22-2005, 9:29 AM
Geez, the media is so stupid. I bet that they're trying to get the general public to believe it's an SKS so they can ban those too. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

6172crew
04-22-2005, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blue84s10:
Geez, the media is so stupid. I bet that they're trying to get the general public to believe it's an SKS so they can ban those too. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They already did once.

Turbinator
04-22-2005, 5:34 PM
Looks like nice wood, though!

Turby

stillbigmac
04-23-2005, 8:45 AM
These guys are killing me! They had the recovery of one, ONE! stolen semiauto rifle and trupet it like world piece is just over the horizon.

Flat disgusting.

Blue
04-23-2005, 1:00 PM
Boy am I pissed about this one, I emailed them and this is what they said

""Thank you for Asking The Nine. I just talked to the Richmond PD and
ATF. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS. We're doing a
follow-up on that story tonight at nine. We check our facts. Please
check yours before criticizing our coverage.

Regards,

Chris Archer
Executive Producer
KRON 4 News at 9pm"

We need to email these idiots and tell them to use Google every once and a while.

Here's what I got goin on at AR15.com...
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=345404

Turbinator
04-23-2005, 7:43 PM
Dang! Do you have an e-mail address for Mr Archer? I want to tell him how lame he is for believing the cops and ATF!

Turby

LongBch_SigP226
04-23-2005, 7:55 PM
I'm gonna get beating from SKS owners but who cares? Let them ban the SKS and keep the AK legal. Hehehe, I'm only kidding.

icormba
04-23-2005, 8:13 PM
I just sent my reply to KRON...

"Hi KRON,
As a Federally license Firearms collector and a collector of SKS rifles, I have to say with 100% certainty that the rifle you showed is in fact a AKM variant of the famous Russian AK-47 and NOT a SKS. In addition, it is a AKM with the butt stock removed. The SKS cannot be fired with the butt stock removed, also the SKS does NOT accept a 30 round magazine like the magazine in your news footage.

here are 2 pictures of SKS rifles:
http://m1garand.net/M1Pics/Chris/SKS/2SKS.jpg

here are pictures of a AK47 / AKM:
direct from the Russian AK 47 site, in Russia!
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/images/0501.jpg

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/icons/guns/kalashnikov/ak47.jpg

For more information on the Russian AK47 / AKM : look through the Russian website located here:
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/

The only similar thing about these 2 rifles is that Russia invented both of them to use the same rifle cartridge 7.62 (or .30 caliber in US measurements) the .30 caliber cartridge has been used in different forms for Hunting in the U.S. for the past 100 years."

I didn't mention my opinion to them about why the RPD & ATF said it was a SKS, but it's probably because the AK has been banned since 2000... how did a kid get a banned rifle & if they have been banned then how did it end up on the streets? easy... it's an SKS & you can buy those at your local dealer. Less questions the RPD & ATF have to answer.

Ford8N
04-24-2005, 6:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">""Thank you for Asking The Nine. I just talked to the Richmond PD and
ATF. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS. We're doing a
follow-up on that story tonight at nine. We check our facts. Please
check yours before criticizing our coverage.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't get to pissed at the ignorant reporter. He knows nothing about firearms and only what he is told by the "experts". But it is disturbing that the Richmond POLICE and the BATFE CONFIRMED that the picture is an SKS!

The same thing happened in Orwells book "Animal Farm". http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

snwnme@realguns.com
04-24-2005, 7:41 AM
I like that "Violence Suppression Unit" part. Created for sure to give the citizenry who don't pay attention the illusion that the city is doing something. I mean, isn't the suppression of violence one of the reasons why Peel formed cops?

gunbbig
04-25-2005, 2:47 PM
Below is my polite e-mail to KRON on the subject.


Dear KRON4,

By now you must have realized your reporting mistake in this story. The rifle pictured is NOT an "SKS" rifle. And a SKS rifle is NOT an Assault Weapon. Even by California's erroneous definition.

The rifle in your news cast and on the web site is a variation of the AK47 known as an AKM.

Would you please have the Professionalism to correct your error on the Air and on your web site? Unfortunately there are far too many uninformed viewers who will develop a negative impression of the SKS rifle due to your inaccurate reporting.

It is hard enough to be a gun collector in this state without disinformation being spread by our media. Please do the right thing and publicly correct your error.

Respectfully,

04-25-2005, 3:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gunbbig:
By now you must have realized your reporting mistake in this story. The rifle pictured is NOT an "SKS" rifle. <span class="ev_code_RED">And a SKS rifle is NOT an Assault Weapon. Even by California's erroneous definition.</span>
(snip) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, that's not entirely true either.

I know what you meant, you know what you meant, but PC 12275-12281 (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm) mentions "SKS" specifically numerous times and the media will not likely take the time to differentiate between the many types of SKS rifles that exist - some still legal in CA, others not.

04-25-2005, 3:15 PM
I emailed KRON 4 very politely pointing out the mistake and got the same reply as Blue84s10. I sent Mr Archer pics of SKS and AK rifles as well. Have not heard back. I also called Richmond PD asking to confirm whether or not they have identified the weapon as an SKS (which of course they have not because it is not an SKS). I left messages for the PIO and the investigating sergeant, who have not returned my call. Like that's a shock.

I know Ding's comment was lighthearted, but the point for me is about correcting misinformation. The general public (read: knows nothing about guns) will easily swallow any bu11 $h1t the media gives them. It's clear that Mr. Archer has an anti-gun bias and that must be confronted comming from a professional journalist because they control the airwaves. True, almost all journalist have an anti-gun bias, but IMHO that doesn't mean we should just give up.

04-25-2005, 3:26 PM
I thought about this whole story and what I find truly sad in all of this, is the unwillingness of the media to question their reporting of so-called "facts" when they are challenged by their viewers/readers that are well-versed in the subject matter.

When I was around thirteen years old, I wrote a letter to our local newsrag detailing a few "technical" errors that I spotted in an article {yes, I was a pain in the arse back then too} http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .
To my surprise, I received two letters in response - one from the editor and one from the reporter who wrote the piece. Both were very thankful for pointing out the mistakes and even asked if they could contact me by phone to discuss any further details if they chose to follow up the story (it wasn't gun-related). I never indicated my age in the letters, so I don't think that the responses were simply meant to patronize the "little kid" in an "oh, gee that's cute" sort of way. They were letters written in earnest by real journalists that were in pursuit of the truth, not an agenda.
However, that was over two decades ago,and apparently those types are a dying breed amongst the current batch of media whores we suffer through now.

Oh well...

gunbbig
04-25-2005, 3:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Basura Blanca:

Unfortunately, that's not entirely true either.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Mr. BB ((WT) I gave a partial truth not the whole truth. I was aware of that when I composed my e-mail. You caught me. However my partial truth on the matter is certainly better than the KRON4 non-truth.

gunbbig
04-25-2005, 5:04 PM
Archer is now trying to play dumb. As in blame it on the Richmond PD and/or ATF. But at least he is responding. My opinion is he knows full well the error of the report. But because of his own political agenda, refuses to make things right. See thread below, top is most recent.


I’ve independently confirmed the gun with 2 reliable sources, the Richmond PD, and ATF. So has my reporter.

The mistake, at this point, is on the Richmond PD and ATF. We can only check with them so many times before they get annoyed at us.

If you have further problems with this, please contact either of those agencies, and have them get in touch with us.



Regards,
Chris




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: xxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:xxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:11 PM
To: Chris Archer
Subject: Re: FW: Boy, 14, Caught With Stolen Assault Rifle



Mr. Archer,

Thank you for your quick response.

You are most certainly wrong when you say that the gun in the picture and in your report is an SKS! It doesn't matter what the Richmond PD has told you. The rifle in the picture is NOT an SKS, period. I can say this with 100% certainty.

Everyone on the gun forums are making you a laughing stock because of your refusal to admit your error. You have no idea how much "Bad Press" you and KRON4 is getting because of your obstinacy.

When you finally realize how wrong you are, take a look at the guy in the mirror.

Regards,
D xxxxxxx







In a message dated 4/25/2005 4:43:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, archer@kron.com writes:

Actually, I’m wrong; we’re not doing a follow-up story tonight at 9pm.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Chris Archer
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:28 PM
To: 4listens; 'xxxxxxx.com'
Subject: RE: Boy, 14, Caught With Stolen Assault Rifle


D. xxxxxx,

Thank you for Asking The Nine. I just talked to the Richmond PD and ATF. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS, and it is indeed illegal in the State of California. We're doing a follow-up on that story tonight at nine.

Regards,
Chris Archer
Executive Producer
KRON 4 News at 9pm


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: xxxxxx.com [mailto:xxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:27 PM
To: 4listens
Subject: Boy, 14, Caught With Stolen Assault Rifle



Dear KRON4,

By now you must have realized your reporting mistake in this story. The rifle pictured is NOT an "SKS" rifle. And a SKS rifle is NOT an Assault Weapon. Even by California's erroneous definition.

The rifle in your news cast and on the web site is a variation of the AK47 known as an AKM.

Would you please have the Professionalism to correct your error on the Air and on your web site? Unfortunately there are far too many uninformed viewers who will develop a negative impression of the SKS rifle due to your inaccurate reporting.

It is hard enough to be a gun collector in this state without disinformation being spread by our media. Please do the right thing and publicly correct your error.

Respectfully,

D xxxxxxxx

icormba
04-26-2005, 2:11 PM
Mon, 25 Apr 2005

"Chris,

Thank you for Asking The Nine. I talked to the Richmond PD and ATF
again. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS.

Regards,

Chris Archer
Executive Producer
KRON 4 News at 9pm"

Spotted Owl
04-27-2005, 7:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thank you for Asking The Nine. I talked to the Richmond PD and ATF
again. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since when did the need to present factual information ever stop the media from running a story?

schizrade
04-27-2005, 8:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
Mon, 25 Apr 2005

"Chris,

Thank you for Asking The Nine. I talked to the Richmond PD and ATF
again. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS.

Regards,

Chris Archer
Executive Producer
KRON 4 News at 9pm" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Un-****in believable. What the hell is wrong with people? The ATF does not even know what an SKS is?

stillbigmac
04-29-2005, 7:05 AM
Just because the producer says he checked with the ATF, doesn't mean he really did. He may have never spoken to them, or maybe the picture you see of the recivered rife isn't the one just recovered. We are all assuming that the rifle show is the rifle recovered.

When the guys that burgled my store got caught and guns were recovered, the guns that were shown on TV were not my guns. They showed SBR's and what looked like sub guns...

bwiese
04-29-2005, 8:38 AM
The people @ ATF with whom the producer spoke could also be just plain wrong.

These guys are spokesmen, press relations people, etc. and are not known for technical backgrounds. They're mostly there to serve as a buffer when things get busy or they want to hide staff behind a mouthpiece.

Never be surprised at the way stupidity can compound itself....

Bill Wiese
San Jose

icormba
04-29-2005, 12:14 PM
I just like to think it's all about my conspiracy theories http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

How can the ATF (or Ca LEO) say that it is an AK, the AK was banned and therefore California has taken pride in the fact that AK's are no longer on the streets of California. So how do you explain this rifle? It must be an SKS.

whatever
04-29-2005, 2:41 PM
The Chronicle got it right:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/22/BAG1NCD6071.DTL

"The gun, a Hungarian FEG assault rifle that had been reported stolen in Berkeley, was given to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to determine whether it was used in the recent shootings.

The semiautomatic weapon fires the same 7.62 mm round as the AK-47 assault rifle."

icormba
04-29-2005, 6:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by whatever:
The Chronicle got it right:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/22/BAG1NCD6071.DTL

"The gun, a Hungarian FEG assault rifle that had been reported stolen in Berkeley, was given to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to determine whether it was used in the recent shootings.

The semiautomatic weapon fires the same 7.62 mm round as the AK-47 assault rifle." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah yes... Hungarian FEG SA-85, I used to have one of those.

Turbinator
04-29-2005, 6:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
ah yes... Hungarian FEG SA-85, I used to have one of those. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Until you reported it stolen in Berkeley? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Turby

icormba
04-29-2005, 7:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Turbinator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
ah yes... Hungarian FEG SA-85, I used to have one of those. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Until you reported it stolen in Berkeley? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Turby </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.calguns.net/laughroll.gif http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RobsterCraw
05-09-2005, 7:13 PM
They red flag any weapon that shows up a lot in crimes. Its just because its cheap, not becuase its an "assault weapon". If thats an assault weapon then so is the M1, and the ...etc.

05-16-2005, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Schizrade:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
Mon, 25 Apr 2005

"Chris,

Thank you for Asking The Nine. I talked to the Richmond PD and ATF
again. They confirm the gun we showed was an SKS.

Regards,

Chris Archer
Executive Producer
KRON 4 News at 9pm" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Un-****in believable. What the hell is wrong with people? The ATF does not even know what an SKS is? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually spoke with the PIO for the Richmond PD. The weapon was incorrectly identified in the field as an SKS by the arresting officer. I emailed this piece of info to this jerk-off at KRON 4 and got a similar smug-*** response.