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GoingPro
07-11-2009, 7:03 PM
i was just wondering what everyone would depend their life on if a SHTF scenario were to happen. Most of us here on calguns.net have plenty of toys to choose from.

Two Shots
07-11-2009, 7:05 PM
1911 in 45acp

Maltese Falcon
07-11-2009, 7:08 PM
In the house, Winchester 1300 12G.
Outside, Glock 21 45 ACP

rg_1111@yahoo.com
07-11-2009, 7:12 PM
AR-15 dependable and accurate.

Trapper
07-11-2009, 7:16 PM
Benelli M1
Sig 229
M1A Scout Squad
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/Trapper_308/IMG_0859.jpg

hamster
07-11-2009, 7:18 PM
of those choices the AR15

but my three SHTF guns are the Sig P229, Remington 700, and the AR15

OCMI_Teddy
07-11-2009, 7:23 PM
There's too many scenarios possible to decide on just one firearm to use. I could choose three and those three would be:

-Glock 19
-Remington 870
-AR-15

All the bases covered my friend.

hawk84
07-11-2009, 7:40 PM
What I have access to that I trust

AR-15
Mossberg 500
M&P 40
1903A3

the AK I haven't shot yet, so i don't know if i trust it yet
the 10/22 and 22a i trust, but its the last thing i would pick up

and the mossberg 250c (22 lr) I don't trust to shoot more then once without jamming

SuperSet
07-11-2009, 7:46 PM
Something in .223 and .40 since LE and MIL use the same so you know it'll be around in the likely (<.00000000001%) chance that you'll need it.

harmoniums
07-11-2009, 7:58 PM
sks... it just runs and runs and runs
fn49 in 8mm also

otteray
07-11-2009, 8:00 PM
SKS, M1 Garand or M1 Carbine.
Cause I have lots 'o ammo for those.

If it is a Man Made Global Warming SHTF that makes giant, mean bears migrate south; or else, hatches hugh, pterodactyl like man-hating condors from the thawing perma-frost; my ported barrel Marlin Guide Gun .45-70 will be slung on my shoulder.

WeekendWarrior
07-11-2009, 8:04 PM
Melee: Samurai sword (a real cutting sword, not pawn shop crap)
Pistol: MK23
Close Range/SMG: Remington 870
Rifle: AR-10 (if ammo was available, if not then AR-15)
Heavy weapons: Flamethrower

SCMA-1
07-11-2009, 8:05 PM
outside: FAL, 7.62 NATO
inside: M4, 5.56
sidearm: G22, 40SW

Snarky
07-11-2009, 8:12 PM
I am in a very defensible location on high ground and so I'm not planning on bugging out.

My main defensive weapon is an M1A. I would carry my 870 inside the compound and would rely on my .357 revolver (using .38 +P) at very close ranges.

If I was run off my property (say, by an armed group) I would try to take my22 bolt action scoped hunting rifle, my S&W Model 41 pistol and few hundred of rounds of .22lr. I would have to hike about 6-7 miles to enter the San Gabriel mountains. I'm pretty leary of that idea because there are 6 million people on the other side of those mountains. I'll bet quite a few make it up there all chasing the same rabbits and quail.

So, my main plan is staying put with the M1A. :)

sonicbuff
07-11-2009, 8:12 PM
What kind of SHTF ?

Whatever it is, the Saiga 12 is my first choice for home defense.

If it's a prolonged zombie invasion: A converted Saiga which can use USGI mags, a Glock 20 strapped to my leg, and a 6.5 Grendel on my back.

bohoki
07-11-2009, 8:30 PM
any one gun can fail but so far my slr-95 is the only thing that hasn't given me one problem and that is quite suprising given i mainly feed it wolf/barnaul/norinco

Q
07-11-2009, 8:32 PM
Glock 26.

ChrisDM
07-11-2009, 8:39 PM
My custom Glock 21SF in 10mm. It seems in a shtf situation firearms would be used in defensive situations at very close ranges. I might even dual wield my 44 mag revolver for those more pesky bastards...

http://imagineimagery.zenfolio.com/img/v8/p562206127.jpg

L8Apex619
07-11-2009, 8:45 PM
Melee: Samurai sword
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Heavy weapons: Flamethrower





Okay Dwight... :whistling:

SJgunguy24
07-11-2009, 8:53 PM
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This:gunsmilie:

And an AK for getting out there.

Jason762
07-11-2009, 8:53 PM
Yugo M92 "krinkov" with a sidefolder (triangle or AK100) stock and an Aimpoint T-1 Micro red dot sight. Good to go for most situations.

L8Apex619
07-11-2009, 8:54 PM
There's too many scenarios possible to decide on just one firearm to use.


Truth. The poll needs an "all of the above" option. ;)

L8Apex619
07-11-2009, 8:58 PM
In a SHTF situation, which firearm would you trust your life to?


The one I happen to have with me. :chris:

thetaxman
07-11-2009, 8:59 PM
Suppresed MP5 and a Glock 17 back up.

MotoDuc
07-11-2009, 9:15 PM
AR-15 and my Glock 23 on the hip.

tomd1584
07-11-2009, 9:34 PM
In a SHTF situation, which firearm would you trust your life to?


The one I happen to have with me. :chris:

or the one i happen to be closest to!

cmace22
07-11-2009, 9:41 PM
Glock 21sf/Kimber 1911
AR-15
Rem 870

aplinker
07-11-2009, 9:43 PM
minimi

elSquid
07-11-2009, 9:46 PM
Bolter and chainsword.

-- Michael

yock
07-11-2009, 10:08 PM
inside (at home)- XD9 :2guns:
outside- AR15 with XD on the side :44:
heavy weapon- m1a1 but kind of hard to get ammo. :tank:
or if zombies- chainsaw & axe :6: :7:

L8Apex619
07-11-2009, 10:10 PM
minimi

Or how about a Mini Me?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/mini_me.gif




Or how about a Mini me with a minimi?

http://bloggando.fabioangius.net/img/film/mini_me_gun.jpg



Okay... so it's not a minimi, but imagine if you will the hell and devastation one might wreak armed with a Mini Me with a minimi...

yock
07-11-2009, 10:16 PM
Or how about a Mini Me?





Or how about a Mini me with a minimi?




Okay... so it's not a minimi, but imagine if you will the hell and devastation one might wreak armed with a Mini Me with a minimi...

or sharks with freakin' laser beams on their head!!!:57:

skkeeter
07-11-2009, 10:20 PM
M1A

aplinker
07-11-2009, 10:23 PM
or sharks with freakin' laser beams on their head!!!:57:

He said SHTF, not waterworld, but I do want a freakin shark with a freakin laser.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/64625696/Laser_Shark_by_McGibs.jpg

L8Apex619
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
I am so getting one of those... will I need a Class III tax stamp?

johnthomas
07-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Sks, 1911 45, 22 winchester model 69 for small game. 870, 12 gauge.

popeye4
07-11-2009, 11:25 PM
Ruger Super Blackhawk in .45 Long Colt, with both shot and ball cartridges. That way, I can get food AND shoot zombies........

But honestly, these SHTF threads are rather amusing in that many seem to fantasize that the appropriate response to any disaster is to pick up some high tech firearm(s) and head for the hills. I live in the hills and flatlanders with rifles won't really be welcome..... :chris:

Better think more in terms of where will you get your water and food, and how, exactly, will you get to the hills? I've tried to get through the Bay Area on a Friday afternoon and it isn't pretty. I can just imagine what the freeways would look like if everyone was really trying to beat feet. If you really think about several plausible disaster scenarios, you might realize that the planning should go into how to hold fast and join with/help out your neighbors (perhaps you should introduce yourself now). Picking up a firearm will probably be pretty far down the list (unless you live in a really nasty neighborhood).

Gp100
07-11-2009, 11:25 PM
OK ........If the SHTF is, Dictatorship in the USA.


1.) Primary..........9mm/.40/.45/.380 pistol, my all day gun, something I have on me for the store or yard work from sun up to sun down.(#1 must have)

2.)AR-15 for a defense posture or long shots,(with a EOTECH sight)why? because only hits count. Up in a tree or on a hill at night waiting for the enemy the AR-15 is king.(best for people in the open)

2.)AK-47 for a attack posture, why? because ak47 is what you want when you attack a house or a car/van/truck,why because only hits count, I am not sure a AR-15 can shoot through a house or 1 sandbag. I want to hit people behind a tree or car.(best for cars or buildings)

3.) shotgun If you can get real close.(sneak real close)

4.) Mosin nagant, we cant all buy the $2000 M1A, but a bolt action rifle can engage the enemy way out of there range.


A simple mosin nagant can take out people with a high tech AR/Ak as long as you keep out of range of those guns. shotgun wins really close.

There are no winners here only tools pick the best tool for your area.

popeye4
07-11-2009, 11:34 PM
OK ........If the SHTF is, Dictatorship in the USA.



In that case, I'd probably take either an AR15 or an M14. But after the first firefight, I'd either be dead or as well equipped as my enemy (that's where I'll get my night vision equipment...) :eek:

KAVEMAN762
07-11-2009, 11:38 PM
The firearm(s) that your most familiar with, and the firearm(s) that are easy to service. Cartridge availability and parts availablity should be taken into consideration. That would probably benefit you mostly. A firearm having history proving itself is a plus also.
I picked the AR15, 3.5-6x optic with buis, and a sling. But there are many other rifles that are just as good or better(too much to name). A good compliment to the AR would be the 1911a1 sidearm.:)

Bowser
07-11-2009, 11:38 PM
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This:gunsmilie:

And an AK for getting out there.

That one is good for shooting the ground!

johnthomas
07-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Ruger Super Blackhawk in .45 Long Colt, with both shot and ball cartridges. That way, I can get food AND shoot zombies........

But honestly, these SHTF threads are rather amusing in that many seem to fantasize that the appropriate response to any disaster is to pick up some high tech firearm(s) and head for the hills. I live in the hills and flatlanders with rifles won't really be welcome..... :chris:

Better think more in terms of where will you get your water and food, and how, exactly, will you get to the hills? I've tried to get through the Bay Area on a Friday afternoon and it isn't pretty. I can just imagine what the freeways would look like if everyone was really trying to beat feet. If you really think about several plausible disaster scenarios, you might realize that the planning should go into how to hold fast and join with/help out your neighbors (perhaps you should introduce yourself now). Picking up a firearm will probably be pretty far down the list (unless you live in a really nasty neighborhood).

Is this an open invitation for calgunner's to your place in the hills? lol
You bring up a great point. Where will we go, is our plan just to pack up and go? Where? My family and I have a plan, where to meet, what to bring, where to go and what the plans are once we get there. It is a loose plan subject to change depending on the curcumstances.

a1fabweld
07-12-2009, 1:25 AM
If only ONE firearm, HK91.

Frijolito1988
07-12-2009, 1:43 AM
One of my AK's and my dog .

joelukehart
07-12-2009, 1:59 AM
My AK, because it always goes bang when I pull the trigger along with my Glock 19. Not my AR because I can always expect it to jam at some point.

aplinker
07-12-2009, 2:33 AM
My AK, because it always goes bang when I pull the trigger along with my Glock 19. Not my AR because I can always expect it to jam at some point.

you should get that fixed. ARs don't jam when they're built right.

Group B
07-12-2009, 3:09 AM
Benelli M4
LMT MRP Piston AR10
Glock 20
Walther P99 .40 (original version)

J_Rock
07-12-2009, 3:15 AM
you should get that fixed. ARs don't jam when they're built right.

Forget ignorant statements like these. All it shows it is that he knows nothing about firearms.

If he wants to believe the old myth that AKs never jam thats his business, the rest of us know better.

aplinker
07-12-2009, 3:31 AM
Benelli M4
LMT MRP Piston AR10
Glock 20
Walther P99 .40 (original version)

Why didn't you pick a Glock 7 to go with that LMT AR10 Piston?

popeye4
07-12-2009, 3:43 AM
Is this an open invitation for calgunner's to your place in the hills? lol
You bring up a great point. Where will we go, is our plan just to pack up and go? Where? My family and I have a plan, where to meet, what to bring, where to go and what the plans are once we get there. It is a loose plan subject to change depending on the curcumstances.

You're probably a lot farther ahead than most. Considering that SHTF here most likely would be either earthquake or flood/mudlsides, I'll stay put, I've got water and food here along with good neighbors. Perhaps because we aren't packed so close together (but we do know each other), we tend to pull together rather than pull apart when adversity strikes.

Of course, if the counter-revolutionary flag ever does go up, I'm in enemy-held territory and would have to depart.....

TurboS600
07-12-2009, 6:10 AM
If you had to pick just one, the AR15 is the best thing all around. Dependable, versatile, powerful, common. If I just needed to defend my position/house, prolly would want the Mossberg. But if you had to be in various situations/locations, you would need something that has a kill radius of more than a few yards.

Vacaville
07-12-2009, 6:46 AM
SKS and Ruger Blackhawk.

Flying Bones
07-12-2009, 9:12 AM
I have to say my 870. No wait, I choose the AR....well, maybe the 870, NO NO NO the AR. Yes definately the...um *Bang!* I'm dead. Couldn't make up my mind.

JohnnyRooks
07-12-2009, 9:13 AM
ar15 .22lr and glock fotey..:43:

sholling
07-12-2009, 9:26 AM
No bullet button required to stay legal, as reliable as an AR15 and maybe more so, and in Scout form very handy. Unless the situation becomes hairy enough to justify committing a felony by removing the bullet button or until the law changes I'll stick with my M1A and M&P45 or one of my 1911s. Once we restore the US constitution in California I'll be torn between my M1A and my Bravo Company based mid-length AR15 and it will depend on the situation.

dieselcarpenter
07-12-2009, 10:11 AM
I am suprised the AK's are laggin inthe poll, then again we are in the US and the Black Rifle for all of its shortcomings seems to reign supreme, on peoples minds that is.

For me its AK all the way. I just got my Siaga 16" in .223. This gives me the unstoppable reliability of an AK with the ammo choice for American streets.

I trust my life to the guns at hand and the guns I know will work everytime. The AK may not plick nats off a cows rump at 300yds but my AK will put that cow in the dust at the distance. Effective rounds down range relibaly are much more desirable than pin point in my book, a dead zomibe is a dead zombie.

It seems to me that any gun the shytes were it eats, has miniscul parts that if broken or lost will render it useless, costs out the wazoo, etc..... Just isnt the gun for the apocalypse.

In My Opinnion ,The only way they have made as good a run as they have is because of the insane aftermarket and in the military the massive repair logistics of the Federal Govt backing them.

Not to bash AR's they are good guns if you keep them clean, oiled, and a bag of spare parts around they last along time.

But I know if loose my oil bottle and cleaning rod my Siaga (AK) will keep on trucking even if I have to get some oil out of a car or truck and smear it on the inner workings, she will still keep going.

Same with My Glock 22 ( .40 S&W)

Bug out/ SHTF list: Saiga 223, G-22, Moss 590, RUGER M77 30-06(to replaced by an Acy Int .338 Lapua),

This list implies I have a vehicle, if I were stuck on foot, the Saiga and glock.

The AK is toatally effective UNDER 300 yards wich is the common engagement range for for urban and most small arms battles in general, 223 is a great hunting round for food gathering, big enough for deer and small enough for rabbits.

thats my mind set on SHTF!!

PatriotnMore
07-12-2009, 10:13 AM
The AK is a fine weapon, and trustworthy. I just think more people like and own AR's here.

Brown Rock
07-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Or how about a Mini Me?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/mini_me.gif




Or how about a Mini me with a minimi?

http://bloggando.fabioangius.net/img/film/mini_me_gun.jpg



Okay... so it's not a minimi, but imagine if you will the hell and devastation one might wreak armed with a Mini Me with a minimi...

Is Mini Me sporting a Sigma in that picture? Nice.:thumbsup:

doc1buc
07-12-2009, 10:43 AM
Something in .223 and .40 since LE and MIL use the same so you know it'll be around in the likely (<.00000000001%) chance that you'll need it.
AR for me as well. I was torn between the AK and the AR, but the AR won out for the common .223 round with LE/MIL. I concur with other posters who mentioned that this thread can go anywhere as far as SHTF. For nearly all scenarios, either short or prolonged engagement, I want to make sure I can keep feeding my firearm. AR all the way.

TheClap1
07-12-2009, 11:39 AM
I'd bring:

G21 45 acp
Moss 500
M1 Carbine (Didn't finish my oll)

Federalist
07-12-2009, 2:14 PM
:iagree:

AR-15 (.223/5.56)
Sig P226 (.40)
Remington 870 (12g)

All LEO standard ammo, in case my zombie apocalypse ammo stockpile runs out or I am on the move. (But of course, I also have a H&K USP Compact (9mm) just in case I can only access 9mm.)

professorhard
07-12-2009, 2:16 PM
SOCOM II + G17 + Saiga12

jlh95811
07-12-2009, 4:40 PM
Saiga 7.62x39
XD45 Tactical

Group B
07-12-2009, 5:05 PM
Why didn't you pick a Glock 7 to go with that LMT AR10 Piston?

Because you don't have to pass through metal detectors when SHTF...

THT
07-12-2009, 5:10 PM
I trust my Glocks more than any other firearm in my possession. If limited to long-arms, I'd go with one of my LMT/MEGA carbines.

THT
07-12-2009, 5:11 PM
Because you don't have to pass through metal detectors when SHTF...

Yeah but it costs more than either you or I make in a month.

strangerdude
07-12-2009, 5:13 PM
AK-47 without a doubt Is the best combat gun.

JJ1911
07-12-2009, 5:13 PM
Saiga 7.62X39 is what I'd bring with me. And my XD-40 Tactical as a backup.

kazman
07-12-2009, 5:21 PM
AR-15 and 1911. I'm thinking of picking up one of those personal helicopters too to head to my buddy's place in the hills

M1A Rifleman
07-12-2009, 5:23 PM
M1A/M14 for an auto rifle and an Enfield No.4 MkII for a bolt gun. The others on the list are only marginal in my professional opinion. ;)

jumbopanda
07-12-2009, 5:28 PM
My AK-74, which has not had a single malfunction for 1000+ rounds.

dilligaffrn
07-12-2009, 7:31 PM
.45 ACP 1911a1 or Glock 21 or Glock 17
Rem 870 or Moss 500
Siaga 7.62 X 39 or M4orgery 5.56
.308 or 30-06 bolt

Mac Attack
07-12-2009, 7:47 PM
From your list I would take a shotgun for the main reason that ammo is plentiful and you can hunt ground dwelling as well as flying pry with it. I don't currently own one but I plan to purchase a 870 this year.

However, I would also take my 1911 for two legged predators.

jlh95811
07-12-2009, 7:47 PM
AR-15 and 1911. I'm thinking of picking up one of those personal helicopters too to head to my buddy's place in the hills

It will be too late.
It will be my place by then. :43:

KrizB
07-12-2009, 7:48 PM
Mossberg 500 or Yugo 59/66

I have enough water and food for a couple weeks so I plan on staying indoors for as long as possible.

jlh95811
07-12-2009, 7:50 PM
.45 ACP 1911a1 or Glock 21 or Glock 17
Rem 870 or Moss 500
Siaga 7.64 X 39 or M4orgery 5.56
.308 or 30-06 bolt

Where do you folks get these odd calibers?
7.64x39
7.63x39
7.62x29
and such...

Vtec44
07-12-2009, 7:59 PM
My AR's since I have plenty of ammo and I'm better with them than my AK.

Crusader
07-12-2009, 8:30 PM
Out of those you put on the list, I'd pick the AR-15.

Out of the rifles I own, it'd be my M1 Garand.

Out of any rifle currently available here in CA, it'd be an M1A.

CJN8
07-12-2009, 8:37 PM
1. 03A3 for my bolt gun (30-06)
2. Spikes AR-15 for my carbine (5.56 Nato)
3. Glock 21 for my sidearm (.45 acp)
4. 1/4 Scale navel cannon for the big stuff (1lb lead ball)

bombadillo
07-12-2009, 9:58 PM
I'd take my SKS and my "long range" AR so I posted "other"

fusionstar
07-12-2009, 11:13 PM
AR-15
870
1911

devildog999
07-12-2009, 11:28 PM
AR 15 for sure.

joelukehart
07-13-2009, 12:54 AM
you should get that fixed. ARs don't jam when they're built right.

My Egyptian Ak has jammed twice in about 5000+ rounds. First was a stovepipe and second was after I poured a handful of sand in it. Now if I had a nickel for everytime my Oly CAR15 has malfunctioned.....They are both Reg. AW's. But my AR has gotten better since I've swapped uppers and rebuilt the mags. So my AK is the SHTF gun.

MikeinnLA
07-13-2009, 12:54 AM
I would grab my M1A, Rem 870 and Sig P220. If I had room, I would grab the Mini 14 'cuz I have a mountain of .223 ammo and I would be kicking myself in the *** for never getting around to building an AR to shoot it with.

Mike

SPUTTER
07-13-2009, 1:07 AM
If the SHTF, its gotta be something that will work with minimal maintenance. In a crisis situation, you will have to think about alot more than just maintaining your rifle. You may have to survive in a harsh environment for great lengths of time.
Maybe someone here can do the pepsi challenge and take their ar-15 and ak-47 and dump them in mud, saltwater and whatever else and see which one still functions. :o
My opinion is in a SHTF situation, reliability and low maintenance are at the top of my list

plankowner
07-13-2009, 7:47 AM
I would grab my m1a scout and my glock 23, my gf would have my kimber and my ar definately would have to take the rem 870, still have min 14 , couple sks, moss 590 and another 870 and a few others for the family and hopefully will be able to stay put and hold our own.

Justintoxicated
07-13-2009, 7:54 AM
Whatever I have ammo for.

Lancear15
07-13-2009, 7:58 AM
I voted AR-15 but that's is assuming civil unrest type situation. I would go for my 300 RUM if it was an invasion situation cause sniping is going to be your best chance of resistance w/ survival and better for taking game.

dilligaffrn
07-13-2009, 9:52 AM
Where do you folks get these odd calibers?
7.64x39
7.63x39
7.62x29
and such...

fat fingers and I cuant speell for sheet...LOL

ChrisDM
07-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Whatever I have ammo for.

The most accurate answer in 10 pages...

sholling
07-13-2009, 12:34 PM
The most accurate answer in 10 pages...You don't keep thousands of rounds of each laying around? :eek:

nso1
07-13-2009, 12:47 PM
Ak (saiga for me in CA)
Mossberg 590
Glock 22

All three can be had for less than 1500. I don't know about you guys but economics is a factor for me and three guns for what some people pay for an AR makes sense. If I had to go foot mobile and drop one of the long guns then I would keep the Saiga and my glock

ChrisDM
07-13-2009, 2:53 PM
You don't keep thousands of rounds of each laying around? :eek:

No, too many calibers to choose from...

http://imagineimagery.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p721895196-4.jpg

stix213
07-13-2009, 3:10 PM
My Saiga 7.62x39. 1600+ cheap Russian made wolf and bear rounds with absolutely zero malfunctions. Every trigger pull always without question moves the round from the chamber to whatever is in its way, and often what is behind that as well.

2nd choice would be my brand new Mossberg 500 12ga that I just picked up Saturday. Boy that thing was fun over the weekend! 208 spent shells and counting! And who would have thought throwing an orange in the air and hitting it with some 3" 00 buck shot would be so much fun?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4844/riflej.jpg

God Bless The Mauser
07-13-2009, 4:16 PM
AK, I wish I could trust my Yugo rewelds but I still have some more work do do before they will be SHTF ready but they are almost there. Until then it's my Romanian G. sidearm would be my 1911.

ren
07-13-2009, 5:20 PM
i put AR if i had to evacuate as weight would be a huge concern of mine and carrying a few mags of .223 wouldn't be that bad added to whatever else is in my bag. however if i was staying in the confines of my home, i would choose my mossberg 500.

hawk81
07-13-2009, 6:26 PM
A non california legal ak with a saiga 12 as backup.

slick_711
07-13-2009, 6:30 PM
All you guys that said anything other than an AR15 or 12 ga are going to be up a SHTF creek without a paddle once you go through the ammo you have on your person.

God forbid anything like that ever happened; talking REAL SHTF domestic war type stuff it would be ignorant to use anything other than a rifle for which you can pick up already loaded magazines off the bodies of both your enemies and your allies.

And don't give me that "but I have 5000 rounds BS" lol.

GammaRei
07-13-2009, 6:32 PM
AR, Winchester 1300 Defender, Glock 21, and S&W 629.

- G

God Bless The Mauser
07-13-2009, 6:33 PM
All you guys that said anything other than an AR15 or 12 ga are going to be up a SHTF creek without a paddle once you go through the ammo you have on your person.

God forbid anything like that ever happened; talking REAL SHTF domestic war type stuff it would be ignorant to use anything other than a rifle for which you can pick up already loaded magazines off the bodies of both your enemies and your allies.

And don't give me that "but I have 5000 rounds BS" lol.

Well an AK would be usefull if the chinese invaded.

ChrisDM
07-13-2009, 8:16 PM
All you guys that said anything other than an AR15 or 12 ga are going to be up a SHTF creek without a paddle once you go through the ammo you have on your person.

God forbid anything like that ever happened; talking REAL SHTF domestic war type stuff it would be ignorant to use anything other than a rifle for which you can pick up already loaded magazines off the bodies of both your enemies and your allies.

And don't give me that "but I have 5000 rounds BS" lol.

Your alias wouldn't happen to be Rusty Shackleford would it :)?

b.faust
07-13-2009, 8:28 PM
Something in .223 and .40 since LE and MIL use the same so you know it'll be around in the likely (<.00000000001%) chance that you'll need it.

My thoughts exactly.

Though I'd add a .45 into the mix as I feel that's a pretty common round as well.

1lostinspace
07-13-2009, 8:49 PM
Glocks and AK for me, it also depends on what type of SFTH your talking about, living in the mountains for the rest of my life the AK and glock would be ideal, SHTF like in Urban or somewhere were I need precision then my AR.

If I had to go to an unknown planet an AK is what I would want.

socomIInato
07-13-2009, 9:09 PM
If only ONE firearm, HK91.

ditto:cool:

usmc1488
07-13-2009, 9:30 PM
M14, what Ive used and what I trust. Transition to a 9mm if needed (we didnt get the MEUSOC 1911....)

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4833/ltmuuiscant008.jpg

VegasND
07-13-2009, 9:30 PM
Well an AK would be usefull if the chinese invaded.
Your AK chambers this round??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/5.8x42_mm.jpg

God Bless The Mauser
07-13-2009, 9:44 PM
Your AK chambers this round??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/5.8x42_mm.jpg

I thought they still used AKs.

sonicbuff
07-13-2009, 10:17 PM
I thought they still used AKs.

AK47 = 7.62x39... is the most popular, but is phasing out by the new advanced militaries. The Warsaw is with 5.45. I think Chinese is working on the 5.8, and for us, we're stuck with 5.56.

By the time the Chinese crack troopers have a "Red dawn" on US territories, we might have to face something other than the old 7.62x39. That's when SHTF... :p

nicoroshi
07-13-2009, 10:22 PM
My AK, and my G21SF

Both go 'bang' every time without fail.
Both are super durable, and will run if not cleaned for a while.
Both make nice big holes.
Both I shoot well, and have plenty of ammo for.
Both are easy to carry. (AK has two point sling, and weighs between 5-7lbs. Have a couple of holsters to choose from for the Glock).
(Side note): My AK has everything needed to clean it on the rifle. Cleaning kit in butt stock, and rod under barrel. Could also double for cleaning the Glock.

Heaven forbid that that day ever comes but chance favors the prepared.

Meety Peety
07-13-2009, 10:41 PM
Out of what I own, the most practical would be the Ar15, 1911, and taurus 605. 870 would be optional, depending on the circumstances. I'm assuming this would be on foot, so with a rifle, sidearm and last ditch wheelgun.. on top of a BOB and other supplies, the extra long arm would solely depend on whether or not I had the option to take it via another person or vehicle etc.

GoingPro
07-13-2009, 11:31 PM
we need to start a SHTF forum and maybe plan something out so we can all stick together.

JTROKS
07-13-2009, 11:59 PM
More than likely I'll be toting the Robinson Arms M96 carbine. This thing is like an AK in the reliability section and the accuracy is much better than an AK giving 1.5 to 2 inch groups at 100 yards with the ammo it likes. Since I won't have any parts to support it with, I'll keep the AR15 close by, then the AKs will be stashed for future use in case the ARs break too.

4thSBCT
07-14-2009, 12:44 AM
i know most of the people on calguns are AR nuts but I can't believe how many would trust their life with it. The AK gets my vote hands down

ErikTheRed
07-14-2009, 1:33 AM
Well I don't own an AR, so I guess I'd be a gonner. I suppose I might try defending my family with any one of my other 15 guns, but it would be futile. Right, AR owners?

:rolleyes:

thebullet
07-14-2009, 1:52 AM
we need to start a SHTF forum and maybe plan something out so we can all stick together.

+1....

Ruiner
07-14-2009, 1:56 AM
Well I don't own an AR, so I guess I'd be a gonner. I suppose I might try defending my family with any one of my other 15 guns, but it would be futile. Right, AR owners?

:rolleyes:

Where did you get that from? :rolleyes: Nobody is saying any other gun besides an AR would be futile. Out of all the guns in my collection, I would pick *MY* AR because 1. *I* put it together using quality parts that are less likely to fail. 2. I have lots of ammo for it. 3. I have lots of spare parts for it incase it needs to be serviced. 4. Most importantly, its the one I train with and use the most. I could easily choose any other gun I have as I'm certain they would work, but I don't have that much ammo for them so that makes them not ideal for SHTF in *MY* case.

Scratch705
07-14-2009, 2:38 AM
i chose AK just for the sheer fact that it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

it may not win any accuracy tournaments or looks contest, but when SHTF, i rather have a gun that will keep going even when its been in dirt.

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 7:34 AM
I can't believe people chose a bolt action rifle?!

KrizB
07-14-2009, 7:51 AM
Some of those bolt rifle guys using Irons or a Scout set up can be scary fast and accurate, I wouldn't count them out.

Just my .02

JTROKS
07-14-2009, 8:25 AM
I can't believe people chose a bolt action rifle?!

If everyone of my family members carry at least an AR/AK believe me there will be one bolt gun, Rem 700 PSS in 308, with a high power scope we're keeping handy with enough ammo. More than likely all the bolt guns in the safe will come with us if we have to leave for higher grounds. Who said you can only have one rifle?

surfNshoot
07-14-2009, 8:38 AM
Not a hard decision for me. 10 rounds of .223 with a locked mag vs. 7+1 of 12ga various loads that I can reload on the fly. I'll reach for my 870 every time (in the state of CA.)

sonicbuff
07-14-2009, 8:44 AM
I can't believe people chose a bolt action rifle?!

A shot well placed is another day longer than a whole magazine well missed. ;)

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 8:57 AM
A shot well placed is another day longer than a whole magazine well missed. ;)

Uhh... you make it sound like 30 round AR15 or 20 round M1A can't place a shot "well".

I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or anything but it just doesn't make sense to have a bolt action rifle in a SHTF situation.

Might as well go for a black powder flint lock rifle while you're at it? They're also extremely accurate! ;)

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 9:00 AM
If everyone of my family members carry at least an AR/AK believe me there will be one bolt gun, Rem 700 PSS in 308, with a high power scope we're keeping handy with enough ammo. More than likely all the bolt guns in the safe will come with us if we have to leave for higher grounds. Who said you can only have one rifle?

Hehe if we can carry everything we have I get it... my assumption was we get to have whatever we can carry. :) I'm a pretty big dude and can run/walk/hike with the best of them... but I seriously don't think I'd want to carry TWO rifles any distance along with different types of ammo.

I too get the Rem 700 PSS for the long range stuff. But it's limited to that... long range.

sonicbuff
07-14-2009, 9:22 AM
Uhh... you make it sound like 30 round AR15 or 20 round M1A can't place a shot "well".

I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or anything but it just doesn't make sense to have a bolt action rifle in a SHTF situation.

Might as well go for a black powder flint lock rifle while you're at it? They're also extremely accurate! ;)

It's not that one can be less efficient with an auto loader. It's just that some folks are trained well with a particular rifle and can do a better job with it.

Just like some photographers who still prefer film over digital, 'cause it's become an art rather than science. ;)

bootcamp
07-14-2009, 9:24 AM
Alright guys, i'm going to throw the most infamous question out there nobody wants to answer publicly. This if for the AR OLL crowd. Given a real "red dawn style invasion or civil war or mass terrorist invasion", who would still rock the 10 rounders w/bb and who would convert and switch to quick release 30-40 rounders? I'm not looking for the MMG guys' replies. I'm looking for the regular pistol grip guys' replies!

If no replies, i'll assume this is an unspoken word. lol

sugi942
07-14-2009, 9:28 AM
If I only had one to choose it would be an AR/M4.

sonicbuff
07-14-2009, 9:34 AM
Alright guys, i'm going to throw the most infamous question out there nobody wants to answer publicly. This if for the AR OLL crowd. Given a real "red dawn style invasion or civil war or mass terrorist invasion", who would still rock the 10 rounders w/bb and who would convert and switch to quick release 30-40 rounders? I'm not looking for the MMG guys' replies. I'm looking for the regular pistol grip guys' replies!

If no replies, i'll assume this is an unspoken word. lol

I'd depends on the situation. I'd uphold the laws and comply to the 10-round restriction. However, when my life and/or my family are at high risk from SHTF, then who would give a damn about the BB.

Do they have 58 DA offices in hell ? :rofl2:

surfNshoot
07-14-2009, 9:53 AM
Alright guys, i'm going to throw the most infamous question out there nobody wants to answer publicly. This if for the AR OLL crowd. Given a real "red dawn style invasion or civil war or mass terrorist invasion", who would still rock the 10 rounders w/bb and who would convert and switch to quick release 30-40 rounders? I'm not looking for the MMG guys' replies. I'm looking for the regular pistol grip guys' replies!

If no replies, i'll assume this is an unspoken word. lol


I will stay legal. I can't help people if i'm in jail.

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 10:19 AM
Ok.. realistically... if we're getting invaded by another country...(I don't know how in the world this is even remotely possible, unless all of Europe decided to come after us... or Red China... all of which is politically and economically impossible) i SERIOUSLY doubt LEO is going to care what we're using.

If there are a million commie troops walking through our cities... all gun rules go bye bye, it's about survival and the protection of our country and families.

I think the firearm laws that are in place are for our protection(this word is loosely used being that I don't agree with 90% of the firearm laws but I do follow them) from each other not against foreign enemies.

Outside of that specific situation, I'm 100% legal.

JTROKS
07-14-2009, 10:24 AM
My ARs and AR10 are equipped with these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUvQo4ZrB-k

surfNshoot
07-14-2009, 10:36 AM
Ok.. realistically... if we're getting invaded by another country...(I don't know how in the world this is even remotely possible, unless all of Europe decided to come after us... or Red China... all of which is politically and economically impossible) i SERIOUSLY doubt LEO is going to care what we're using.

If there are a million commie troops walking through our cities... all gun rules go bye bye, it's about survival and the protection of our country and families.

I think the firearm laws that are in place are for our protection(this word is loosely used being that I don't agree with 90% of the firearm laws but I do follow them) from each other not against foreign enemies.

Outside of that specific situation, I'm 100% legal.

If we are being invaded by another country I will be joining the Military and using Military weapons. If they ask me to bring my guns I will. Correct me if i'm wrong but if you are active military you can get a letter that says you are exempt from the AW laws. Then I would swap the bullet button out and reach for the 30 rounders. Now don't get me wrong. If it is to much confusion to go through this process and lives are at stake. I'll do what I have to do and ask for forgiveness later.

kalguns
07-14-2009, 10:46 AM
M39 long range
AK mid range
G20 up close

NRAhighpowershooter
07-14-2009, 10:59 AM
M1 Garand............:cool:

1911su16b870
07-14-2009, 11:03 AM
My ARs and AR10 are equipped with these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUvQo4ZrB-k

Now that is a sweet setup.

God Bless The Mauser
07-14-2009, 11:18 AM
Alright guys, i'm going to throw the most infamous question out there nobody wants to answer publicly. This if for the AR OLL crowd. Given a real "red dawn style invasion or civil war or mass terrorist invasion", who would still rock the 10 rounders w/bb and who would convert and switch to quick release 30-40 rounders? I'm not looking for the MMG guys' replies. I'm looking for the regular pistol grip guys' replies!

If no replies, i'll assume this is an unspoken word. lol

That stupid law isn't worth my life :)

johnthomas
07-14-2009, 11:22 AM
I can't believe people chose a bolt action rifle?!

If that is all you have, it is the best you have. It beats throwing rocks or tying your pocket knife to the end of a long stick.

johnthomas
07-14-2009, 11:25 AM
That stupid law isn't worth my life :)

In a SHTF scenario, all bets are off, all laws are mute.

rolly
07-14-2009, 11:36 AM
my 700 in .308 (with aics 2.0) and my S&W 357 Mag

JTROKS
07-14-2009, 11:46 AM
In a SHTF scenario, all bets are off, all laws are mute.

I hear you, but common sense in our state or federal government is sometimes lacking. SHTF scenario may not last forever, government will reinstate itself - hopefully our own. Existing laws will still stand and all those videos of someone with an AR or AK with 30+ round mags will surface in some form of youtube showing how much of warrior this person is. Whooops, will the law prosecute or what? During the LA riots of the 90s how many of those armed folks protecting their properties ended being investigated for a possible homicide in that area and how many videos are available of these citizens shooting out into the crowd? Just my 2 bits.

Sheepdog1968
07-14-2009, 11:49 AM
Was talking in detail with a friend about this over the weekend.

If I am staying put in my house, it would be a Mossberg 590 shotgun with a Sig 220 back up.

If it were at my friends place on 17 acres and we weren't going to walk much, it would be an M1A in 308 Win. Also would carry a Sig220 as backup.

If it were the kind of situation where I had to walk a great deal, it would be a .223 over a .308 due to weight of firearm and the number of rounds I could carry for a given weight. I'd go with the lightest .223 possible. A few extra pounds in weight reduction on a rilfe makes a huge difference. Also carry a Sig 220 as back up.

If the situation were one where I needed to go outside such as a big earthquake or other natural disaster and be around many people but not likely have a specific threat or low risk of any serious danger, then I'd want something I could conceal that would be small and light. It would be a pistol and likley a Glock 27 in 40 cal.

surfNshoot
07-14-2009, 11:55 AM
I hear you, but common sense in our state or federal government is sometimes lacking. SHTF scenario may not last forever, government will reinstate itself - hopefully our own. Existing laws will still stand and all those videos of someone with an AR or AK with 30+ round mags will surface in some form of youtube showing how much of warrior this person is. Whooops, will the law prosecute or what? During the LA riots of the 90s how many of those armed folks protecting their properties ended being investigated for a possible homicide in that area and how many videos are available of these citizens shooting out into the crowd? Just my 2 bits.

I'll have to agree with you. I would consider heavy riots as a SHTF situation. The police/Military will get it under control eventually. I don't think they would care for my "well my life was in danger" excuse.

I was typing this then saw you had almost the same response.

usmcchet9296
07-14-2009, 12:03 PM
If the Sh1t hits the fan laws be damned ... I have full intentions to be the top of the food chain.

Have a nice Day :)

JTROKS
07-14-2009, 1:03 PM
I'll have to agree with you. I would consider heavy riots as a SHTF situation. The police/Military will get it under control eventually. I don't think they would care for my "well my life was in danger" excuse.

I was typing this then saw you had almost the same response.

I'm glad you see the difference between the levels of SHTF scenarios we can face. I'm also aware that during riots the rage coming from the rioters have to be subdued with equal or greater force, but we shouldn't behave like lawless animals. It will be difficult when some low life scum is out to destroy or hurt everything you love and worked for, but if the SHTF does happen our purpose should be to establish some form of civilized government. With all the talk about Dec 21, 2012, I agree with working together to have some form of contacts just in case this happens. This will be incorporated in cooperation with the government, unless FEMA start confiscating arms again.

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 2:20 PM
If that is all you have, it is the best you have. It beats throwing rocks or tying your pocket knife to the end of a long stick.

lol good point

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 2:28 PM
I hear you, but common sense in our state or federal government is sometimes lacking. SHTF scenario may not last forever, government will reinstate itself - hopefully our own. Existing laws will still stand and all those videos of someone with an AR or AK with 30+ round mags will surface in some form of youtube showing how much of warrior this person is. Whooops, will the law prosecute or what? During the LA riots of the 90s how many of those armed folks protecting their properties ended being investigated for a possible homicide in that area and how many videos are available of these citizens shooting out into the crowd? Just my 2 bits.

The situation was difficult. I remember it quite clearly being that my family's business was in the middle of it all. The police were over run and simply couldn't do anything to stop the rampant crime wave. Criminals were shooting anyone with a uniform on. Pretty tragic. My buddy who was a fire fighter got shot twice... just for having on his fire fighter uniform trying to put out fires.

The government didn't step in so store owners had no choice but to defend themselves by all means necessary.

The government got involved AFTER everything was burned down and AFTER rioters had their fill of free loot.

It's hard to prosecute people that were doing the best they could to defend their property and life when the government they elected didn't lift a finger to help.

What a sad time that was. :(

I hear you when you worry about videos and being prosecuted... but man... what else could you do?

JTROKS
07-14-2009, 2:31 PM
I was stationed in March AFB during the LA riots and we were warned not to enter the effected area. My military I.D. got me through and I dropped off some ammo for relatives. Thank God they didn't have to use it.

caoboy
07-14-2009, 2:38 PM
My .22 rifle. I don't think that I'll need to out-range someone, and it's got enough knockdown power for small game and to incapacitate someone that is a danger to me. accurate up to 150 yds...if you see someone running towards you at that distance, you'd have enough time to de-escalate the situation, or take them out.

MissionMTMan
07-14-2009, 3:01 PM
Forest and Mountain Warefare: AR 15 with can
Desert Warefare: AK 47 with can
Urban environment: AK 47 with can (AK penetrates walls and cinder blocks)

Side arm would be my SIG 1911. You won't get up after being hit by a 45.

McCrown
07-14-2009, 3:44 PM
If I'm all alone then Saiga 223

But more than likely w/ my wife we will both be carrying ARs

HK Dave
07-14-2009, 3:54 PM
I was stationed in March AFB during the LA riots and we were warned not to enter the effected area. My military I.D. got me through and I dropped off some ammo for relatives. Thank God they didn't have to use it.

I'm glad your relatives were safe. :)

slick_711
07-17-2009, 8:28 PM
i know most of the people on calguns are AR nuts but I can't believe how many would trust their life with it. The AK gets my vote hands down

I've put thousands of rounds down the pipes of multiple M4s and AR15s, I've never had a malfunction that immediate action wouldn't correct, and I've rarely had to use immediate action. Furthermore, I'm not a boy conscript fighting in a 3rd world country, I'm a trained warrior. Not implying I'm some high speed SOCOM guy, that I am certainly not. But I know how to maintain my weapons. I'll take the advantages of an AR knowing I'll have to maintain it over the disadvantages of an AK just so I don't have to clean it any day of the year. Furthermore, part of the reason I suggest an AR is (God forbid the day came) that there would be mags everywhere. There would be rifles everywhere too... how hard would it be to find parts or just pick up a new one? :rolleyes:


In a SHTF scenario, all bets are off, all laws are mute.

I believe the word you are looking for is moot. "All laws would be moot." Sorry to correct you, that particular word is just a pet peeve of mine. :o

StoneRoots
07-18-2009, 12:26 AM
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This:gunsmilie:

And an AK for getting out there.


^^^i would love to see what an intruder would look like after 30 shells absorbed in under 4sec

chsk9
07-18-2009, 1:27 AM
If we are talking L.A. riots part duex, then I would opt for "other" which would be a Rottweiler, with a 12 GA (Benelli or 870) as backup. On the 3rd day of the riots I was at my parents home when a old chevy impala with 4 guys who were shall we say, "not from my hood" drove in the driveway. My Rottweiler gave them a "I think you must be at the wrong house" greeting and they took off down the street. I ended up leaving my 12 GA. and a box of #4 buck with the parents in case they returned. They must have found a softer target.

GoingPro
07-18-2009, 1:29 AM
If we are talking L.A. riots part duex, then I would opt for "other" which would be a Rottweiler, with a 12 GA (Benelli or 870) as backup. On the 3rd day of the riots I was at my parents home when a old chevy impala with 4 guys who were shall we say, "not from my hood" drove in the driveway. My Rottweiler gave them a "I think you must be at the wrong house" greeting and they took off down the street. I ended up leaving my 12 GA. and a box of #4 buck with them in case they returned. They must have found a softer target.

nice :cool2:

Scratch705
07-18-2009, 2:17 AM
If we are talking L.A. riots part duex, then I would opt for "other" which would be a Rottweiler, with a 12 GA (Benelli or 870) as backup. On the 3rd day of the riots I was at my parents home when a old chevy impala with 4 guys who were shall we say, "not from my hood" drove in the driveway. My Rottweiler gave them a "I think you must be at the wrong house" greeting and they took off down the street. I ended up leaving my 12 GA. and a box of #4 buck with them in case they returned. They must have found a softer target.

if part 2 ever happens of the LA Riots... we are blocking off my neighborhood if it reaches this far out. since it is a cul-de-sac we would only need to cover the opening of the street for major incursions, and probably nightly patrols around the neighborhood to make sure they aren't jumping in from the street next to us.

only downside is... i think i'm the only gun owner on this street so its going to be hard to hold down the fort so to say.

sonicbuff
07-18-2009, 3:33 AM
if part 2 ever happens of the LA Riots... we are blocking off my neighborhood if it reaches this far out. since it is a cul-de-sac we would only need to cover the opening of the street for major incursions, and probably nightly patrols around the neighborhood to make sure they aren't jumping in from the street next to us.

only downside is... i think i'm the only gun owner on this street so its going to be hard to hold down the fort so to say.

Build your own army !!! Train them now.... ;)

gcvt
07-18-2009, 4:57 AM
In my home - 12g

On the streets - AR-15

.40 backup in both scenarios

KrizB
07-18-2009, 4:59 AM
Build your own army !!! Train them now...

"The one with the rifle shoots, the one without follows him. When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following, picks up the rifle and shoots!"
:saddam:

luchador768
07-18-2009, 5:02 AM
I think the firearm laws that are in place are for our protection(this word is loosely used being that I don't agree with 90% of the firearm laws but I do follow them) from each other not against foreign enemies.


I respectfully disagree with you here HK Dave. Most firearms laws have been forced upon us by greedy corrupt legislators with a deep hatred of guns in general, and an even deeper distrust of the American people. The so-called "assault weapons" ban in the 1990's did NOTHING to stop day to day gun violence, and was solely based on a guns cosmetic features. The country did not fall into anarchy when the useless law sunset. Backround checks etc. do almost nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, because they are, well, criminals. Breaking laws is what they do!
Peter

Scratch705
07-18-2009, 5:08 AM
Build your own army !!! Train them now.... ;)
well i know i can get my next door neighbors to be proficient in arms, but i don't think the rest of the neighborhood can be trained. so at the least there is 5 "shooters", maybe potential for 5 more if i train them when the time comes.

only downside... there is no way i can afford to keep 10 firearms + ammo.... haha. unless i go surplus arms and keep to 1 ammo type.

sonicbuff
07-18-2009, 12:02 PM
well i know i can get my next door neighbors to be proficient in arms, but i don't think the rest of the neighborhood can be trained. so at the least there is 5 "shooters", maybe potential for 5 more if i train them when the time comes.

only downside... there is no way i can afford to keep 10 firearms + ammo.... haha. unless i go surplus arms and keep to 1 ammo type.

We're not talking about a prolong military operation. We just need to hold off the zombies until they can re-establish laws and order.

A trained grandpa with a rifle and 10-rounder can hold off a squad of zombies for a while. Zombies are lazy and more clever than we thought. They're not going to risk their bloodless lives dealing with armed vigilantes.

chickenfried
07-18-2009, 12:09 PM
My fists of iron and buns of steel.

i was just wondering what everyone would depend their life on if a SHTF scenario were to happen. .

sholling
07-18-2009, 1:14 PM
We're not talking about a prolong military operation. We just need to hold off the zombies until they can re-establish laws and order.

A trained grandpa with a rifle and 10-rounder can hold off a squad of zombies for a while. Zombies are lazy and more clever than we thought. They're not going to risk their bloodless lives dealing with armed vigilantes.
This is the joy of living in a small town out in the middle of nowhere. The upside of being 20 miles from a freeway, being 40 miles from the nearest significant population of wannabe zombies, and 100 miles from serious zombies. ;)

Everyone has to keep their location and physical condition in mind when thinking through SHTF. It's easy for me - hunker down with a decent supply of food and water. In my case a 60 day supply of food and 30 days of water and I'm good to go. At the other extreme are those facing the prospect of nuclear terrorism at say the port of Long Beach. They would have to flee nuclear fallout along with 11,000,000 panic stricken sheeple and 100,000 zombies. All the while dealing with bottlenecks cased by too few exits from the area and with cars breaking down in traffic, and massive days-long traffic jams - while those 100,000 zombies are preying on the sheeple.

In the middle you just have someone well prepared with a 2 week supply of food and water at home. Plus a bug-out-bag/backpack for each family member. Each containing 3 days worth of food, a week's worth of shorts and socks, 2 weeks worth of prescription medicines, a small first aid kit and mom & dad's pack having space for a pistol, a breakdown long gun (2 halves of an AR15 or shotgun?) and at least 200rds of handgun and long gun ammo. It's not like you're going to be walking around with a slung AK47 after an earthquake but it's important to have enough firepower handy to persuade any zombies to look for other/easier prey if fleeing nuclear terrorism. Everyone should think though more than what guns they have or want and integrate what they have or want into a couple of contingency plans.

JTROKS
07-18-2009, 1:23 PM
if part 2 ever happens of the LA Riots... we are blocking off my neighborhood if it reaches this far out. since it is a cul-de-sac we would only need to cover the opening of the street for major incursions, and probably nightly patrols around the neighborhood to make sure they aren't jumping in from the street next to us.

only downside is... i think i'm the only gun owner on this street so its going to be hard to hold down the fort so to say.

I'm just glad my neighbor decided to buy a few OLLs AK and ARs. One sight of me and him with our families each having OLLs will discourage would be opportunists. Actually mine are RAWs so high cap and regular mag release will be the norm.

chsk9
07-18-2009, 2:17 PM
"The one with the rifle shoots, the one without follows him. When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following, picks up the rifle and shoots!"
:saddam:

Russian conscript doctrine... might not work so well in the land of the free!
He could get to know the neighbors and invite them shooting.

Scratch705
07-18-2009, 5:53 PM
Russian conscript doctrine... might not work so well in the land of the free!
He could get to know the neighbors and invite them shooting.

not really. i think there was about 80% of the houses here with obama signs up during election.... so :(

well either way, hopefully our distance from the LA City will be a factor and we won't get any rioting/looting here. I just need to get more arms so everyone in the family can have 1 and maybe a few for neighbors.

and i think the off-track posting is done? hahaha

$imple
07-18-2009, 6:06 PM
HK USP 9mm

4thSBCT
07-18-2009, 9:49 PM
I've put thousands of rounds down the pipes of multiple M4s and AR15s, I've never had a malfunction that immediate action wouldn't correct, and I've rarely had to use immediate action. Furthermore, I'm not a boy conscript fighting in a 3rd world country, I'm a trained warrior. Not implying I'm some high speed SOCOM guy, that I am certainly not. But I know how to maintain my weapons. I'll take the advantages of an AR knowing I'll have to maintain it over the disadvantages of an AK just so I don't have to clean it any day of the year. Furthermore, part of the reason I suggest an AR is (God forbid the day came) that there would be mags everywhere. There would be rifles everywhere too... how hard would it be to find parts or just pick up a new one? :rolleyes:




I thought we were talking about SHTF, not how well your AR performs in normal everyday life. I've kept my ARs white glove ready when I was an infantrymen and had it jam or misfire with the first rounds of ammo it didnt like. When SHTF I want a rifle that will shoot any and all ammo I feed it and I want a rifle that can take a licking and keep on ticking, not hunt for spare parts as soon as it breaks. AK reliability trumps the small difference in accuracy. Also, I think the term you were looking for was Remedial action not immediate action.

sd1023x
07-18-2009, 11:19 PM
Would feel safe with AK type, preferrably in .223, as long as it'll shoot straight, need the reliability cuz havng to clean/maintain weapon is probably gonna be the last thing on my list...after water, food and my perimeter!:chris:

Couldn't rock an AR, dunno when/if i'll come by a extractor upgrade kit. :smilielol5:

I jest I jest!:notworthy:

JagerTroop
07-18-2009, 11:32 PM
I'd be reaching for my

P220
bullpup AK
Win. Defender

TonyKat
07-18-2009, 11:42 PM
There's too many scenarios possible to decide on just one firearm to use. I could choose three and those three would be:

-Glock 19
-Remington 870
-AR-15

hooah!

Austin93906
07-24-2009, 3:49 AM
Id go with my mini-14. It chews through anything i give it, and i find it compact enough for use indoors (being the type of guy i am, ive found myself stalkin my house with it unloaded to see how itd handle) XD

Solidsnake87
07-24-2009, 8:27 AM
Bought an M9, never turnin back. Besides, when I have to hand it over to the police after legit use, I'd only be out $600 buck rather than $1300 for my 1911.

LesGrossman41510
09-05-2009, 5:37 PM
in a SHTF the first thing im doing is uninstalling the BB and slapping 30 rounders in everything.

I will probably just use my Ar15 carbine because thats what i have the most magazines and ammo for. I would give my brother or friend my Ruger mini-14. For a pistol i would carry my glock .40 SW. My roomate would be the shotgunner with his Benelli Supernova. We would be a little mini fire team.


If i could choose any gun though, i would probably rock a HK416 and some Glocks with 32 round clips for sidearms. I would let my team members carry the ARs.

Jonathan Doe
09-05-2009, 5:52 PM
If SHTF, I know where the one gun I like to have is located. It is marked "AR-15 Commando" with 10 1/2" barrel and collapsable stock, with 3 position selector.:cool:

This is another option:
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq263/5topgun/TacticalsetSmall.jpg

Fantasma
09-05-2009, 5:56 PM
AK just for the simple fact that its time tested, reliable, powerful, portable, its just perfect for SHTF.

Rob454
09-05-2009, 7:49 PM
I would take my

ruger P90 .45 cal
Mossberg 500
SKS yugo

Ruger P85 9mm ( total back up gun

As much as i would love to depend on my m14 Poly I feel better with the SKS cause i have a ton more ammo for it and it just seems more reliable right now. I just haven't gotten to the point where I shot the m14 so I dont know much about how it shoots yet
Rob

LesGrossman41510
09-05-2009, 8:47 PM
AK just for the simple fact that its time tested, reliable, powerful, portable, its just perfect for SHTF.

Yea if i had an AK that would definately be my SHTF gun.

socomIInato
09-05-2009, 8:54 PM
WTF no HK91! this poll is flawed!

J_Rock
09-05-2009, 10:15 PM
WTF no HK91! this poll is flawed!

Seriously, I can't believe theres no option for the .50AE DEAGLE in this poll.

cbn620
09-05-2009, 10:19 PM
Basically I'd trust any of the ones listed in the poll. I voted 12 gauge though, since the Mossberg 500 is my go-to-gun for home defense or in the event of civil unrest. I've yet to have to use it for either and hope I never have to, but I'm comfortable with my choice. AK-47 would be my second choice.

Rob454
09-05-2009, 10:42 PM
Sorry I have to disagree.
Simply HAVING/Being SEEN with a weapon even the best weapons doesn't mean that a few highly trained or lucky people wont shoot you dead. All it takes is one bullet to hit you. if that bullet is fired from a old *** mosin or a brand new AR makes no difference. Do you and your neighbor train with your families on what to do. NOT just talk about it but actually go out and make scenarios and train? if you don't then you need to. its one thing to be decked out in full on tactical gear with a tactical AR but thats fine and dandy until you get shot at. THATS when training comes into play and if you had none then you need to start
I would personally look into getting to be really good at shooting the guns I have currently rather than taking a unfamiliar weapon with me.

Napalm Bulldog
09-06-2009, 12:50 AM
Ak/ and XD 45

tophatjones
09-06-2009, 1:12 AM
Honestly, if the S really did HTF, and you survived (let's get real here), there will be plenty of guns to choose from.

If we're talking about a temp situation like Katrina, having any firearm and the right tactics/preparation/mindset is far more important than having a hi speed low drag rifle and no plan.

RecceGroup
09-06-2009, 9:22 AM
SHTF situation? Whatever I have immediately available, with ammo, that goes bang

Red Dawn Situiation? Protecting your country will override any and all gun laws. If you are in the streets firing your weapon at an invading force I am quite certain you are good to go.


My Egyptian Ak has jammed twice in about 5000+ rounds. First was a stovepipe and second was after I poured a handful of sand in it. Now if I had a nickel for everytime my Oly CAR15 has malfunctioned.....They are both Reg. AW's. But my AR has gotten better since I've swapped uppers and rebuilt the mags. So my AK is the SHTF gun.

Dude, you poured sand into you AK...? Aaaaaaagh!!!

Gunsrruss
09-06-2009, 9:53 AM
Of course firing in the streets will still be illegal:confused: The Calif Libs will welcome the invader:eek: Therefore making your jester of saving the republic futile:mad:

RecceGroup
09-06-2009, 10:11 AM
Of course firing in the streets will still be illegal The Calif Libs will welcome the invader Therefore making your jester of saving the republic futile

Ummm yeah I know that...

Thats my point. If you are in a situation where you are fighting off an invading force....the legalities of where you discharge your weapon, BBs, mag capacity etc... are even too ridiculous to consider. Remember, they said it was a "Red Dawn" type scenario.

If you are worried about firearms laws duing an invasion or have no desire to save you country, please stay away from my AO.

:D


Recce (http://www.reccegroup.com)

Manic Moran
09-06-2009, 10:46 AM
If it weren't for the fact that my FAL is Army Surplus, and thus probably a little worn, I'd go with that as my indestructable, do-anything rifle.

However, it is a little worn, so I'd need to choose between the AXR and the SIG556. Very tough choice. Fortunately, they're both small, (Compared to the FAL) so I'd take both.

NTM

justinLB
09-06-2009, 12:01 PM
I would choose my AK over my Stag AR and Tikka 30-06

Josh3239
09-06-2009, 12:28 PM
As I said in the last thread like this, I'll take an AR15 on any day that ends in Y.

SilverSalmon
10-03-2009, 5:16 PM
I think everyone preparing for a SHTF moment where the the govt will reinstall itself is hilarious. If the govt restablished peace and order it isn't a True SHTF situation to me and I'll would just wait it out at home. I'm preparing for when there will be not reestablishment of civil order. That's called peak oil.

swerv512
10-03-2009, 5:19 PM
Glock 21 and a HK91 (in my dreams...)

D53
10-03-2009, 5:23 PM
One or all my glocks
AK
870

Low-Pressure
10-03-2009, 5:28 PM
Sig 220
Remington 870
AR15

BB63Squid
10-03-2009, 5:30 PM
M-14
Colt 1911 70 series
Remington 870

sevensix2x51
10-03-2009, 5:33 PM
As I said in the last thread like this, I'll take an AR15 on any day that ends in Y.

that's why the garand won the war in germany. none of the days end in y over there. :D (i realize this post is a month old, just too funny[in my warped mind] not to mention)

id take my m1a's or mini-14 over my ar any day, in all reality, id take both m1a and mini-14, if i had a means of conveyance. if not, id just post up with the m1's on my roof, so i don't have to carry thousands of ammo cartridges all over the place...

Dragunov
10-03-2009, 5:39 PM
I have SKSs and an SU-16.

B Strong
10-03-2009, 5:58 PM
M1 Tanker in 7.62, or M1A scout/squad.

Ithaca 37 DSPS or M1 Super 90.

1911 Government Model in .45 or HK USP Expert in .45.

fliparch
10-03-2009, 6:06 PM
I'm still voting for my wonderful AR.

Have you guys seen Zombieland?!! I could see the initial gut reaction of picking a shotgun but I don't want my zombies to get THAT close to me. I prefer taking them down a hundred yards away with my scope and then switch to my BUIS when then get closer and IF they get up close and personal...RULE #4 "Double Tap" with my Sig 229.

bigstick61
10-04-2009, 12:02 AM
For me it would be my Lee-Enfield No. 5 MkI as my primary arm and as my defensive/secondary arm I would use my FM Hi-Power. If I was travelling with my pack, my Mossberg 590SP would be attached to it via a sheath; if it was readily accessible, there are things the shotgun could also be useful for, but I would not carry it if I was not using a pack and it was not necessry or convenient.

I really don't see what a lot of people have against the use of a bolt-action for SHTF scenarios. A good bolt rifle, especially one designed for military use, can do almost any job a self-loading or select-fire rifle can just as well, if you know how to use it, and can do thngs a carbine may not be able to. With practice, you can maintain a similar rate of accurate fire as can be had with self-loaders. The only area I really see a potential disadvantage is in CQB when you are facing multiple opponents and don't have someone to engage the others, especially if your boltwork could use improvement. You can also carry a decent amount of ammo. My kit has universal mag pouches with a full bandolier in each, and another can be worn slung and ready.

SPUTTER
10-04-2009, 12:19 AM
I trust my two fists.

JTROKS
10-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Robinson Arms M96 Carbine first choice, DPMS 16" - 2nd, Colt HBar - 3rd, NHM 90 and 91 - 4th. I have nothing against bolt actions, in fact it's a must have for precision and hunting big game work. For defending what little turf I got I'd probably grab the Mossbergs loaded with #4s and 00buck.

Greg-Dawg
10-04-2009, 12:45 AM
AR15 and my Glock Fo-tays.

farmerjoe
10-04-2009, 12:56 AM
M1A
H&K 45

JohnZ
10-04-2009, 6:20 AM
Mini 14
Glock 21
Rem 870

Beelzy
10-04-2009, 7:46 AM
1919a4 (for the homefront defense)
1911 (the one I trust my life to)

JMB all the way baby! :patriot:

wellerjohn
10-04-2009, 8:27 AM
The first one I get my hands on.

Noonanda
10-04-2009, 8:34 AM
Long range (400 + Meters) Polytech M-14S, or M-1 Garand, (got alot of ammo for both)
Mid to close in (300 Meters or less) AR-15, AK,

Shotgun Mossberg 500, Pistol Ruger Blackhawk in 45 ACP/45 LC.

Now if this is a TEOTWAWKI scenario, I will also have armed my neighbors that I trust and or friends in the area. So someone comes looking for trouble they will be able to find it

pottymouth310
10-04-2009, 11:07 AM
I got a lot but if I have to put my money on 1 it would be my AR. Its compact, easy to move, good for CQC or long range and most of all "trained" to use it well....
when it comes down to it. it's not just the gun, it's gun + operator = survivability.

IrishPirate
10-04-2009, 11:17 AM
ak hands down. more reliable, more powerful than the AR. accurate enough for the ranges you'd be fighting in. Glock 18 for back up for obvious reasons, and a "pistol grip pump on my lap at all times.."

Fot
10-04-2009, 2:43 PM
All you guys that said anything other than an AR15 or 12 ga are going to be up a SHTF creek without a paddle once you go through the ammo you have on your person.

God forbid anything like that ever happened; talking REAL SHTF domestic war type stuff it would be ignorant to use anything other than a rifle for which you can pick up already loaded magazines off the bodies of both your enemies and your allies.

And don't give me that "but I have 5000 rounds BS" lol.

Well if we are picking up tons of ammo and magazines off the dead wouldn't it be safe to assume we could also pick up tons of AR's also?
Seriously some (note I said some) AR guys get bent way to easy when not everyone picks the AR as the best of the best of the best every time.

den888
10-04-2009, 4:58 PM
AR-15

lineman66
10-04-2009, 5:01 PM
SKS

sspen003
10-04-2009, 5:54 PM
AR 15
1911
Winchester 1300
Kukri sword for up close

Nikola
10-04-2009, 6:36 PM
My personal choice would definitely be the AK in either 7.62 or 5.45. To address the use-5.56-so-you-can-pick-it-up argument, I ask:

What kind of pitched battle do you expect to be in? As a lone rifleman, if I find myself in a situation where I have to run through more than three or four full magazines, I am probably going to die no matter what. Also along those lines, I feel like I would be ok with a heavy personal load of whatever my caliber of choice happens to be. The point is to avoid getting into daily firefights.

Sunwolf
10-04-2009, 7:13 PM
Long range=1903A3
urban= FR-8
CQB=MIA

djack12
10-10-2009, 9:47 PM
I would trust any gun that I owned. All of them have never not gone bang when I pulled the trigger.

5ohguy
10-10-2009, 10:04 PM
M1A scout and 1911. And a good 12 gauge.

Gh0sT
10-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Since we live in the great state of Kalforicapia. There is also a good abundance of military bases (SoCal) within a 120 mile radius.

Thus - if my rilfe were to go short, there is plenty of places to find parts for a good ol AR-15.

J_Rock
10-11-2009, 1:12 AM
If SHTF most of you will probably run around in circles screaming and find religion or something. Some of you will probably bug in with all your guns and ammo but end up dying of dehydration,starvation or a common treatable illness because you spent all your money on guns and ammo instead of food and medical supplies. A small minority of you might think to take supplies by force with your said large amount of ammo and firearms and end up getting shot by the more prepared survivalist. ;)

NineteenElev3n
10-11-2009, 1:39 AM
Glock 21SF
Benelli M4
LWRC M6A2 AR-15

Those are the three I would buy and use! All reliable and low maintenance!

Greg-Dawg
10-22-2009, 11:15 AM
If I find .223, 9mm, 7.62 or .40S&W in bodies...that's the guns I have.

chsk9
10-22-2009, 12:29 PM
If SHTF most of you will probably run around in circles screaming and find religion or something. Some of you will probably bug in with all your guns and ammo but end up dying of dehydration,starvation or a common treatable illness because you spent all your money on guns and ammo instead of food and medical supplies. A small minority of you might think to take supplies by force with your said large amount of ammo and firearms and end up getting shot by the more prepared survivalist. ;)

I'm not sure what this has to do with the OP, but I think he has a very good point!

RAMCHARGER
10-22-2009, 12:29 PM
1) SKS 16" carbine. What can I say. This IS MY "RIFLE"! No ifs ands or buts about it. Never let me down in 20 years. Keep it simple stupid!

2) My Remmy 870. Cuz im good with it! And it shoots POA with slugs and WILL DESTROY ANYTHING that comes accross the bead! And it just feels good in my hand. I can walk the valley of death (usuing proper cover of course).


3) M1 carbine. Great back-up carbine. I have tons of ammo for it. And i couldnt even think about not havining it with me at all times. Put a pistol stock on it and strap it to my back pack. Wont know its there.

Side arm: .357 mag Ruger GP100 and Security six cuz the fastest reload IS another gun.

I'll keep the AR to use any .223 ammo I happen to come accross at the time.

packnrat
10-22-2009, 12:36 PM
I voted other, only due to the place and time of the shtf.

All most always have. Xd40 or pm9 at hand.
At home a 12gauge pump and a ar style rifle (.223) close by.
The truck gun is a chinse sks.

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