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ChrisO
07-08-2009, 8:07 PM
I plan on attending some tactical carbine/pistol classes and need a decent priced LBV that can stand up to some good abuse. I want it to be worn with a plate carrier when need be and SHTF ready any good recommendations guys? Also what about a nice 3 day assault pack or BOB type of deal MOLLE preferably...

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 9:28 PM
Anyone???

kicker72
07-08-2009, 9:33 PM
Eagle CIRAS;) Or if you want a cheap plate carrier CTD carries one. If you want something without plates there are a lot of different brands out there.

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 9:42 PM
I don't want to get a new plate carrier just want it to be compatible with one big enough to wear with one but comfortable and good to go without one...

Jason762
07-08-2009, 9:43 PM
Whatever you get, remember:

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

technique
07-08-2009, 9:47 PM
I have rocked a lot of plate carriers....still haven't found one I want to keep yet...I hate them all. Just try to find something "thin" around the shoulder area.

As for BOB...Eberlestock

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/PhantomandGunslingers.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/pack002.jpg

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 9:47 PM
Thats exactly what I have in mind Jason762 haha Just want a simple durable LBV that's not going to be good to go if need be and will stand up to some rugged classes...

cmace22
07-08-2009, 9:48 PM
Check out SKD tactical, they have some good stuff.

Eagle has a really good line of LBV's plate carriers and chest rigs. Tactical tailor may have why you are looking for too.

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 9:49 PM
It has a built in "drag bag type pocket?" for a long range rifle? this has got to be the winner I'm in love now. Where can I find em for at a good price? Nice Mac Dre Icon haha...

technique
07-08-2009, 9:54 PM
It has a built in "drag bag type pocket?" for a long range rifle? this has got to be the winner I'm in love now. Where can I find em for at a good price? Nice Mac Dre Icon haha...

they get pretty expensive..
Very durable though...the green one I have had for a year or two now..that says a lot!:)
The worst damage is from firing while rested on it...it singed it a bit:43:

They come with a cover to slip over and buckle onto larger rifles where the butt sticks out of the bag pretty far. An M4 with buttstock collapsed slide right in, flush with the top...

Lots of different styles to choose from.

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 9:56 PM
Seems like a sweet set up do they have a website? That is just bada**...

technique
07-08-2009, 10:00 PM
www.eberlestock.com

ChrisO
07-08-2009, 11:24 PM
Thanks technique now lets talk LBV's!!! haha...

AmpedUp
07-08-2009, 11:25 PM
My vote has to go to www.Tacticaltailor.com get yourself a 2 pcs MAV with X-harness, pick the pouches you want and build the set up that works for you, you can wear it as a stand alone or over armor. While you are there you can pick up their 3 day pack also.

Jason762
07-09-2009, 8:48 AM
Thats exactly what I have in mind Jason762 haha Just want a simple durable LBV that's not going to be good to go if need be and will stand up to some rugged classes...

Cool. For what it's worth I run a Shihan rig. It's closest relative would be the Eagle Chest Rig, Universal/SKD Version (http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_Chest_Rig_Universal_SKD_p/eag.567.htm) but still distinctively different.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/Jason762/Shihan-A.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/Jason762/Shihan-D.jpg

These pictures are not mine, and the rigs have been updated slightly since the photos were taken. They fit all kinds of mags (from ARs to AK's and FAL's and most likely M1A's). The pistol pouches fit 2 1911 mags each or 1 full-size G21 mag.

The black thing on the shoulder strap is a non-slip patch and can be reversed if you're a lefty (by unbuckling and switching over the straps).

So far I am very happy with mine. If you're interested, contact me via PM and I'll let you know where to get 'em. $ 145 in black, olive drab, coyote brown, and foliage green and $ 156 for multicam.

aplinker
07-09-2009, 9:01 AM
CG isn't the place to ask this. Go visit lightfighter.

I chose SOTech.

ChrisO
07-09-2009, 9:47 AM
I don't feel like opening a whole new account just ask one question, Jason762 I will send a bit here when I'm of work thanks!

brando
07-09-2009, 11:43 AM
Simple and light is your friend. You're not going to be running radios, tools, frags and whatnot - just mags and first aid. Personally, if you already have a plate carrier I'd suggest just adding a row of mag pouches on the front and a lateral GP pouch on the low back for first aid. Throwing a chest rig over a plate carrier is kind of funky, especially when it makes the most sense to run a plate carrier either stand alone or over a IIIa vest.

Here's what I generally do and what I recommend to most folks who want a versatile setup:

1. Start with a simple chest rig that can carry rifle mags and first aid. You can go with low profile setups like just three open top mags or just three double M4 mag pouches. I like to run these with single mags but have the real estate to carry a full basic load if necessary. I prefer the SKD variant of the Eagle Paul Howe chest rig for this. I place a pair of GP pouches on the ends for first aid and other stuff.

Result: You have a simple chest rig that gives you the basics that you can wear without armor.


2. Next get a IIIa vest, the profile of which depends on how much coverage you want vs mobility. You also have the option of getting a vest that has plate pockets for rifle protection.

Result: You now have a IIIa vest that you can throw a chest rig over easily.


3. Finally get a simple plate carrier and a set of in-conjunction Level III plates and setup the carrier with the basics you would normally have with the chest rig: rifle mag pouches and first aid.

Result: Now you have a plate carrier that you can throw over the IIIa vest for rifle projection.

It's important to understand that most Level III plates are in-conjunction and not designed to be run standalone. This means that they need a IIIa panel between the plate and your body. I personally have a set of IIIa panels cut for my plate carrier that sit behind the plate, adding the option of being able to simply throw the carrier on without the full vest.

The best reason for having a IIIa vest is for fragmentation coverage, but unless you're overseas in a war zone, this isn't much of a threat to expect. The next best reason is pistol caliber protection across a wide area. Some vests are simple front and back, leaving the sides exposed, which is often preferred in hotter climates. You can get more coverage with a BALCS or SPEAR cut, which covers the sides below the arm pits.

Plate carriers are really good when mobility is more important than protection. You get catastrophic rifle protection of vital areas, but generally you're not weighed down nor restricted like you would be with a larger dedicated vest like a RAV or CIRAS. For this reason I don't think it's a good idea to load up a plate carrier like you see with the versions that have the side cummerbund. Though admittedly, a setup like the SOHPC with IIIa lined cummerbund would make for a nice hybrid between running a full vest or a simple plate carrier.

What about pistol mags? I personally subscribe to the "1st Line, 2nd Line" approach to tactical gear. In Iraq I spent a lot of time at different threat postures throughout the day, the most basic just requiring that I have a pistol on me, the next being my carbine as well. For this reason I always had my pistol on a belt with two mags on the weak side. When I needed my carbine it meant we were facing rifle threats, so plates were involved and I threw on a IIIa vest and a plate carrier or just my RAV if we were going heavy. The benefit of this is that I always drew pistol mags from the same location, regardless of what I was wearing. It wasn't "oh, my belt..wait no, my plate carrier."

Now some civies I know like to have a single SHTF rig that has rifle mags, pistol mags and a holster built in. Personally, I think this can be a bit problematic as with most chest rigs, unless you're running a tiny pistol it can easily flop around to a level of annoyance. They work better on stiff surfaces like plate carriers, but then they tend to take up a lot of real estate.

For runnin' and gunnin' at classes you don't have to go crazy with lots of mags, chest mounted holsters, etc. In fact most 3-Gunners use belt mounted mag pouches.

Just my $0.02

ChrisO
07-09-2009, 1:02 PM
I have talked to a couple different firearms instructors in different classes and they all recommend using a LBV. Any good links to a place to snatch up a good plate carrier and IIIA vest? I "most of the time" will run the LBV without plate carrier/vest but there will be times when I do. The pistol holster on LBV is not a necessity.

brando
07-09-2009, 1:11 PM
LBV as in the old Army issue one from the early 90s? There's a difference between a chest rig (common today, but born out of Rhodesia in the 70s) and an LBV. The latter was an update on a Vietnam era design (the trusty LCE) and while you still see vests, particularly in LEO work, they're a bit outdated and impractical when compared to modern gear.

ATS Tactical, SKD Tactical, Grey Group Training, OPTactical are all good sources of gear.

Stockton
07-09-2009, 1:25 PM
Cool. For what it's worth I run a Shihan rig. It's closest relative would be the Eagle Chest Rig, Universal/SKD Version (http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_Chest_Rig_Universal_SKD_p/eag.567.htm) but still distinctively different.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/Jason762/Shihan-A.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/Jason762/Shihan-D.jpg

These pictures are not mine, and the rigs have been updated slightly since the photos were taken. They fit all kinds of mags (from ARs to AK's and FAL's and most likely M1A's). The pistol pouches fit 2 1911 mags each or 1 full-size G21 mag.

The black thing on the shoulder strap is a non-slip patch and can be reversed if you're a lefty (by unbuckling and switching over the straps).

So far I am very happy with mine. If you're interested, contact me via PM and I'll let you know where to get 'em. $ 145 in black, olive drab, coyote brown, and foliage green and $ 156 for multicam.

This "type" of rig will suit your class. All that other stuff is if you have plans beyond the course. Hell you could probably get away with a drop leg that holds 4mags. And it can be found from blackhawk,eagle,tag,or some airsoft company. If its just for the class then don't get caught up in the hype. Spend your money on ammo for the course and afterwards.

technique
07-09-2009, 6:51 PM
This is my old vest...I liked it. I only needed it because a class I was taking required a carrier and plates.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/chestrig001.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/chestrig002.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/chestrig003.jpg

This one I have now is alright but I wish it was MOLLE and adaptable. It just has 3 mag pouches in front (I don't like mags in front) but is simple, holds either AK or AR mags...its a Eagle.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/zstuff003.jpg